New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy
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Meh. My last time posted to Toronto we had an engine room fire, and five hour blackout in the same day. Still managed to get the missile off the next day anyways.
No one hurt is great though. Always a concern even for a small fire.
Fires are like car accidents. Not a problem until it is a problem.
No one hurt is great though. Always a concern even for a small fire.
Fires are like car accidents. Not a problem until it is a problem.
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And the Aiviq sits in Tampa still, maybe there really are multiple design flaws as was suggested that are keeping the US and Canada from putting it to work
So we're adding another medium icebreaker to the fleet to add to the 3 Vikings and 4 Pierre Radissons. That seems like a substantial increase in capability, even with the increased time in refits that might be required to keep all the ships going until Davie completes the 6 medium icebreakers they are supposed to build. Speaking of which we're coming up on two years since that announcement and still no official agreement. I know Covid but still?
edit: I guess this newest addition should be classed as a light icebreaker?
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Weinie
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A throw away quote at the bottom of this link. So the PM has made his stance known WRT SSN's
"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said Canada has no plans to acquire nuclear submarines of its own and dismissed the deal involving the United States, Australia and the United Kingdom as only being about selling defence hardware."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/indo-pacific-aquilino-warning-1.6257200
"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said Canada has no plans to acquire nuclear submarines of its own and dismissed the deal involving the United States, Australia and the United Kingdom as only being about selling defence hardware."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/indo-pacific-aquilino-warning-1.6257200
FJAG,
How fast we forget previous governments:
How fast we forget previous governments:
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This is a fire the PM doesn't want to start with a minority gov't. This is a majority gov't type decision. He's dismissing it so it goes away and he can focus on winning a majority in the face of rising inflation and the US "buy union, buy America" car policies.
Bigger fish to fry. I'll wait out until a decision point is reached regarding the submarines.
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The comment wasn't designed to be accurate. It was designed to bury the issue with the Canadian press and voters.
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So another 20 years?
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Naïve isn't a strong enough word anymore.
Agreed. This was wilful. And a problem.
'Almost a melding' of US, UK, Aussie services coming: NSC's Kurt Campbell - Breaking Defense
The context for President Biden's almost four-hour discussion Monday night with President Xi Jinpeng, Kurt Campbell said, is "that the United States is here to stay in the Indo-Pacific, and we're going to defend and support the operating system that has been so good for so many of us for many...
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On the other hand the Blue Suiters have always seemed to exploit the opportunities afforded by working out of sight of their capital cities.
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Vancouver Dry Docks is just one part of Seaspan
Seaspan has added the Polar icebreaker and the Multi-purpose vessel to their website under the heading "Ships Under Contract". That's the first I have heard that contracts have been signed for these vessels, with either Seaspan, or Davie (Polar #2). Some good information here, especially for the Polar.
nss.seaspan.com
Building Ships - Seaspan
nss.seaspan.com
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Price is skyrocketing.
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The price of vote buying:
The resulting cost is then distributed over the projected lifetime of the polar icebreakers project. We then inflate the distributed costs using the PBO’s projected CPI and shipbuilding-specific inflation and add them to the already incurred expenses of the icebreaker project. Finally, we apply an escalation factor of approximately 41.4 percent in order to account for the inclusion of an additional shipyard.
The resulting cost is then distributed over the projected lifetime of the polar icebreakers project. We then inflate the distributed costs using the PBO’s projected CPI and shipbuilding-specific inflation and add them to the already incurred expenses of the icebreaker project. Finally, we apply an escalation factor of approximately 41.4 percent in order to account for the inclusion of an additional shipyard.
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So over $3 billion each for an ice breaker, the fact no one will bat an eye lash over accountability for the project is scary, and dangerous.
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In a perfect world, you'd have both Arctic icebreakers built by the same yard, using the same design, with presumably commensurate savings from doing so. Since it's been determined that either the schedule or perhaps dearth of voting being spread out in the most satisfactory manner (to the G's way of thinking), I wish that they had both been given to Davie and a 3rd AOR had been allotted to Seaspan by way of compensation.
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That's the opposite of what it is. It's not really about selling hardware at all. It's about Australia locking in US and UK support as regional defense allies. Australia cannot stand alone against China, and a nuclear deal all but forces the US/UK to stay involved. For the US vice versa. They get an ally that is in the perfect position to always box in China across the Straits of Malaca.
Not a dig at Trudeau though. No politico (even Australian ones) will say those words out loud. To realpolitik and it would set China off. Trudeau is dismissing it in the best way he can as a sound bite.
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