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I'm not sure about most, but it's certainly not unheard of. I tired of both federal Conservative governments (during my time) well before their ends - and all Liberal governments before they even began.

Sunny Ways seems to be annoying more and more people than even I expected lately, though, as they wake up. He'll be down to the last diehard Kardashian-groupie-types soon.

He may get a second term. I'd not bet either way right now. He'll not last as long as Trudeau I, though
 
The ultimate test of sustainability is NOT debt to GDP or any other of those fancy financial twists.  It is simply whether a citizen has cash in his pocket on the day before payday.  Because it is that citizen who pays the bills in one way or another and in the last year the cash left in my pocket has dwindled alarmingly.  So this government is a bust. It is overspending on things that we don't need and didn't ask for (gifts to foreign nationals) and bringing in immigrants at a faster rate than our economy can absorb.  Meanwhile his cohort here in Ontario has made it so there are no low end starting jobs for all these misplaced persons so we pay again.  Say what you like about Harper but he built a solid financial foundation. (full stop)  And yes, Trudeau has out and out lied to the vets.  As for the pipeline, if he had come out and told BC that their conditions were unacceptable I would have had more hope but Kinder Morgan is not about to build a pipeline that they can't pump gas through.
 
Loachman said:
Further to my previous post: "The debt compounded, the deficits grew, the Bank hiked rates again - and Canada toppled into an even worse  recession in 1992.

I actually benefited from that. I bought my house in Newmarket at the absolute rock-bottom of the market. The vendor was one of many who lost a lot of money during that time. Interest rates had dropped in the three years since I bought my previous house, in Chalk River, which made it barely affordable (it cost three times as much as my Chalk River house), and, fortunately, continued to drop through the duration of my mortgage as the value of my house went back up and beyond.

I also made a bit of money on my Chalk River house, too, when I sold it, because the move of 1 RCR from London to Pet had been announced.

One cannot rely on continued good fortune forever, though.
 
A two-year-old article that adds some perspective: http://www.macleans.ca/economy/economicanalysis/the-lessons-for-justin-trudeau-in-his-fathers-first-budget/

And some First Nations viewpoint:

https://walkingeaglenews.com/2018/01/19/trudeau-shocked-to-learn-about-living-conditions-in-northern-ont-first-nation/

https://walkingeaglenews.com/2017/11/22/trudeau-not-my-real-great-white-father-bellegarde/

https://walkingeaglenews.com/2017/12/21/health-canada-issues-massive-recall-of-liberal-tears/
 
Loachman said:
A two-year-old article that adds some perspective: http://www.macleans.ca/economy/economicanalysis/the-lessons-for-justin-trudeau-in-his-fathers-first-budget/

And some First Nations viewpoint:

https://walkingeaglenews.com/2018/01/19/trudeau-shocked-to-learn-about-living-conditions-in-northern-ont-first-nation/

https://walkingeaglenews.com/2017/11/22/trudeau-not-my-real-great-white-father-bellegarde/

https://walkingeaglenews.com/2017/12/21/health-canada-issues-massive-recall-of-liberal-tears/
interesting tidbit in there about how the decline in the percentage of working age Canadians is going to be a drag on growth now,  yet people here claim that canada is absorbing more immigrants than the economy can handle.

I say bring in more immigrants,  I have 1 kid,  I don't want any more.
 
Loachman said:
Anyway, the initial point was the claim that people have it better now than fifty years ago, which I dispute. National debt is one problem, or quickly could be again; personal/household debt is another. Even a slight increase in interest rates could tip more than a few people over a financial cliff.

And that would be the start of an avalanche.

Fear vs economic indicators.  According to the CIA World Fact Book, Canada has a Gross National Saving rate of 19.9%.

Source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ca.html

In fact, the government of the day has tried to decrease the savings rate by lowering the ceiling on yearly TFSA contribution room. The probability of a financial 'avalanche' under current market conditions is close to zero.  In fact, guess what happens when real and nominal interest rates rise? The saving rate rises as well!

