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Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis

Oldgateboatdriver said:
It is not a bad book to be familiar with , Tuan, but I also suggest you look up, in a similar vein, Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book "Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now".

I am not defender of Islam or any other religions for that matter but Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book "Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now", is kind of paradox since there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world right now, out of which the combined forces in total of Islamic State, al Qaeda, Taliban and Boko Haram makes up 0.003% of global Muslim population.  Therefore the statement that Islam propagates terror thus it needs reformation is flawed because if Islam really bred terror, we’d all be dead now.
 
I don't think the "terror" to which Ms. Ali alludes is limited to the extreme examples of it from ISIS and Al Qaeda only. I saw it as including the terror imposed, for instances, on Muslim women in London, England, or the Netherlands or France, who are verbally assaulted by Muslim men in public on the street, for walking alone (without male escort) or not wearing a hijab; or the terror of being punished for unknown sins by the religious police in say, Saudi Arabia or Iran, or merely because you did not abide by their interpretation of Islam; or the terror imposed on young Muslim women in North America by their fathers to prevent them from going out with boys (or even their girl friends so that, god forbid, a man should accidentally join them at the restaurant) or going to school "undressed' (meaning without being covered from head to toe in 30o - 100% humidity weather when everybody else is wearing shorts and T-shirts), etc.

Basically I saw her thesis as being against the "terrorizing" of Muslims by other Muslims into total personal obedience to the rules and precept of the religion they have decided to be the "true faith" ones. These "terrorizing" Muslims are much much more numerous than the ones you singled out.

If you pair that with the fact that  Islam, as a religion is also a political system, in that it seeks to impose on everyone the religions teachings as the law o the land to be imposed on all by the political powers that be, that is where she feels that a reformation is necessary so that Islam can become, like just about all other religions by now, a personal and private matter rather than a political and societal imposed one.
 
Again, you cannot generalize an entire culture as "terrorizing" and paint them with the broader brush that Islam is such. One case in point is that the author's perception on the Pakistani schoolgirl Malala Yousafzai is such that Ms. Ali fails to see that even though Malala was/is victim of Taliban's "terror" she was supported with her entire nation.
 
I hate to break this news to you Tuan, but Malala has not been supported by her entire nation. A great deal of people in her neck of the woods in fact actually agreed publicly with the actions of the Taliban, which is why she has now had to expatriate herself permanently. That area, BTW, is the same area where the few remaining Christians are regularly dragged out in public from their home by mobs that then stone them with the acquiescence of the state, merely because someone alleged (without proof or direct knowledge), that they heard that they committed blasphemy in denying teachings of Islam or badmouthing the prophet.

If that is not terror, I don't know what is.
 
Well, is that so? This is news to me.....My wife who is a Pakistani Muslim says otherwise though....
 
So, our bombing continues for now.

CF-18s will bomb IS targets until told to stop
The Globe and Mail
Steven Chase
13 Nov 2015

Canadian warplanes are still bombing Islamic State targets in Iraq, taking part in an offensive to retake Sinjar from the militants, even three weeks after the election of Justin Trudeau’s Liberals, who campaigned on a pledge to withdraw the jet fighters.

Canadian Forces say CF-18 Hornets joined in coalition air strikes Thursday to aid the Kurdish offensive. The jets hit an Islamic State ammunition cache near Sinjar as well as an ISIL fighting position near the northwestern Iraqi city of Tal Afar.

Since the Oct. 19 federal election that saw the Trudeau Liberals defeat the Harper Conservatives, Canadian fighters have conducted air strikes 11 times in Iraq, destroying Islamic State fighting positions and ammunition caches.

The Canadian military says CF-18s will continue to fly in support of the air campaign against the Islamic State until it’s ordered to stand down. Canada’s mission is called Operation Impact.

“Operation Impact continues for the time being under the mandate previously directed by government,” Captain Kirk Sullivan, with Canadian Joint Operations Command, said.

“The Canadian Armed Forces stands ready to implement government of Canada direction when it comes and will liaise with coalition partners to investigate options, and transition our military operations in the region.”

Mr. Trudeau, speaking Thursday, could not say when the jets will be withdrawn, but said he intends to live up to his promise.
 
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
I hate to break this news to you Tuan, but Malala has not been supported by her entire nation. A great deal of people in her neck of the woods in fact actually agreed publicly with the actions of the Taliban, which is why she has now had to expatriate herself permanently. That area, BTW, is the same area where the few remaining Christians are regularly dragged out in public from their home by mobs that then stone them with the acquiescence of the state, merely because someone alleged (without proof or direct knowledge), that they heard that they committed blasphemy in denying teachings of Islam or badmouthing the prophet.

