New Ontario Government 2018

[a_majoor]

As an interesting counterpoint, consider the amount of traffic discussions on the size and numbers of Headquarters, GOFO's etc. generate on other threads, and how the almost universal consensus is we would be far better off streamlining the organization and reducing headcounts. Even the arguments about how many councillors/constituent seem very familiar, how many servicemenber/GOFO do we consider an acceptable ratio?

 

[mariomike]

When Doug made his announcement today, former Chief City Planner of Toronto from 2012 to 2017, Jennifer Keesmaat, rushed down to City Hall to register for the mayoral race just minutes before the 2 p.m. deadline.

She Tweeted one word: "Secession."
https://twitter.com/jen_keesmaat/status/1022674165063733249

After four years of peace, CP24 shows City Hall in chaos tonight. Deja vu 2010 - 2014.

In the middle of an election.

The people of Toronto went through a year and a half process to decide their ward boudaries. It was inclusive. There were four years of studies and consultations.

Then this announcement from Queen's Park two hours before registration closes.

Renfrew Country has 1 MP and 1 MPP to represent 102,000 people, but has only 9 people per Sq KM.

We are comparing municipal wards to provincial and federal ridings?

 

[PuckChaser]

We are comparing municipal wards to provincial and federal ridings?

Considering that's exactly how the Premier is framing his rationale for reducing councillors, its topical. You also missed the remainder of the post, which was more about geographical size of the ridings. Toronto is likely one of the few municipalities that this sort of cut would work on, because of the density of the population.

 

[Altair]

Ottawa has 23 councillors,  with less than half of the population of toronto,  yet ford says he has no plans to change the number of councillors in ottawa.

Very much a settling of scores by a scorned politician.

 

[mariomike]

Ottawa has 23 councillors,  with less than half of the population of toronto,  yet ford says he has no plans to change the number of councillors in ottawa.

Very much a settling of scores by a scorned politician.

Ottawa has 41,000 per ward councillor.

Toronto will have 109,000 per ward councillor.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-ford-upends-toronto-ward-system-ahead-of-fall-municipal-elections/

 

[PuckChaser]

Ottawa has 41,000 per ward councillor.

Toronto will have 109,000 per ward councillor.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-ford-upends-toronto-ward-system-ahead-of-fall-municipal-elections/

Did you read my post at all, or just completely miss the point and cherry pick a quote? Ottawa's land area is almost 5 times the size of Toronto. Geography has to play a major role in number of councillors/MPPs/MPs as well. There's dimishing returns when your councillor is responsible for a massive area. You're telling me that Toronto councillors will be hard done by to represent 26 sq KM areas, instead of 12.5 sq KM? Meanwhile, if the City of Ottawa follows the new Toronto model, they go from roughly 100 sq KM wards to 330 sq KM wards.

Also in the "hell must have froze over" category, Doug Ford is taking the lead from the Toronto Star, after this editorial in 2014 stated that Toronto should have 1 councillor per federal/provincial riding: https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/11/19/torontos_dysfunctional_city_hall_needs_reform.html

They've really flipped since then: https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2018/07/27/doug-ford-spits-in-the-face-of-toronto.html

 

[mariomike]

Puckchaser,

I was replying to Altair.  I posted my source.

Here it is again,

QUOTE

The Canadian Press

THE GLOBE AND MAIL

July 26, 2018

APPROXIMATE POPULATION PER COUNCILLOR

Toronto (25 councillors) 109,000

Ottawa (23 councillors)  41,000
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-ford-upends-toronto-ward-system-ahead-of-fall-municipal-elections/

END QUOTE

Doug Ford is taking the lead from the Toronto Star, after this editorial in 2014 stated that Toronto should have 1 councillor per federal/provincial riding: https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/11/19/torontos_dysfunctional_city_hall_needs_reform.html

No Puckchaser. That is not an "editorial".

That is an "Opinion •Commentary".

This is also an "Opinion •Commentary". In the very same Toronto Star. Two days before the link you selected to post,

QUOTE

"Downsizing city council doesn't make sense"
Nov. 17, 2014
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/11/17/downsizing_city_council_doesnt_make_sense.html

END QUOTE

"Opinion •Commentary" are not editorials.

THIS, is the Toronto Star editorial,

QUOTE

Star Editorial Board

Fri., July 27, 2018

Doug Ford spits in the face of Toronto
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2018/07/27/doug-ford-spits-in-the-face-of-toronto.html

END QUOTE

 

[Altair]

Ottawa has 41,000 per ward councillor.

Toronto will have 109,000 per ward councillor.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-ford-upends-toronto-ward-system-ahead-of-fall-municipal-elections/

With the premier of toronto in charge,  I think Quebec is going to be seen as the responsible and stable province regardless of the winner in October.

Also,  as a comparison,  montreal has 65 councillor, and it works out to something around 29-30 thousand per councillor.

 

[mariomike]

With the premier of toronto in charge,  I think Quebec is going to be seen as the responsible and stable province regardless of the winner in October.

