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So he’s basically saying that his side will resort to criminal activity if they don’t get what they want?
…bet that would be good for the environment…
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So he’s basically saying that his side will resort to criminal activity if they don’t get what they want?

Basically what I think he's saying is that he desperately wants to be handcuffed immediately, and spend some time in jail, for inciting terrorist activity.
 
I wonder if that huckster keeps the utilities on all the time in all his homes.
 
Basically what I think he's saying is that he desperately wants to be handcuffed immediately, and spend some time in jail, for inciting terrorist activity.
He wants pictures of himself getting handcuff and put into a van, but not of being released a couple of hours later with conditions to appear. He desperately wants to remain relevant.
 
So he’s basically saying that his side will resort to criminal activity if they don’t get what they want?
It's not criminal if it's what your religion demands... and you're a lunatic zealot.

While I doubt Suzuki is a true believer, he needs the zealots to finance his lifestyle.
 
I think that John Oliver is a bit of a twat but he did have a good bit on the need for electrical infrastructure.

The Power Grid: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)​


The biggest issue is that the green energy is best produced in areas where not many people are but needs to be transported to where the people are. I have a better idea, instead of putting massive solar and wind farms on top of productive farmland why don't we cover the dead zone suburbs with solar panels? They are eyesores anyway and we wouldn't have the massive power loss during the transportation phase.
Win win!!!
I thought solar farms were prohibited from being on anything better than class 4 farmland?
 
Which speaks to our Infrastructure Hardening requirements.

We're focused right now on dealing with client change but should also take in account terrorism/ aggressive activism, of course:

Time to overhaul infrastructure​


Climate specialists say a major overhaul of infrastructure in communities across Canada is needed to make homes, buildings, roads and rail lines more resilient to extreme weather events, as climate change makes those events more likely.

"Infrastructure decisions in Canada are not accounting for a changing climate," said Ryan Ness, research director for adaptation at the Canadian Institute for Climate Choices.


 
I wonder if that huckster keeps the utilities on all the time in all his homes.
A few years ago - ten or more IIRC - he went on a cross Canada climate change tour - in a big giant diesel burning bus.

Oh and to top it off he demanded his personal security bodyguards be made up of attractive women. It was reported but no one said much about it.

Now if Harper had made that request.....
 
So he’s basically saying that his side will resort to criminal potentially terrorist activity depending on how it's prosecuted if they don’t get what they want?
FTFY

Let's see if he and/or his allies/supporters reject the idea of such activity ....
 
FTFY

Let's see if he and/or his allies/supporters reject the idea of such activity ....

He's apologized now, which makes everything OK right?

Statement and apology from Dr. David Suzuki​



On Saturday, Nov. 20, during a media interview with CHEK News after a protest in Victoria, B.C., David Suzuki gave the following answer when asked what might happen if government leaders don’t urgently address the ever-worsening climate crisis:

“We’re in deep, deep doo doo. And the leading experts have been telling us for over 40 years. This is what we’ve come to. The next stage after this, there are going to be pipelines blown up if our leaders don’t pay attention to what’s going on.”

Dr. Suzuki’s comments were born out of many years of watching government inaction while the climate crisis continues to get worse. He has issued this apology:

“The remarks I made were poorly chosen and I should not have said them. Any suggestion that violence is inevitable is wrong and will not lead us to a desperately-needed solution to the climate crisis. My words were spoken out of extreme frustration and I apologize.

“We must find a way to stop the environmental damage we are doing to the planet and we must do so in a non-violent manner.”

The work of the David Suzuki Foundation is driven by dozens of experts from across Canada in the disciplines of science, policy, law, communications and public engagement. Since 1990, the Foundation has produced credible and reliable evidence-based environmental information, and worked with all levels of government (including Indigenous leadership), business and communities to resolve critical environmental issues.

 
FTFY

Let's see if he and/or his allies/supporters reject the idea of such activity ....
I can't see that, there's always been a radical environmental fringe group that promoted property destruction. That fringe is bound to grow larger and more radical with time
 
He's apologized now, which makes everything OK right?

Statement and apology from Dr. David Suzuki​



The work of the David Suzuki Foundation is driven by dozens of experts from across Canada in the disciplines of science, policy, law, communications and public engagement. Since 1990, the Foundation has produced credible and reliable evidence-based environmental information, and worked with all levels of government (including Indigenous leadership), business and communities to resolve critical environmental issues.