As for being better off now than 50 years ago.  There are countless indicators that proves Canadian society is better off today than in the past.  For example, I could compare the number of cars, radios, TVs, disposable income. non-working hours per week, ect a household has today than 50, 40, 30, 20 years ago.  All would show a positive linear correlation with comparison to time.
 
Piece of Cake said:
Fear vs economic indicators.

Past experience vs experts, who are never wrong - especially where politicians play a major factor.

Piece of Cake said:
In fact, the government of the day has tried to decrease the savings rate by lowering the ceiling on yearly TFSA contribution room.

Really? Not because it wants to rip more tax out of honest citizens? Silly me. A lot more people saved in the 1960s and 1970s. Banks actually paid interest into savings accounts, too.

People are highly indebted, now. Few have enough money to save, unless there is tax incentive to do so.

Piece of Cake said:
In fact, guess what happens when real and nominal interest rates rise? The saving rate rises as well!

Not when people's mortgage and car payment and maxed-out credit card interest rates rise, they don't.

Piece of Cake said:
I could compare the number of cars, radios, TVs, disposable income. non-working hours per week, ect a household has today than 50, 40, 30, 20 years ago.  All would show a positive linear correlation with comparison to time.

Largely paid for via the matching linear-correlated household debt and the need for both parents (when there are two parents, today) to work. I never heard anybody express concern about household debt in the sixties and seventies, but I don't know anybody who had credit cards then, either, so living beyond one's means was not quite as convenient. My parents, and I, once old enough, paid for everything with cash.

Non-working hours per week? My father worked no overtime. My mother did not have to work. Life had a slower, more relaxed pace.

One car per family was adequate, as only one parent had to work. Families only need two cars todsay because both parents have to work, with the exceptions of the wealthy and women who work because of choice.

One television per family was adequate, then, too. There didn't "have" to be one in every room of the house. Families watched together, rather than in each member's own room.

Simple possession of "things" (as opposed to ownership when a growing collection of credit-bought things will never be truly paid off) is not the best indicator of happiness or quality of life.

Nobody had to rush to drop their kids off at daycare before going in. Shops closed between 1700 and 1800. Few people had to work evenings, and almost all businesses were closed on Sundays.

Perhaps your experiences fifty years ago differed from mine.
 
OK, this thread has once again devolved into another session of  :argue:

Loachman said:
https://walkingeaglenews.com/2017/12/21/health-canada-issues-massive-recall-of-liberal-tears
...but that's  funny.    :rofl:
 
Loachman said:
A two-year-old article that adds some perspective: http://www.macleans.ca/economy/economicanalysis/the-lessons-for-justin-trudeau-in-his-fathers-first-budget/

And some First Nations viewpoint:

https://walkingeaglenews.com/2018/01/19/trudeau-shocked-to-learn-about-living-conditions-in-northern-ont-first-nation/

https://walkingeaglenews.com/2017/11/22/trudeau-not-my-real-great-white-father-bellegarde/

https://walkingeaglenews.com/2017/12/21/health-canada-issues-massive-recall-of-liberal-tears/

How did l miss these gems last night.  :facepalm:  I'm with JM  :rofl:
 
pbi said:
My sentiments exactly. I don't know why principled, rational conservatism has this terrible tendency to drift into the swamp of bumper-sticker populism instead of holding some kind of high ground. It should not be hard to defeat the Liberals without pitch fork waving and acting like a 19 year old at a tailgate party.

"Stop the gravy train!"  :)

"The elites are trying to keep you down! Ford Nation must rise again!"

11 hours ago:

"In order to vote for me as your next Ontario PC leader in March, you must purchase a $10 Ontario PC party membership now."
https://twitter.com/fordnation/status/959991211854512128

Reminds me of when Doug was handing out twentys to voters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ckIcOiJyH4

And, his unsuccessful mayoral campaign in 2014.

If he loses the PC leadership race in March, he can still run for mayor. The campaign period for mayor doesn’t open until May.