Also,  as a comparison,  montreal has 65 councillor, and it works out to something around 29-30 thousand per councillor.

An Opinion - Commentary. Not an editorial.

QUOTE

Doug Ford will have his revenge on Toronto. We did not vote for him for mayor, we did not — the majority of us — vote for him for premier, and so now he will mess us up. Because he can, and because many of his loudest supporters in other parts of the province like nothing more than to see us get the high hard one, and many more of his loudest supporters think the entire apparatus of government is useless and should be burned to the ground.

London, England has only 25 members for a population of more than eight million people. But that city also has 32 elected borough councils, many with more than 50 or even 70 members, and each of those has its own mayor. He also noted that Los Angeles has only 15 councillors and a mayor, but failed to mention the 97 neighbourhood councils that are part of its government structure. Chicago, about the size of Toronto, has 50 councillors, a mayor, and an elected clerk and treasurer — slightly larger than the body Toronto would have had after this election. New York City, between its city council, its community boards, and its borough presidents, has more than 3,000 politicians running it.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZyAaWNyXAZ8J:https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2018/07/27/fords-move-to-slash-toronto-council-without-consultation-an-undemocratic-move.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

END QUOTE

 

[Journeyman]

Editorial
noun
A newspaper article expressing the editor's opinion on a topical issue.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/editorial

False dichotomy:  An editorial is  an opinion piece.


Back to the latest political 'he said - she said' 

 

[ModlrMike]

Wait... the Red Star had an opinion piece critical of a Conservative politician? When did that start?  :facepalm:

 

[mariomike]

Wait... the Red Star had an opinion piece critical of a Conservative politician? When did that start?  :facepalm:

Like it or not, the Toronto Star has the highest circulation of any daily newspaper in Canada.

Higher than the Globe and Mail.

Higher than the National Post and the Toronto Sun combined.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Incorrect, my Padiwan learner.  ;D

Top: Globe and Mail.

And just about equal to the other two you named taken together (though neither of them is the next or even the two next most circulated dailies in Toronto. Those honours go to the 24 Hours Toronto and Metro Toronto, which together exceed the Star's readership by 30%.

http://www.cision.ca/trends/canadas-top-20-daily-newspapers/

And, BTW, all proportions kept, the next two top papers (after the G&M and TorStar) beat the hell out of everybody for readership: La Presse and the Journal de Montreal come in at 300% higher circulation that the Globe and Mail (no.1 overall) when you adjust to consider that it addresses itself to only 25% of the population of Canada, as opposed to the G&M addressing itself to the other 75%.

 

[mariomike]

Incorrect, my Padiwan learner.  ;D

Top: Globe and Mail.

Thanks, OGBD. 

My source was,

Daily Newspaper Circulation Report 2015
https://nmc-mic.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2015-Daily-Newspaper-Circulation-Report-REPORT_FINAL.pdf

Based on 2015 statistics, the Toronto Star is Canada's highest-circulation newspaper on overall weekly circulation. Although it is a close second to The Globe and Mail in daily circulation on weekdays, it overtakes the Globe in weekly circulation with both its Saturday and Sunday editions, especially given that the Globe does not publish Sunday editions.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Like it or not

Sage advice for Torontonians who aren't happy about the election.

Ontario was so tired of the Liberals they aren't even a recognized party at this time. Perhaps if Torontonians were a little more cognizant of the bigger picture they could have leaned in a different direction and possibly save themselves some angst.

Ford isn't just kicking cans down the road he's picking them up and moving them. Maybe it's good maybe it's bad but it's pretty clear Ontario wanted change and that's what he's doing and for good or for ill that's what we're getting.

 

[YZT580]

Smart politics actually.  Clean house and get all the questionable stuff over with during the first year of your mandate and then spend the next 3 years dealing with less touchy subjects.  Peoples' memories don't normally last 4 years; they will only remember the last 12 months or so.  Wynn is a prime example.  Her bad press simply got worse in the last year of her government.  There was no time to forget.

 

[Cloud Cover]

The established bureaucracy at QP would have had a lot to do with this. There's no way Ford rolled into office and just issued this whopping command out all by himself.  It's probably true that the provincial knives are out and after every whining councilor who has caused them grief since 2003.

 

[Altair]

Smart politics actually.  Clean house and get all the questionable stuff over with during the first year of your mandate and then spend the next 3 years dealing with less touchy subjects.  Peoples' memories don't normally last 4 years; they will only remember the last 12 months or so.  Wynn is a prime example.  Her bad press simply got worse in the last year of her government.  There was no time to forget.

Depends.

Sometimes people get really angry about Premiers unilaterally imposing their will on their local municipalities and then vote for the party who says they will restore the status quo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_municipal_referendums,_2004

 

[Fishbone Jones]

You can't hold up Quebec as some sort of standard. They are totally out of step with the rest of the country. Always will be. It's their nature. :rofl:

 

[Jarnhamar]