Parachutist wings from cadets on my PRes or RegF uniform
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It's arguably tougher for the cadets. They do a three week pre-course before the B Para, to get them into shape, etc. Three weeks at the CPC was enough for me.
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Doug,
Kudos for trying to help them, but as you should know by now, they won't listen and they'll just drive you friggin crazy ;D
Kudos for trying to help them, but as you should know by now, they won't listen and they'll just drive you friggin crazy ;D
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It's up to you guys to keep a lid on it. Just be civil when you do it. 
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Perhaps if the cadets were able to be "in shape" and meet the CF requirements then perhaps the 3 week pre course would not be needed..its not harder...its just 3 weeks of PT to get these kids to be fit enough for the actual thing.
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from my understanding, it is possible to achieve para wings as a cadet at 16 years old, at least i know in BC it might be
the way it *should* work is this:
12 years old - Basic Cadet
13 - Cadet Leader
14 - CLI course
15 - NSCE in spring break and then another CLI course
16 - Pre-para course over spring break then Para that summer
this is the only way I would see it possible to achieve this
also, there are 2 level of para wings achievable, one is the white wings which everyone achieves after they complete the Para course, meaning they are qualified to jump out of an airplane...this is the only cadet acoutrement able to be transferred to a Reg force/reserve uniform. the other is the Red Wings, which denotes someone has jumped in action, hence Operational Wings.
if i am wrong about any of this (yes it is possible) please correct me ;D
the way it *should* work is this:
12 years old - Basic Cadet
13 - Cadet Leader
14 - CLI course
15 - NSCE in spring break and then another CLI course
16 - Pre-para course over spring break then Para that summer
this is the only way I would see it possible to achieve this
also, there are 2 level of para wings achievable, one is the white wings which everyone achieves after they complete the Para course, meaning they are qualified to jump out of an airplane...this is the only cadet acoutrement able to be transferred to a Reg force/reserve uniform. the other is the Red Wings, which denotes someone has jumped in action, hence Operational Wings.
if i am wrong about any of this (yes it is possible) please correct me ;D
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Actually I think you got it backwards. White for operational and red for qualified B Para. Feel free to disagree. Cadets wear only the red leaf wings.
Cheers!!
The Army Guy
Cheers!!
The Army Guy
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Here's how it worked for me. I completed my NSCE in 2002 and did Maple Leaf Exchange. One year later (2003) I did the fitness test for the CF Basic Para course. I passed that, next thing was a CF medical. After this is passed, a few weeks later I was in Connaught along with forty-nine other candidates including one CIC officer.
The fitness test was administered the first monday morning, the second monday morning and finally the last friday morning. The results of the final testing determines whether the candidate goes to CFB Trenton ( location of the Canadian Parachute Center -> CPC ). If he or she fails, all attempts are made to employ them in a staff position. The days between these testings are full of training. Ususally a day would begin at 0550 for PT, which was begun with sets of chin ups then a long run, followed by push ups and so on. The day would usually involve two major activities, one being citizenship/orientation based, the other fitness related, and finally afternoon PT every day at 1600. During my pre-course time in Connaught, we toured a museum at CFB Petawawa, visited parliament/viewed the changing of the guard, met and were spoken to by Pvt. Jan de Vries (veteran of the 1st Cdn Para bn of WWII ), and the CF tried to recruit us too. As for the fitness training of a day: some weights, obstacle course, ruck march, many sports and swimming.
Once at the CPC in Trenton, you are treated much differently. You are now in the tender care of a course WO and three section commanders who are all veterans of the Canadian Airborne Regiment and are also members of an operational jump company. These gentlemen train you to the same standard as Reg Force candidates with exacting precision. The day begins at 0445 for morning PT and ends with PT. There are eight classes a day, with a short break between for water and a quick sit. There is no walking, all mouvement is made in double time. A helmet and harness is worn at all times. The day's training ends when afternoon PT is done. There was no training on weekends. If you complete the course you have earned the qualification to wear jump wings with a red maple leaf. This does not mean that you are an elite paratrooper, but that you are a qualified parachutist, able to jump out of an aircraft by military standards. From what I do know ( and I dont profess to be a know-it-all), jump wings with white maple leafs are earned after having served two years ( ? ) with an operational jump company. Mere heresay has impressed upon me that this is no easy time, and this time is not spent with any lily-livers.
Cadets can attempt their NSCE and Basic para once they are 16 years of age; this is true. However I would suggest that you take a year to go on exchange or Rocky Mtn first, as these are greatly enjoyable times full of valuable experience and superior training.
As for this idea of trouncing upon "cadet paratroopers" for thinking "we" deserve more respect...
