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New Coast Guard Ships

Have a look at this link.  It is useful for clarifying how many of each type are to be built, where they will be stationed, what functions they are to perform and even which vessels are to be replaced.  The really good info can be found by following the four links under the heading "Fact Sheets"

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/newsrel/2007/hq-ac16_e.htm

George
 
Newfin: Thanks, very helpful.

The CBC story I quoted
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2007/04/12/coast-guard.html

missed the third fishery science (research) vessel, since with the hovercraft the total number of acquisitions is 17, not 16 as CBC reported.  They simply did not report Minister Hearn's announcement accurately (surprise).
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/newsrel/2007/hq-ac15_e.htm

Mark
Ottawa
 
whiskey601 said:
The specs for the PB's are different than what the CIO for the CCG stated. He also didn't say anything about ships for the RCMP, but such vessels make sense. I have a hard time believing a 40 metere ship will have space for only 14!!!

The thing about space for only fourteen is because the rcmp are demanding that their officers all have single cabins , they want a fridge in each as well as a flat screen monitor with nav inputs from the bridge and for tv use and sink , each cabin will be separated by a single washroom/shower. The CCG officers will also have to have their own cabin if the rcmp do, so that is why they will have space for only 14. It also eats up space when every surface in the vessel must be panelled or covered with something to hide wiring /piping etc. THey could probably save 100million in total if they cut back on the carpeting,interior finishings /leather couches for the officers etc.
 
Tach9 said:
I don't believe that the Coast Guard should have theability to be armed or carry guns. They should be for search anfd rescue and not prevent people from coming to our fishing grounds. how can we keep our reputation as a peace-loving country that welcomes all immigrants if we are stopping people at the boarders!

We should be expanding our helthcare rather than arming the coast guard, or the police.

It's not about stopping immgration, it's stopping illeagle overfishing in canadian waters by foreign fishing fleets that don't abide by canadian catch limits. And yes the coast guard ,as canada's federal on water presence 365 days a year in the great lakes and coastal regions should have law enforcement duties and be armed up to the task at hand.
 
STONEY said:
The Coast Guard is already an amalgamation of several other government fleets. The Dept. of Transport ice breaking fleet, Marine Aids to Navigation fleet,Search &Rescue cutter fleet,  RCMP marine division fleet, Canadian Hydrographic Service fleet, Dept. of Fisheries research fleet and dept. of fisheries enforcement fleet . These services all cost money and it has been gov. policy to make services user pay or unload them to private sector just as they have unloaded the country's airports and harbours & ports. The trouble is that not all services can be made to make a profit so they will fade into oblivion like many small airports & harbours.
 
The Coast Guard is not an amalgamation of other fleets , at one time is was under control of Transport Canada , The fleet consists of ships dedicated to SAR , Aids to Nav work/ice breaking, when the merger with dfo happened science along with fishery patrols was added by changing the dfo fleet over to Coast Guard, Coast Guard has always done hydro graphic work for CHS and the CCG has nothing to do with the rcmp marine division they are there own unit, we are not amalgamated with them.
 
gunnz23 said:
The Coast Guard is not an amalgamation of other fleets , at one time is was under control of Transport Canada , The fleet consists of ships dedicated to SAR , Aids to Nav work/ice breaking, when the merger with dfo happened science along with fishery patrols was added by changing the dfo fleet over to Coast Guard, Coast Guard has always done hydro graphic work for CHS and the CCG has nothing to do with the rcmp marine division they are there own unit, we are not amalgamated with them.

If you go back farther (early- to mid-20th century) the Coast Guard was established out of other existing fleets.  More recently it was amalgamated with the DFO fleet when the CCG moved from Transport to Fisheries and Oceans.
 
There was the department of Marine transportation, it and most of the RCAF crashboats fleet were turned into the CCG in 1964.
 
I realize it was the dept of transport , before that the services that the coast guard now provide were provided by the dept of marine and fisheries. What I was trying to get across is that there was certain fleets that were listed that coast guard has never been part of to date.
 
