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Motion M-103 coming up (split fm Politics in 2017)

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OPINION:'Useful idiots' line up to support M-103
Tarek Fatah
Tuesday, March 07, 2017, 7:48 PM

The term “useful idiot” has been attributed to the Russian revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, who toppled the czar in October, 1917.

Lenin’s exact word in Russian was “simpleton” to describe people in the West who served his purpose, but were neither truly aware of who was using them, nor the cause they served.

On Sunday, a blatant exhibition of “useful idiots” was on display at Toronto City Hall.

This time, they came not to serve Trotsky’s Fourth International, the Sandinistas or the Viet Cong.

This time they came to serve the cause of Islamofascism.

White youths in bandanas and facemasks roughed up Canadians, including their Muslim Canadian allies, who were protesting Liberal MP Iqra Khalid’s “Islamophobia” motion, M-103.

Among the bullied victims of the supposed anti-racist activists, who included communists and Arab Islamists, were Muslim Canadians who were pushed and kicked, their placards seized and torn, with close-up pictures of them taken by a counter protester.

“We fear our pictures were being taken to be passed on to the Pakistani Consulate in Toronto,” said Imtiaz Baloch, a small business owner who escaped Islamic tyranny three decades ago.

Said another protester named Ahmad: “I escaped Pakistan because of the jihadist threat there to liberal values. I never thought that the (jihadi) mindset I escaped, would chase me to Canada.”

Most media did not report on this bizarre nexus of communists working hand-in-hand with Arab Islamists and white anarchists.

Zaffar Jawaid, from Pakistan-occupied Balochistan said: “I have lived in peace in Canada for the last 20 years. All that changed for me on March 4, 2017 in Toronto when I decided to join the peaceful protest at the Toronto’s City Hall against Motion-103, to stop (it) from becoming a law in Canada.”

Jawaid says he had a placard that read “my fears are not irrational” when “suddenly I felt a shove on my back and was pulled back by a police officer.

“You can’t go in there” the officer said. “But that’s where I belong,” I replied.

Another Baloch protester against M-103 told me in an email: “My worst fears had come true. I was reliving the fearful days of the military-jihadist campaigns on the streets of Pakistan, and this time in Toronto.”

An Iranian who escaped the Islamist Ayatollah regime told Rebel Media:

“I am a political refugee from Iran. I’ve been to prison and I have lived under Islamic law and I know how it starts and I know how it ends. For some reason, it always starts with some unity between the left and Islamists and it scares me. I came here to be free. I chose Canada to live in a free country and I am beginning to feel scared.”

Khalid, who is the sponsor of M-103, has largely avoided the media, other than to say in Parliament that she has received Islamophobic, racist and threatening messages from opponents of M-103.

But where are the voices of Liberal Muslim MPs who know about the tyranny of Islamism, such as federal Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen and Liberal MP Ali Ehsassi?

Gentlemen, now is the time to show real character and integrity and to stand up against the agenda of the Muslim Brotherhood and Jihadi Islamism.

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OPINION:  Editorial:  Canadians like values and dislike M103
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First posted: Monday, March 13, 2017 08:53 PM EDT | Updated: Monday, March 13, 2017 08:59 PM EDT

Two new public opinion polls underscore the concerns Canadians have about Muslim integration and immigration in Canada.

First of all, Forum Research has found that only 14% of people support M-103, Liberal MP Iqra Khalid’s anti-discrimination motion that singles out Islamophobia.

The majority of respondents instead want the wording changed so that it either doesn’t single out an individual religion, or names all of them. As listing every religion practiced by Canadians would be a maddening exercise, we opt for the first option.

Over the past few months, Liberal politicians and their backers in the media have tried to ram a narrative down Canadians’ throats that this motion is nothing to worry about. They’ve even gone to great lengths to ridicule its critics.

Clearly Canadians don’t care what their betters think. They reject this motion and we don’t blame them. The Liberals should have taken the laurel leaf extended by numerous Conservative MPs and revised its wording.

Meanwhile, a poll by Montreal-based firm CROP shows a full 75% of Canadians support some form of anti-Canadian values screenings for new immigrants to Canada.

The study, commissioned by the French-language division of CBC, doesn’t name Conservative leadership candidate Kellie Leitch, but her social media statements on Monday clearly show she feels vindicated.

As she should. This is another idea the liberal elites have worked overtime trying to tear apart. To us, it’s always been a no-brainer.

While we’d still like to know more about the logistics of it, the basic idea is hardly controversial. As Anthony Furey explained in a recent column, many northern European countries conduct such values screening measures.

The CROP poll also reveals 25% of Canadians support a ban on Muslim immigration. While we don’t support such a ban, this significant percentage highlights a troubling reality within Canadian public opinion.

Canada has a deserved reputation as a country where diversity, tolerance and respect are foundational parts of our way of life.

We risk eroding our culture both by failing to reach those who fear immigration from any group, and by failing to ensure those coming here understand the values of their new home.

Turning a blind or politically correct eye to either serves no one.

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Mar 23, 2017

Motion condemning Islamophobia easily passes in commons
http://www.680news.com/2017/03/23/motion-condemning-islamophobia-easily-passes-commons/
 
And now they're going to waste time and money on a committee thing to study the matter.  ::)
 
With recommendations, compensation, blame casting and population re-education programs already pre-determined.
 