If that is not terror, I don't know what is.

You're right about Malala!

The antagonism towards Malala in Pakistan
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-29568637
 
Tuan said:
I am not defender of Islam or any other religions for that matter but Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book "Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now", is kind of paradox since there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world right now, out of which the combined forces in total of Islamic State, al Qaeda, Taliban and Boko Haram makes up 0.003% of global Muslim population.  Therefore the statement that Islam propagates terror thus it needs reformation is flawed because if Islam really bred terror, we’d all be dead now.

the current wave of radicalization is being fed by the Gulf states and Saudi Arabia oil money financing mosques throughout the Islamic world and using them to squash any other interpretation of Islam.
 
Who is helping to design and build these mosques throughout that region? You've guessed it...the West

Colin P said:
the current wave of radicalization is being fed by the Gulf states and Saudi Arabia oil money financing mosques throughout the Islamic world and using them to squash any other interpretation of Islam.
 
PuckChaser said:
People twist the statistics and stay on the 0.03% of all strikes are CF-18s. Its not a pure numbers game, the fact that we are there, sharing the load, with whatever we can provide, means something to our allies. They know we have aging aircraft in limited numbers, so that 6-pack means a lot more than the US sending a 6-pack of aircraft.

Every strike is important like EITS said. What if one of our CF-18s is tasked in a sortie to drop a JDAM on a HVT, who happens to be Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi? Do our strikes still mean nothing despite taking out the ISIL leader?

Article Link

Trudeau and ISIS: Is the bombing still a bad idea?

On Thursday, eight days after Justin Trudeau took office, two CF-18 fighters with laser-guided bombs screamed above the desert city of Sinjar, in northern Iraq.

Below lay a crucial artery for the so-called Islamic State: Highway 47, the main east-west route between ISIS headquarters in Raqqah, Syria, and the ISIS-held city of Mosul, Iraq.

On the ground, Kurdish forces were mounting an assault on the ISIS garrison at Sinjar in a bid to cut its supply line. The Canadian pilots' task was to take out an obstacle to the Kurdish advance: an Islamic State unit dug in to the east of Sinjar at Tal Afar. A second target was an ISIS ammunition store close to Sinjar itself.

Both targets were hit. The counteroffensive worked. With the aid of the Canadian, as well as U.S., pilots, plus Canadian special forces trainers on the ground, the Kurdish forces drove ISIS out of Sinjar. It was hailed as a "liberation" by the remaining Yazidi community, who had been massacred and enslaved by the Islamic State.

But... what happened to Justin Trudeau's pledge to bring the CF-18s home and end their participation in the war on ISIS? And will that pledge survive the massacre in Paris?

1,700 sorties, and still flying

Canada's six warplanes, with an airborne Polaris tanker and two Aurora surveillance planes, arrived at a base in Kuwait just over a year ago, on Oct. 30, 2014. Since then, their contribution to the coalition has been modest but certainly not insignificant.

As of Wednesday — Remembrance Day — Canadian planes had flown 1,731 sorties, according to the Department of National Defence. Of those, 1,109 were combat missions by CF-18 fighters, although they take a cautious approach to releasing their bombs and return without dropping them about two-thirds of the time.

In addition, the C-150 Polaris tanker flew 302 sorties, pouring nearly 8,160 tonnes of jet fuel into coalition aircraft. The two Auroras conducted a further 320 reconnaissance missions, gathering intelligence on ISIS movements.
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Full story at link;  I wanted to use this passage to show that, while the CF-18s contributions might seem to be insignificant to people judging from the safety of their own homes, inside Canadian borders, the people who they are supporting over there don't seem to agree with that position.


 
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The latest on CANSOF's operations:

ANALYSIS: There are signs Canadian commandos are battling ISIS in northern Iraq
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau hasn't yet clarified future of combat mission against Islamic State

James Cudmore, CBC News
16 Nov 2015

Canadian special operations forces are continuing to advise and assist Kurdish forces as they battle ISIS in a major offensive in the northern part of Iraq, an operation that brings with it the strong likelihood Canadian commandos are in combat today.

The Department of National Defence refuses to discuss what Canada's military advisers are currently up to, citing operational security. But following a series of queries from CBC News, it confirmed Canada's special forces have had no change to the mandate that allows them to accompany Kurdish forces up to and across front lines and into battle.

The mission's parameters also include target acquisition and terminal guidance operations: the calling in of air strikes by ground troops against enemy forces.

"Operation Impact... continues for the time being under the mandate previously directed by government," Capt. Kirk Sullivan said in an email.