A little history
http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/usque-ad-mare/main_e.htm

When they combined the white, grey and red fleets, there was much gnashing of teeth, everyone suffered, although the level of crew training and personal equipment improved on the old Fisheries boats under the CCG fleet polices. I remember when we tied up alongside the Sinclair. My buddy who was decking on her showed us their cruiser suits and lifejacket, not much more than tattered rags, I told my Capt, who took a look and then he called the Marine Inspectors who ordered the ship tied to the dock until they replaced the gear. DFO treated their crews like dirt.
 
Good grief!  The government can't even run a ship-building competition (shared in accordance with the "fair dealing" provisions, Section 29, of the Copyright Act):
http://thechronicleherald.ca/print_article.html?story=849097

The delivery of new ships for the coast guard has been delayed by about nine months.

Ottawa announced in April plans to build new midshore patrol vessels that would be based in British Columbia and Nova Scotia.

"The midshore patrol vessel contract was cancelled, and that is for the acquisition of eight midshore patrol vessels," said Canadian Coast Guard spokesman Dan Bate.

"Public Works identified some issues that needed some clarification and those were strictly around the evaluation criteria in the contract."

The ships, which were supposed to be delivered in 2009, are now slated to arrive in 2010, he said.

The request for proposals closed in March, but none of the four bidders complied with the government’s mandatory requirements, Public Works spokeswoman Lucie Brosseau said in an e-mail.

"Review of the four proposals that were received showed that there was a common problem with bidders demonstrating compliance with the government’s mandatory requirements. This, in turn, would have resulted in all of the bids being declared non-compliant. (In other words, we had not clearly articulated our mandatory requirements in our RFP [emphasis added]). These are specialized vessels with unique requirements and they are not simple off-the-shelf purchases, both in terms of technical specifications and in terms of value of the purchase."

The federal government cancelled the existing procurement process July 13. An industry briefing will be held Aug. 2.

"A new procurement process will be launched once an in-depth review of the request-for-proposal documents is completed," [emphasis added] Ms. Brosseau said. "It is anticipated that a contract will be awarded in early 2008."

Mark
Ottawa


 
There is a short 2 minute piece on the CBC website stating that the government has included in the budget over $700 million to replace the CCGS Louis St. Laurent which is due to be decommisioned by 2017.  I find it amazing that in our times the government can decide to spend that kind of money and it barely recieved any attention.  I'm happy but surprised.

Also, has anyone heard any news if the Mid-shore patrol vessel project is ready for re-tendering?  September 11, 2001 was 6 and a half years ago and we still have not issued a contract to buy ships for the Coast Guard and RCMP to patrol the Great Lakes with.  God help us if we ever find ourselves in a full-scale war.
 
The last post by MarkOttawa was just over a year ago and at that time the government was saying that they would reissue the tender in 9 months.  I have looked on the Net and have not found anything.  Has anyone here heard any news on these 12 ships for the Coast Guard?
 
Newfin: This was the plan at the end of March, 2007:
http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/rpp/0708/fo-po/fo-po03-eng.asp#Major_Crown

Major Milestones

Major Milestones Date
Preliminary Project Approval (PPA) August 2005
Price and Availability September 2005
Letter of Interest to Pre-qualified Suppliers October 2005
Effective Project Approval (EPA) June 2006
Requisition from CCG June 2006
Issue Request for Proposal November 2006
Contract Award May 2007
Commence Construction of First Vessel May 2007
First Vessel Delivery August 2009
Delivery of 4 Maritime Security Vessels and 4 Fleet Renewal Vessels May 2011

From the equivalent 2008-2009 document:
http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/rpp/2008-2009/inst/dfo/dfo01-eng.asp#Table_1_4

Despite some procurement process difficulties in 2007-2008, a new Request for Proposal was issued in December 2007 for the eight mid-shore patrol vessels approved in Budget 2006. The Coast Guard will finalize procurement strategies for the new vessels approved in Budget 2007 (four additional mid-shore patrol vessels, one offshore fisheries science vessel and one offshore oceanographic science vessel) and begin the procurement process in 2008-2009. The delivery of the first mid-shore patrol vessel is targeted for 2009-2010. Similarly, the first new offshore fisheries science vessel is expected to be delivered in 2011.

From the December 2007 RFP:
http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/dpr-rmr/2006-2007/inst/dfo/dfo10-eng.asp

Progress Report and Explanations of Variance: An RFP for MSPV detailed design and construction was issued 8 Nov 2006. Federal Budget 2007 approved funding for 4 additional vessels for C&P, for a total of 12 vessels. Proposals from Industry have been received and are under evaluation. Delays have been caused by the extended period required for evaluation due to clarifications required by the evaluation team.