This is merely a feeble-minded half-witted attempt by those who cannot adequately pinpoint a loudmouth. I do realise that of late there had been certain members who have completed their jump course as cadets making outrageously ridiculous statements, but don't attempt to gain the favour of the masses by creating a stereotyped scapegoat for your arrogant pleasure. I, as well as other jumpers with whom I completed my course, attempt to be mature, responsible and fair leaders in a humble manner. I greatly dislike this notion of painting all of us with the same colour. Other than that, I hope this answers any questions. Again, I do not mean to sound as though I know it all when it comes to the Reg Force side of things; I can only speak for what Ive done.
The fitness test was administered the first monday morning, the second monday morning and finally the last friday morning. The results of the final testing determines whether the candidate goes to CFB Trenton ( location of the Canadian Parachute Center -> CPC ). If he or she fails, all attempts are made to employ them in a staff position. The days between these testings are full of training. Ususally a day would begin at 0550 for PT, which was begun with sets of chin ups then a long run, followed by push ups and so on. The day would usually involve two major activities, one being citizenship/orientation based, the other fitness related, and finally afternoon PT every day at 1600. During my pre-course time in Connaught, we toured a museum at CFB Petawawa, visited parliament/viewed the changing of the guard, met and were spoken to by Pvt. Jan de Vries (veteran of the 1st Cdn Para bn of WWII ), and the CF tried to recruit us too. As for the fitness training of a day: some weights, obstacle course, ruck march, many sports and swimming.
Once at the CPC in Trenton, you are treated much differently. You are now in the tender care of a course WO and three section commanders who are all veterans of the Canadian Airborne Regiment and are also members of an operational jump company. These gentlemen train you to the same standard as Reg Force candidates with exacting precision. The day begins at 0445 for morning PT and ends with PT. There are eight classes a day, with a short break between for water and a quick sit. There is no walking, all mouvement is made in double time. A helmet and harness is worn at all times. The day's training ends when afternoon PT is done. There was no training on weekends. If you complete the course you have earned the qualification to wear jump wings with a red maple leaf. This does not mean that you are an elite paratrooper, but that you are a qualified parachutist, able to jump out of an aircraft by military standards. From what I do know ( and I dont profess to be a know-it-all), jump wings with white maple leafs are earned after having served two years ( ? ) with an operational jump company. Mere heresay has impressed upon me that this is no easy time, and this time is not spent with any lily-livers.
Cadets can attempt their NSCE and Basic para once they are 16 years of age; this is true. However I would suggest that you take a year to go on exchange or Rocky Mtn first, as these are greatly enjoyable times full of valuable experience and superior training.
As for this idea of trouncing upon "cadet paratroopers" for thinking "we" deserve more respect...
This is merely a feeble-minded half-witted attempt by those who cannot adequately pinpoint a loudmouth. I do realise that of late there had been certain members who have completed their jump course as cadets making outrageously ridiculous statements, but don't attempt to gain the favour of the masses by creating a stereotyped scapegoat for your arrogant pleasure. I, as well as other jumpers with whom I completed my course, attempt to be mature, responsible and fair leaders in a humble manner. I greatly dislike this notion of painting all of us with the same colour. Other than that, I hope this answers any questions. Again, I do not mean to sound as though I know it all when it comes to the Reg Force side of things; I can only speak for what Ive done.
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Well written response. You are a true professional. Others can learn from your willingness to explain your side and still remain thoughtful and logical.
Cheers!!
The Army Guy
Cheers!!
The Army Guy
Hey, good post- I'm looking at doing my CF Basic Para course next spring (I'm an Infantry reservist), and this post gave me some of the info I was looking for. Glad to see that not all the cadets who find the internet make fools of themselves- I remember from my time in cadets that we had a lot of those kinds of tools in our unit, even at the senior NCO level. With an attitude like yours, though, I hope you end up joining the forces. We need people like you.
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ouyin2000 said:
This was already corrected as to ed being basic para and white donating having served in the airborne regiment or a jump company. However there is more, there are more than two levels of para.
-Baic parachutist,
-Free Fall,
-Jump Master etc....
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ouyin2000 said:
ok i do appologise for makung the error of the red and white wings. Thank you for correcting me, and a very nice post by McBear. I enjoyed that, and even though I will not be able to take the course through cadets, i will most likely attempt it through reserves
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Have their been any female cadets who have taken and passed para?
Also, does anyone know how a CIC officer goes about taking it (I tried searching for it in CATOs, etc but couldn't find it). I'd be interested to know what the standards are and how they're chosen.
Also, does anyone know how a CIC officer goes about taking it (I tried searching for it in CATOs, etc but couldn't find it). I'd be interested to know what the standards are and how they're chosen.
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