"In order to maintain operational security, no further information regarding ongoing and future operations is available at this time."

The combat question is significant because in opposition, Justin Trudeau accused the Conservative government of misleading Canadians by not disclosing the fact that special forces advisers were at the front lines engaging in the directing of bombs against ISIS targets. The Liberals defined this as combat, as have former generals since then.

The party opposed the extension and expansion of this combat mission, in part because of the government's alleged deception

Then during the campaign, the Liberal Party promised to end the combat mission in Iraq.

That was before this week's attacks in Beirut and Paris.

Before he boarded a plane to the G20 summit on Friday night, the prime minister was asked whether events would cause him to reconsider.

"It's too soon to jump to any conclusions," he said.

As of now, under Trudeau's new Liberal government, Canadian Forces are not just engaging in combat, they are engaging in the largest combat mission in Iraq in some time. Sunday saw Canada's CF-18 jets hit ISIS fighting positions near Haditha, Iraq.

On Thursday, the government confirmed Canadian military participation in the operation to take back the important Iraqi town of Sinjar from ISIS fighters.

Friday, a Pentagon briefing shone more light on that effort, which is now understood to be a massive offensive by Iraqi security forces and Kurdish allies across Iraq's north and even into Syria.

Col. Steven H. Warren, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, described the intense efforts and said Kurdish forces from the Erbil region — where Canadian troops are advising — participated in the fight.

Warren referred to coalition efforts in aid of Iraqi security forces, including Kurds.

"Our advise and assist forces positioned themselves primarily... on the north side of [Sinjar] mountain where the Kurd commanders positioned themselves, with the mission really to advise these Kurd commanders on how to synchronize the flow of forces into the battle, on how to refine their ongoing logistics operations, and how to do things like triage wounded and how to manage their casualty collection sites and things like this. Genuine advise and assist," Warren said.

"There were a handful of personnel on top of the mountain helping the Peshmerga forces identify and develop targets down there on the ground.

It's not certain that Canadian forces on the ground were engaged in the Sinjar operation, but the military has so far refused to say they were not.

In briefings earlier this year, the head of Canada's Special Operations Forces Command, Brig.-Gen. Michael Rouleau, told reporters the advise and assist mission included three components:

• the planning of operations
• the training of forces
• enabling airstrikes, both in defence and on the offensive

It's in this last area, a high-end military skill set, that Canada is likely most active in today.

In his briefing in January, Rouleau said this training happened well behind the front lines and represented about 80 per cent of Canada's work on the ground in Iraq.

"The other 20 per cent or so happens in forward positions, mostly close to the front lines, but sometimes right at the front lines if that is the only place from where we can accomplish it," he said.

In that briefing, Rouleau referred several times to Canadian operations in the Sinjar region, where the fresh fighting in happening now.

On background, military sources say it will take a decision from cabinet or a letter from the prime minister to alter the Canadian Forces mission in Iraq. Until that arrives, it's business as usual.

New mandate letters issued to ministers Friday included instructions to Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan to "end Canada's combat mission in Iraq and Syria, refocusing Canada's efforts in the region on the training of local forces and humanitarian support."

In an exclusive interview with CBC News on Thursday, Sajjan said the government was consulting with allies to ensure a responsible transition. Sajjan said it was important for Canada's allies to be in on the thinking about any any new plan.

"When we look at fighting ISIS and the overall picture, it's not just strictly about the air campaign. Canada has a lot to offer. We want to make sure that anything we do as part of that is going to have a meaningful impact to the mission," Sajjan said. "And right now, we feel that a training role could be one of those things."

The military already is planning how best to implement the government's direction, and training is indeed at the top of the list.

Canada's special forces, while capable, are small in number and it's said that increasing Canadian training in areas like medical aid and countering improvised explosives would most likely require the use of conventional Canadian forces.

That sort of mission would most closely match the work Canada did in Afghanistan following the end of the combat mission there in 2011.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/special-forces-isis-iraq-combat-1.3318451
 
Don't you just love journalists?

They try to hook us up with non-news, and they managed to hook you MCG  :).

That is not an analysis, and the whole story does not justify the title at all.

Let's see here: We are told that the Cansof in Iraq are operating today under the mandate they have had from the beginning and is already known to the public. Moreover, I asked DND what precisely they are doing and was told absolutely nothing. So, I will imagine that they are doing what they were doing before end reporting as a hypothetical of  what they are up to today - even though I haven't a clue.