Jan. 17, 2018
He had already been warned by the city about breaking the rules of campaigning early, before the official election period had begun.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/01/17/doug-ford-to-ignore-city-clerks-warning-about-premature-campaigning.html

"Now he gets to start campaigning early, right away. He can spend money, launch advertisements, hold rallies, fire up his organization, make speeches, mount a full-scale campaign for two months."

"Either he’s on the fast-track to the premier’s office, or he’s gotten a head start — legally! — on his bid for his brother’s old desk at city hall."

QUOTE

Globe and Mail

Published May 25, 2013
Updated March 26, 2017

"The Ford family’s history with drug dealing"
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/

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Thank-you, Piece of Cake, for your most generous gift  of 25 Milpoints and support of the freedoms of thought and speech, both gifts to Site members by Mr Bobbitt and protected by our cherished Constitution.

This is also a nice addition to my growing Milpoint portfolio, which will be of great value during my eventual retirement, especially if a market crash wipes out my RRSP.

You claim to have "presented facts", whereas I merely "replied with opinion", and that doing so "is incorrect".

"Facts" are often based upon interpretation as CIA assessments (never known to be 100% correct, by the way, or free of political or other bias either) are, and are open to challenge. "Facts" often change when new information becomes available.

I tend to stand by my opinions. There are many areas in which I hold none, as I have too little experience in or knowledge of those areas, or do not care enough. Most form over considerable time, based upon personal experience, observed experience of others, and material that I read or watch. I consult a variety of sources of many viewpoints, which began at a fairly early age and further developed during my time as Squadron Intelligence Officer (a secondary duty that I took quite seriously) at three Tac Hel Squadrons, one of which was in Germany with a real potential threat not far away.

I question almost everything, regardless of origin, especially if something deviates from learned pattern. My opinion may or may not change as a result; I have considerable confidence in my opinions, but maintain an open mind, even though I have to force myself to do so on occasion. I am well aware of the hazard of mental rigidity.

I learned to question aviation weather forecasts early on, and saved myself a lot of grief over many years. Canadian aviation forecasts in Lahr were frequently out-to-lunch, so, when in doubt, I consulted German forecasters, especially in Bremgarten to the south of us. They understood local effects due to terrain influences, whereas our guys had no such comprehension; local effects play a key role when one is flying over long stretches of varying terrain at 250 feet above ground in a country that had long stretches of marginal weather.

I learned to question intelligence assessments, which often made little sense for various reasons, so did my own research via whatever source materials I could find.

I continue this today, a few decades later. I read and watch material from conservative, liberal, socialist, "progressive" (a horribly inaccurate misnomer), civilian, military, transgender, historical, environut, and other points of view, including ones for which I have varying degrees of contempt - it's a "know thy enemy" thing. I piece bits together from multiple novel sources.

I remember things that have happened before, and their signs.

I certainly do not trust "experts" blindly. I can always find an "expert" who completely disagrees. Which makes the most sense? What agenda does each have? Which has the best track record for accuracy? What does a third, fourth, or fifth say? I often come across a non-expert who has an interesting interpretation of something, who often turns out right (like the guy who was tracking relative sales of anti-Clinton and anti-Trump merchandise during the last US election; anti-Clinton stuff was outselling anti-Trump stuff eight to one - not a solid indicator by itself, but one of many indicators that received no general publicity).

I have no immediate fear of impending serious or total economic collapse, even though I've seen many "experts" predict one or more just around the corner over many, many years. For everyone who trumpets "See? I was right", there is another staying quiet while hoping that nobody remembers his prediction tomorrow, next week, or almost ninety years later.

"Yale economist Irving Fisher was jubilant. “Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau,” he rejoiced in the pages of the New York Times. That dry pronunciation would go on to be one of his most frequently quoted predictions - but only because history would record his declaration as one of the wrongest market readings of all time.

"At the time he said it, in early October, he had good reason to believe he was right. On Sept. 3, 1929, the Dow Jones Industrial Average swelled to a record high of 381.17, reaching the end of an eight-year growth period during which its value ballooned by a factor of six. That was before the bubble began to burst in a series of “black days”: Black Thursday, October 24, when the market dropped by 11 percent, followed four days later by Black Monday, when it fell another 13 percent; and the next day, Black Tuesday, when it lost 12 percent more.

