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New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

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I guess this is s dumb question. The new CSC will have the 2 x twim 13 inch torpedo launchers for the Mk54. Why is it that surface ships can not carry the much bigger Mk48? I get the Mk54 matches the helicopter dropped units.

I have not understood this. If the opposing sub has a MK48 or the like and the ship has one too, would then not even things up a bit?
With the size of the MK48 and the launch requirements you would need tubes mounted below the water line.
 
Just finished mine warfare CRR today. Our CO was on Vancouver off the coast of Libya when the HMS went hot on a mine. The ship stood off 6km from the mine and they brought in a UK team to destroy it. The mine exploded and the entire ship shook, from 6km away.

So yah, heavyweight torps do cool things like crack your ship in half, but also ensure that your shin and thigh bones are co-located. So survival stations might be a problem.
 
Just finished mine warfare CRR today. Our CO was on Vancouver off the coast of Libya when the HMS went hot on a mine. The ship stood off 6km from the mine and they brought in a UK team to destroy it. The mine exploded and the entire ship shook, from 6km away.

So yah, heavyweight torps do cool things like crack your ship in half, but also ensure that your shin and thigh bones are co-located. So survival stations might be a problem.
I see that you too have read Sharks and Little Fish…
 
I see that you too have read Sharks and Little Fish…
OMG that's an amazing pull of a reference. I have read it, but didn't realize I internalized that image until you just pointed it out. That book was so visceral at times I was actually sick to my stomach.
 
OMG that's an amazing pull of a reference. I have read it, but didn't realize I internalized that image until you just pointed it out. That book was so visceral at times I was actually sick to my stomach.
Yeah, the sea gull scene was not good…
 
With the size of the MK48 and the launch requirements you would need tubes mounted below the water line.
Ok but that is not out the ability to do with engineering. I guess there is point in not doing it as I see no navy one does it today. I was wondering the reasons as just a torpedo to torpedo fight it would even the odds.
 
We don't have enough airborne ASW assets to even the odds. Where the hell is that decision on the MMA (aka "get the F******g P8 NOW!)
Airbus just announced the go ahead for the A320 or Dassault based MPA. So there will need to be a little more waiting.


A Boeing is a non starter
 
Politics trumps common sense...
Doesn't it.
What Is This Wtf GIF by HxHippy
 
Why?
That is just bloody stupid if the GoC is still butt hurt about that little Bombardier/Boeing tussle.
It's not just GoC it's Quebec Inc. Bigger aerospace tragically than the Arrow. It will be decades.
 
Update on 2022 and 2023 from Seaspan A YEAR-IN-REVIEW: IT'S FULL SPEED AHEAD FOR ALL THREE SEASPAN SHIPYARDS IN 2023 - Seaspan

I was at VDC last night, man they are busy, overflowing parking lot with 5 vessels in at once including the Metakala barge that went aground late last year and needs major hull work. Plus a C-Class ferry, big US tug, and two CCG vessels.



Plus they flipped a heavy block for the new science vessel

 
Airbus just announced the go ahead for the A320 or Dassault based MPA. So there will need to be a little more waiting.


A Boeing is a non starter
You’re getting the P-8, it’s not up for debate.
That was a decision made for you down here.
 
You’re getting the P-8, it’s not up for debate.
That was a decision made for you down here.


Oooh! I do so love an authoritarian Democrat! It gives me chills and all tingly up my leg.

FMG.
 
You’re getting the P-8, it’s not up for debate.
That was a decision made for you down here.
I’d be surprised if they purchased the P-8. Peer pressure is a shitty reason for buying military equipment. My read is that the Americans want something that works and does the job.

Also the P-8 will close before we buy it,


And I don’t t think the P-8 will fill the role from the CMMA buy and sell.

 

A little more information on the multi purpose vessels for the CCG

Aker ARC 146
length 99.9
beam 20.3
draught 6.2
8500 tonnes
PC 4
 

A little more information on the multi purpose vessels for the CCG

Aker ARC 146
length 99.9
beam 20.3
draught 6.2
8500 tonnes
PC 4
Almost double the tonnage, thanks to an increase in length and beam, but same draught

Current 1100 class
25 crew
Gross tonnage 3809.1
83m L
16m B
6m D
Range 14,000nm
15kts max

 
I’d be surprised if they purchased the P-8. Peer pressure is a shitty reason for buying military equipment. My read is that the Americans want something that works and does the job.

Also the P-8 will close before we buy it,


And I don’t t think the P-8 will fill the role from the CMMA buy and sell.

The Americans want something that works and does the job, absolutely. But the Americans also prefer money to flow to American companies - and it’s an American company that current has a product that works well & does the job well.

(Slight distraction but relevant…wasnt it a Canadian squadron that’s won some trophy the last few years in a row on some ASW exercise?)


Usually peer pressure is a shitty excuse to buy military kit. But in this case, I don’t know that it is…

Regardless of what wizardly we park into an Aurora, the airframes themselves are just old. We could pack them full of the most high tech kit on the planet, it doesn’t change the fact that the aircraft themselves are decades old.

We are getting the P8 as things currently stand, I believe. Minister Arcand even made some reference to it a few weeks back, with media outlets buzzing about 8-12 aircraft to be procured.



*I would love it if Canada had a solution so that funds could be spent in Canada. Most of us would, absolutely.

But Bombardier hasn’t taken the initiative to design, test, or market an ASW or CMMA aircraft to the point it could be marketed as a state of the art platform at a more reasonable cost…which is a shame since Bombardier just won ‘Top Business Jet’ manufacturer worldwide

The GlobalEye was a bizjet based aircraft that could have filled the role, but without much global interest currently in that niche, it hasn’t gone anywhere minus the few aircraft that were/are in service.
 
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