At the same time the same page has under "Major Milestones":

Contract Award  Oct 2007 [!!! emphasis added]
Commence Construction of First Vessel April 2008
First Vessel Delivery Oct 2009
Delivery of 4 Maritime Security Vessels and 8 Fleet Renewal Vessels May 2011

Go figure, but things sure don't seem to be going anywhere fast.

Mark
Ottawa
 
I am pretty sure there has been no contract handed out to any yard yet as there has been some legal disputes on the past now cancelled tendering process. That legal stuff must be cleared before they can hand a contract to another yard. Yeah I'll believe 2010 when I see one sailing past. 
 
Back to the drawing board:
http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/threads/78466/post-747363.html#new

"[The Conservative government] has also cancelled a tender call for the purchase of 12 mid-shore patrol ships for the Coast Guard."

Mark
Ottawa
 
Mid-shore patrol vessels--fewer, less capable, more delivery slippage (usual copyright disclaimer):

To cut costs, coast guard considering fewer, slower ships
Tories scrapped original order for 12 ships when bids came in high

http://thechronicleherald.ca/NovaScotia/1078086.html

The coast guard is considering buying 10 mid-shore patrol vessels instead of the dozen originally planned to reduce costs.

It’s also looking at a cost-cutting measure that would mean the ships get slower as they age.

"They are looking for ways to make the project more affordable," a source involved in the project said Wednesday.

"Have we asked for too much? Have we given the vessels too many bells and whistles?"

The Conservative government quietly scuttled a plan last month to build 12 mid-shore patrol vessels for the coast guard. Bids had been received for that program, but they exceeded the anticipated $340-million cost, according to Public Works.

Estimates from shipyards interested in building the vessels were between 30 and 40 per cent higher than that price, said the source.

"So you need a lot of savings."

The Tories are still promising the ships will be built, but now experts are looking at ways to shave money off the project.

One possibility would be to change the specifications for the propulsion systems, said the source.

The coast guard had asked the ships operate at their peak speed at 90 per cent power when they are new. Changing that to 100 per cent would mean the vessels would be cheaper to build. But they would also get heavier when more equipment is inevitably added, said the source. Without the extra power in reserve, that means the vessels would slow as they age.

"Each time you add weight, it slows the boat down," said the source.

Three companies, including Irving Shipbuilding, were interested in building the vessels.

Eight of the coast guard patrol vessels were announced in the federal 2006 budget and four were part of the 2007 budget. They were to be up to 43 metres in length and travel at speeds up to 46 km/h.

They were meant to provide criminal and fisheries enforcement, monitor and patrol the ocean and protect sovereignty.

They were to have a crew of eight to 10 and carry RCMP or Department of Fisheries and Oceans enforcement officers.

The first of the new ships were to go into service in 2009 and the remaining in regular intervals up to 2014.

Now it’s looking like if the project does go ahead, the first ship won’t be ready until 2011, said the source.

"You might get them in 2010, but there’s reality, too," said the source.

The coast guard offered no comment by late Wednesday on questions about the proposed changes...

Mark
Ottawa

 
Here are some links to follow regarding the awarding of this contract.  It looks like 12 ships became ten and eventually nine.  It does not say if the capabilities were reduced to stay within budget.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/coast-guard-to-be-beefed-up-with-nine-new-ships/article1274099/

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/1140758.html



Here's the official news release

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-eng.do?crtr.sj1D=&mthd=tp&crtr.mnthndVl=&nid=478909&crtr.dpt1D=&crtr.tp1D=1&crtr.lc1D=&crtr.yrStrtVl=&crtr.kw=&crtr.dyStrtVl=&crtr.aud1D=&crtr.mnthStrtVl=&crtr.yrndVl=&crtr.dyndVl=

And here's the backgrounder with a small photo

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/media/back-fiche/2009/hq-ac36-eng.htm
 
New vessels ordered for Canadian Coast Guard

http://www.marinelog.com/DOCS/NEWSMMIX/2009sep00032.html

September 3, 2009

New vessels ordered for Canadian Coast Guard
Canada has now placed the much anticipated contract for the Canadian Coast Guard's new mid-shore patrol vessels.