Then I will blame the Prime Minister for not answering for the umpteenth time the question we have been asking him with the same response or no response at all for the last two weeks, when he has better things to do with his time, and before we even give him time to act, will stick his own electoral promise in his face.

Did I miss something? Is this news or analysis? No. It's complete bullshit. Can you give the poor man a chance to do something? And press, remember, he also promised governing by  consulting with his cabinet - well that means it takes more time to decide and then do anything.

And BTW, news orgs, read the mandates to his minister of defence and foreign affairs: they are to organize bringing back the CF-18's. Now go back to the actual mission and see what is left: The Aurora's, the tanker the SOF trainers (with their current mandate) all seem to remain there.
 
opcougar said:
Who is helping to design and build these mosques throughout that region? You've guessed it...the West

Let's see you expand on that and provide some fact and proof.

Or are you just trolling again :waiting:
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
I don't think the "terror" to which Ms. Ali alludes is limited to the extreme examples of it from ISIS and Al Qaeda only. I saw it as including the terror imposed, for instances, on Muslim women in London, England, or the Netherlands or France, who are verbally assaulted by Muslim men in public on the street, for walking alone (without male escort) or not wearing a hijab; or the terror of being punished for unknown sins by the religious police in say, Saudi Arabia or Iran, or merely because you did not abide by their interpretation of Islam; or the terror imposed on young Muslim women in North America by their fathers to prevent them from going out with boys (or even their girl friends so that, god forbid, a man should accidentally join them at the restaurant) or going to school "undressed' (meaning without being covered from head to toe in 30o - 100% humidity weather when everybody else is wearing shorts and T-shirts), etc.

Basically I saw her thesis as being against the "terrorizing" of Muslims by other Muslims into total personal obedience to the rules and precept of the religion they have decided to be the "true faith" ones. These "terrorizing" Muslims are much much more numerous than the ones you singled out.

If you pair that with the fact that  Islam, as a religion is also a political system, in that it seeks to impose on everyone the religions teachings as the law o the land to be imposed on all by the political powers that be, that is where she feels that a reformation is necessary so that Islam can become, like just about all other religions by now, a personal and private matter rather than a political and societal imposed one.

A different point of view and a must watch! Stupidity of the CNN has no limits!
https://www.facebook.com/issambayanofficial/videos/731193436971783/
 
New boss in town ....
Brigadier-General James Irvine assumed command of Joint Task Force-Iraq (JTF-I) from Brigadier-General Lise Bourgon yesterday as part of a regular, previously planned rotation for Operation IMPACT.

As Commander of JTF-I, Brigadier-General Irvine commands approximately 600 Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) personnel deployed on Operation IMPACT -- Canada’s military contribution to the multinational coalition against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS). JTF-I includes Air Task Force-Iraq (ATF-I) as well as planning teams and liaison officers working within the U.S.-led coalition.

Quick Facts

  • Brigadier-General Irvine, a Royal Canadian Air Force CP-140 Aurora pilot, has served in command roles at the crew, flight, detachment, squadron, and wing levels, including as Commanding Officer of 405 “Pathfinder” Squadron during Operation ATHENA in Afghanistan. He recently served as Director of Plans at the Canadian Joint Operations Command. Brigadier-General Irvine was promoted to his current rank on October 19, 2015.
  • Following a ceremony on October 19, 2015, at Camp Patrice Vincent in Kuwait, Colonel Shayne Elder assumed command of Air Task Force-Iraq (ATF-I) from Colonel Sean Boyle.
  • Before joining the CAF in 2011, Colonel Elder had a distinguished career as a tactical helicopter pilot with the Australian Army and retired after 26 years of service at the rank of brigadier.
  • As part of Operation IMPACT’s mandate, Canada is participating in a wide range of operations, including the use of airpower and special operations forces in training, advising and assisting Iraqi security forces.
  • Within Joint Task Force-Iraq, Air Task Force-Iraq operates three types of aircraft. The CC-150T Polaris supports coalition air assets in the region with aerial refueling. The CP-140 Aurora conducts intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance missions based on identified and pre-determined areas of interest. The CF-18 Hornet conducts airstrike missions using precision guided munitions
(....)
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
I don't think the "terror" to which Ms. Ali alludes is limited to the extreme examples of it from ISIS and Al Qaeda only. I saw it as including the terror imposed, for instances, on Muslim women in London, England, or the Netherlands or France, who are verbally assaulted by Muslim men in public on the street, for walking alone (without male escort) or not wearing a hijab; or the terror of being punished for unknown sins by the religious police in say, Saudi Arabia or Iran, or merely because you did not abide by their interpretation of Islam; or the terror imposed on young Muslim women in North America by their fathers to prevent them from going out with boys (or even their girl friends so that, god forbid, a man should accidentally join them at the restaurant) or going to school "undressed' (meaning without being covered from head to toe in 30o - 100% humidity weather when everybody else is wearing shorts and T-shirts), etc.