"Fisher, consistently bullish, pronounced the slide only temporary.

"In his defense, he was not the only optimist on Wall Street. After witnessing nearly a decade of growth, most economists, investors, and captains of industry believed that the market’s natural direction was up. The beginning of the crash struck them not as a sign of financial doom, but as an opportunity for bargains. Following the first of the black days, the New York Times was full of positive predictions: “I have no fear of another comparable decline,” said the president of the Equitable Trust Company.

"Many of those optimists, including Fisher, went broke by mid-November, when the Dow had lost nearly half its pre-crash value. Fisher’s reputation likewise plummeted."

Poor Irving eventually redeemed himself, though.

"He went on to develop a new theory about what had triggered the crash: overly liberal credit policies that encouraged Americans to take on too much debt, as he himself had done in order to invest more heavily in stocks. By then, however, no one was listening. His theory didn’t gain traction until the 1950s, when, years after his death, Harvard economist Milton Friedman pronounced him "the greatest economist the United States has ever produced." Fisher’s debt-deflation theory found its way into the spotlight again when overgenerous credit lines and huge debts prompted another U.S. market crash - this time in 2008.

"Economic (and other) indicators" are often disputed.

Finally, I am intrigued that you state that expression of opinion - or perhaps just expression of opinion with which you disagree - here in this fine Site is somehow "incorrect". Is that not also an opinion, and therefore also "incorrect"? Perhaps you misworded your true thought, or I misinterpreted what you wrote.

I remember the 1960s and 1970s (and later periods, obviously) fairly well. I remember many of the concerns of the time - inflation, no more oil, severe global cooling - and many of the things that we enjoyed and took for granted. Today is better than yesterday in some ways, but not so much in others. Mostly, it is just different.
 
Loachman, you just triggered a memory of the prevailing attitude in the late 60s and very early 70s. The smart folks were predicting that we were entering an era of marvellous prosperity where everyone would have lots of leisure time, job security, more than adequate income and a reduced need to toil at tiresome, wretched jobs.
 
And Old Sweat

You just triggered a memory - "Here Come the Seventies"  -  A must watch show for this 13 14 year old.

https://youtu.be/37z6eAp3D4A
 
jollyjacktar said:
How did l miss these gems last night.  :facepalm:  I'm with JM  :rofl:

The federal public service needs to stop training IFN, otherwise they will end up violating their own Charter rights: https://walkingeaglenews.com/2018/01/26/assembly-of-first-nations-mistakenly-signs-mou-with-self/
 
Chris Pook said:
And Old Sweat

You just triggered a memory - "Here Come the Seventies"  -  A must watch show for this 13 14 year old.

https://youtu.be/37z6eAp3D4A

That takes me back.  :nod:
 
whiskey601 said:
The federal public service needs to stop training IFN, otherwise they will end up violating their own Charter rights: https://walkingeaglenews.com/2018/01/26/assembly-of-first-nations-mistakenly-signs-mou-with-self/

Comedy gold.
 
Chris Pook said:
You just triggered a memory - "Here Come the Seventies"  -  A must watch show for this 13 14 year old.

It's a pity that there are no episodes on line. It would be a good time-killer. I don't think that I missed a single episode.
 
jollyjacktar said:
Comedy gold.

Yup. Brilliant. I spent a lot of time going through that after stumbling upon it.

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/unreserved/reclaiming-space-through-cooking-tattoos-and-satire-1.4435388/walking-eagle-news-satirical-news-with-an-indigenous-twist-1.4437564
 
Dawn may be approaching: http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/2826?key=4DC34574813F4B7BBC6B5839D45F2231
 
Altair said:
Politicians break promises. I have yet to find one who doesn't. Have you?

Maybe I just temper my expectations.

Or maybe I'm a realist and realized that no matter who we elect the vets are getting screwed on this issue.

I'm not particularly happy about it,  but c'est la vie.

C'est la vie but you won't turn down any benefits others manage to secure for us, right?
 
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