Originally it was planned that this would be a 12 ship program. However Canadian government planners hit an obstacle familiar to their American counterparts--shipbuilders wanted more money for the ships than the government wanted to pay.

A new draft RFP for the program was issued February 26 and comments were received from 9 companies. A revised RFP--still for 12 vessels--was issued on April 1.

Yesterday, Canadian ministers announced that a C$194 million contract for nine new mid-shore patrol vessels has been awarded to Irving Shipbuilding Inc., based in Halifax, Nova Scotia.

Preliminary work on the vessels is to begin immediately. The first vessel should be ready for service in 2011. All nine vessels will be delivered by 2013.

Halifax Shipyard estimates up to 155 people will be employed by the project over the next four years. For the greater Halifax community this means an added $35 million in payroll. As well, the company estimated that approximately 50 local Nova Scotian suppliers will benefit from about $32 million in purchases of local goods and services. This is in addition to 130 estimated suppliers from the rest of Canada.

The new mid-shore patrol vessels will replace existing vessels nearing the end of their life expectancies. Five of the vessels will be used primarily to support Department of Fisheries and Oceans conservation and protection programs in the Maritimes, Quebec and Pacific Regions.

The other four vessels will be used in a joint program with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to enhance the maritime security along the Great Lakes - St. Lawrence Seaway system.

Nova Scotia premier Darrell Dexter said yesterday that the province is providing Irving Shipbuilding a C$12.2 million performance guarantee through its Industrial Expansion Fund. He said the contract will provide 50 Nova Scotian suppliers with the opportunity to bid on goods and services totalling $32 million.

Nova Scotia has a long history of working together with Irving Shipbuilding. All partnerships with Irving have been successful resulting in major economic benefits for Nova Scotia.

Yesterday's various announcements were light on technical details, but the RFP's were for medium sized vessels of 37 Ð 43 m that can operate up to 120 nm offshore on a 24/7 watch-keeping basis for up to 14 days. The RFP's called for a top speed of at least 25 knots an carriage of two RHIB's.

The RFP's called for a steel monohull based on an exist-ing proven parent design that has been used in the construction of vessels that have been in service for a minimum of two years and a minimum of 1,000 hours in-service operation. As this requirement concerns the procurement of goods to be used for the national security of Canada, a National Security Exception [NSE] has been invoked, and as such trade agreements do not apply.

Although Canadian official sources have not said much about the parent design, and only released the tiny little graphic in the insert, two hawk eyed Marine Log readers recognized it as a Damen Stan Patrol 4207. Among agencies using it are the Albanian Coast Guard and the U.K. Border Agency (created in its present form in 2008).

Four of the agency's five cutters are Stan Patrol 4207 vessels, built by Damen Shipyards in Holland, and commissioned at a rate of one a year, in 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004. At 42 m long and with a top speed of more than 26 knots, says the agency "this vessel boasts sophisticated surveillance and navigation equipment. It can accommodate up to 16 crew and can remain at sea for long periods in heavy weather conditions."

Each of the U.K. cutters can deploy a 7.4 m RHIB.


MOTOR LIFEBOATS, TOO

No mystery as to the parentage of five 47 ft motor lifeboats that Victoria Shipyards Co. Ltd. is to build for the Canadian Coastguard under a Canadian $19.6 million contract announced Monday.

These vessels will be the latest additions to the existing fleet of 31 47-foot motor lifeboats, introduced to the Canadian Coast Guard in 1999 and later. The basic design was obtained from the U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) following their extensive testing. The USCG design was modified to best fit the needs of the Canadian Coast Guard.

Funding for the five new vessels is provided under Canada's Economic Action Plan.

The new vessels will be used by the Canadian Coast Guard for Search and Rescue operations across the country. Two of the vessels will be based in British Columbia and one each in Ontario, Quebec and Nova Scotia.
 
This is being discussed already in the [ I've merged them- Bruce] forum. Keep in mind, the Canadian Coast Guard is not part of the Navy, they are a civilian government organization.
 
The 47' are a great design, the US Coast Guard designed some very good small boats mainly as they took in a lot of input from their crews.
 
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