Basically I saw her thesis as being against the "terrorizing" of Muslims by other Muslims into total personal obedience to the rules and precept of the religion they have decided to be the "true faith" ones. These "terrorizing" Muslims are much much more numerous than the ones you singled out.

If you pair that with the fact that  Islam, as a religion is also a political system, in that it seeks to impose on everyone the religions teachings as the law o the land to be imposed on all by the political powers that be, that is where she feels that a reformation is necessary so that Islam can become, like just about all other religions by now, a personal and private matter rather than a political and societal imposed one.


I saw the highlighted bit, with my own eyes, in Singapore where Muslim men, some from Malaysia but mostly, I was told, from nearby Indonesia, come to Singapore on Sundays and 'terrorize' the (mostly Indonesian) housemaids on their day off. The difference between e.g. Europe, on the one hand, and Singapore, on the other, is respect for the rule of law. In Singapore the police are johnny-on-the-spot and the Muslim men are carted away, quickly, and hustled across the border with their passports stamped so that they cannot return for some months. Such verbal assaults (I'm told these "assaults," which are almost never more than verbal ... out of fear of the proportionate police reaction) are, apparently, a breach of Singapore's laws regarding personal privacy and public conduct ~ remember this is the place where gum chewing, in public, is against the law ... or, at least, dropping your 'used' gum anywhere is.)

And I agree, OGBD, it is a form of terrorism. I was also told, by a Malay acquaintance, that this attitude, including the dress codes, is relatively new. It is, my acquaintance told me, an "import"  from the Middle East, brought by Arabian sheiks and imans who have been invited to Malaysia and Indonesia by a handful of fundamentalist people in high (high enough) places. Some Malays (I don't know about others in e.g. Indonesia, Thailand and Philippines) want to fight back and, in at least one mosque in one city the "imported" iman was ousted and the congrgation agreed that they would engage only a native born Malay who was educated in Malaysia.

That, ousting an iman and insisting upon a local fellow, instead, is one example of real "soft power," at work. That one Malay congregation was (I hope still is) sufficiently comfortable in its own "skin," sufficiently confident in the strength of its own "culture" to face down the foreign fundamentalists who claim that they have the 'Holy Writ" on their side. This sort of "soft power" ~ the very best kind ~ is never the result of any government programme, and never a "gift" from foreigners. It is "bottom up" or "grassroots" power that reflects the strengths and determination of the people, themselves. It was easier, I suspect, in that particular Malay congregation because I think it was in an upper middle class district filled with well educated people. Poorly educated people often (usually?) are less "comfortable" and "confidant" and, therefore, less willing to stand up against outside influence.

I think there is a big difference between the "comfortable," and "confident" local community power I saw in one small place in one small country and the fanaticism that, I suspect, animates many IS** members. IS** is, I believe, using its own brand of "soft power" but it is imposed rather than being self generated and self sustained and I think (hope) it's influence is easier to counter, discredit and destroy (see e.g. Italian fascism, German national socialism and Japanese Shinto based militarism). It is my thesis that imposed or imported can be valuable and long lasting, but only as a catalyst for the creation of local, indigenous power: the great legacy of the British empire, for example, was the "rule of law," respect for which is still a defining characteristic of some democracies (America, Australia, Canada, Hong Kong, India and Singapore just to name a few) and which, I assert, delayed the decline of democracy in others.

At the risk of repeating myself: the best "soft power" is home grown, but, just for example, a couple of poor, Easter European Jewish immigrants named Samuel Goldwyn and Louis B Meyer had more to do with giving America "comfort" and "confidence" than did Franklin D Roosevelt or even Thomas Jefferson. General Electric and General Motors were as important to the expansion of America's soft power as was General Marshall and his amazingly generous "plan" to rebuild Europe. Louis Armstrong, Josephine Baker, Duke Ellington and Ella Fitzgerald did more to shape "our" anti-communist "narrative" than did everyone in the CIA, Voice of America, the US State Department and Radio Free Europe, combined. Governments and old, tired, armchair strategists, like me, need to remember that.
 
Here's an interesting take on ISIS and why they attacked France from The Atlantic titled ISIS Is Not Waging a War Against Western Civilization.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/11/isis-paris-attacks-rubio-republicans/416085/?utm_source=SFFB

It does seem to put some things into perspective.
 
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