Sounds like a serious own goal. Must have upset his financial backers. The only thing he contributes is his reputation and if he goes "fringe" they lose the middle.
 
The Pipelines debate keeps resurfacing. It is tied to the Convoys, to the Ukraine, to Climate Change, to national revenues, to national defence, to Western alienation, to international stability.

In the Ukraine thread I said this:

It has SFA to do with capital availability, supply of raw material or viable markets. It has little to do with the First Nations - there are many willing partners all over the country. Even the regulatory environment can be fixed by willing governments.

NO. There is one, and one only, obstruction. The ideological fixation of the ruling clique.

I would like to applaud BC, something I generally don't find much occasion to do, for this latest announcement...

B.C. to announce energy deal with Indigenous groups after landmark agreement​

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Natural gas producers applauded a landmark settlement between the British Columbia government and the Blueberry River First Nations that will give the Indigenous group significantly more sway over projects in the province’s resource-rich Montney region, as other First Nations made ready to unveil similar deals.
On Wednesday, B.C. Premier David Eby and Blueberry River Chief Judy Desjarlais announced what both called a “historic” agreement that, in addition to giving the band a formal role in natural gas projects on its territory, includes $287.5-million in funding. The deal also includes potential revenue sharing from natural gas projects in northeastern B.C., but the First Nation has not released details of those arrangements.
The agreement resolves a lengthy legal dispute that came to a head when the B.C. Supreme Court ruled in June, 2021 that the province had infringed on Blueberry River’s Treaty 8 rights, which reflect agreements struck in 1899. The ruling prompted the province’s energy regulator to impose an 18-month moratorium on new oil and gas development licences in the region.

The province is expected to announce a related deal on Friday with other Treaty 8 First Nations. This would extend the impact of Blueberry River’s court victory and mark a shift in how resource development takes place in B.C.’s northeast.

The agreement to be unveiled Friday represents a new beginning, Ms. Gale said. “I have to commend this government for doing the right thing,” she added. “Instead of taking us to court, they reconciled.”

The yet-to-be-announced deal is expected to include a revenue-sharing agreement that would provide for participating First Nations to receive 10 per cent of oil and gas royalties from projects in the area, as well as a multimillion-dollar fund to pay for restoration of lands affected by industrial development.


Generally speaking Prairie first nations have been keen to take up oil and gas opportunities.

First Nations are not a major hurdle to western oil and gas, in my opinion. That is also a factor in why I think Churchill would be a good option.

It would put the Cree back in the international trade business after they lost their role in the fur trade.
 
To be fair to the Blueberry Nation, they are more impacted by the actual extraction, than the pipelines. Much of their traditional territory is pockmarked by wellsites, small pipelines and access roads, stuff like this

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The issue for Blueberry First Nation (and West Moberly First Nation, and Doig River First Nations who I also worked with in that area) is that it goes beyond the actual roads/well sites/pipelines but also the amount of seismic exploration (which drastically can affect animal populations both good and bad) and cumulative effects.

Did some rough math on that image...I came up with 1342 hectares of area or 3313 acres if you prefer

12 hectares of seismic line and 30 km of length
12 hectares of roads and 11.6 km of length
13 hectares of pipelines and 12.5 km of length
12 well sites at 1 hectare each
1 compressor plant at 2 hectares

That's 3.7 % of the area disturbed

Plus one cutblock - 7 hectares

Up to 4.2 % of area disturbed.

And frankly that's just quick napkin math on sizing and might be out on a few things. Those road/pipeline/powerline corridors such as the main N/S access can be barriers for animal movement and with that much traffic moving around to each well site daily it puts pressure on animal breeding success.

Counter argument is that there are some, not many, very well paying jobs for the operators of those gas fields. Unfortunately that's about the only low barrier entry position available long term as support trades (instrumentation techs, electricians etc.) and/or management positions are often engineering graduates. Tough to stay connected to the culture if you're forced to move away, might be employed in another town, and are going to the anomaly in the workforce.

That being said there are lots of good, hard workers in all three communities I initially mentioned (and many more indigenous communities around as well) where hopefully the cash settlement can allow for the kickstart for those motivated individuals and bands to be able to take control of some the chaos around them and set themselves up for the future. Providing a means of good employment, with decent money, and a vision of hope and future makes all the difference for so many communities and thankfully hearing way more success stories in recent years.
 
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