Funny how what philosophy sees as a cautionary tale, another sees as an instuction manual
 
Was there cause to worry?  Is there still cause to worry?  I wonder.

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Citizenship in multicultural age
By Geoffrey Johnston
Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:38:22 EDT PM

Canadian parliamentarians this month are studying “Islamophobia” and “other forms of discrimination and racism.” The study flows from the passage of Liberal MP Iqra Khalid’s controversial M-103 resolution, which decries Islamophobia.

However, the resolution fails to define Islamophobia. Nor does it specifically mention any other forms of discrimination, such as anti-Semitism.

Despite what the extreme left in this country would have Canadians believe, anti-Semitism remains the most pervasive and pernicious form of hatred in Canada. The anti-Semitic BDS (boycott, divestment and sanctions) movement, which seeks to cripple and ultimately destroy the Jewish state of Israel, has spread across Canadian university campuses, intimidating many Jewish students.

Nevertheless, the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage is holding forth on Islamophobia, taking testimony from various witnesses. What the Trudeau government will do with the committee’s recommendations is anybody’s guess. However, it is possible that the Liberals could conceivably put forward legislation that grants Islam some form of protection from criticism, satire or ridicule — protections that no other religion in Canada enjoys.

Defamation of religion

For years, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have been actively working together at the United Nations to internationalize their odious blasphemy laws, which are used to stifle criticism of Islam. In addition, their blasphemy laws are used to persecute Christians, minority sect Muslims, writers, bloggers and thinkers.

Canada and the United States have always voted against so-called defamation of religion resolutions at the UN. But Saudi Arabia and Pakistan continue to press the community of nations to adopt Islamic-inspired limits on freedom of expression and speech.

As public debate over M-103 raged, Toronto Sun columnist Tarek Fatah, whose life has been threatened by Islamists in India, took to Twitter on Feb. 18 to pose a rhetorical question: “Why did Iqra Khalid MP meet the Pakistani High Commissioner to Canada before she tabled motion #M103 on Islamophobia?”

In some respects, many in the Canadian media already adhere to unacceptable limits placed upon the freedoms of speech and expression. The chilling effect of Islamist violence and political correctness is real.

For example, a decade ago, in the wake of a Danish newspaper’s publication of satirical cartoons that depicted Mohammad, the Muslim prophet, many Muslims took to the streets in different parts of the world to riot, causing death and destruction. Canadian media outlets were so intimidated by the violent displays that they refused to even show readers or viewers what all the fuss was about — even though the cartoons were the biggest news story in the world.

Only Ezra Levant’s Western Standard dared to publish the cartoons — for which he was dragged before a human rights body to defend his right to publish cartoons that some found offensive.

The massacre at the Paris offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in 2015 and the brutal murders of secular bloggers in Bangladesh and in other Muslim-majority countries demonstrate how far Islamists are willing to go to limit free speech and punish those who criticize Islam.

Last month, Mashal Khan, a journalism student at Pakistan’s Abdul Wali Khan University in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, was lynched by a mob of Islamists at that supposed institution of higher learning. Why did they murder him? Another student had accused the reportedly secular Khan of blasphemy.

Oppose bigotry

Let us be clear: there is no place for anti-Muslim bigotry, discrimination or persecution in Canada. Freedom of religion is a human right and should always be protected. And everyone has the right to practise their religion — as long as doing so does not infringe upon the rights of any other individual.

However, freedom of religion does not mean that religion is immune to analysis, criticism or satire. All religions, including Islam, should be subject to vigorous discussion. And if critics, writers, artists, poets or commentators choose to ridicule or satirize a religion or belief — so be it.

Of course, Muslims should also take a hard look at their own communities and their own bigotry toward other Muslims. What do you call it when Sunni Muslims persecute Shia Muslims, or vice versa? What do you call it when Sunnis and Shias persecute Ahmadi Muslims? What do you call it when a family from Afghanistan murders four female family members near Kingston because the victims wanted nothing more than to live as ordinary Canadian citizens?

Citizenship

Instead of studying Islamophobia, Parliament should examine what it means to be Canadian in the age of multiculturalism, mass migration and religious diversity. In fact, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau should study the writings of his late father, Pierre Elliot Trudeau, the principal architect of Canada’s multiculturalism policy.

The late prime minister was an erudite scholar who wrote extensively about the nation-state, multiculturalism and the notion of citizenship. The Essential Trudeau, edited by Ron Graham, is a collection of PET’s writings on various issues and political philosophy. And the 1998 book includes updated versions of articles Trudeau wrote in the 1960s.

Pierre Trudeau correctly drew a clear distinction between the sociological and political definitions of nation. In the sociological sense, the nation is an ethnic group, tribe or linguistic group. He cited French-Canadians as an example of a nation in the sociological sense.

In the political sense, Trudeau asserted that the nation was country or a people. For example, Switzerland is a nation and the Swiss are a people, even though they speak different languages.

Pierre Trudeau objected to mixing the nation in the political sense with the nation in the sociological sense. “The state must govern for the good of all the people within its boundaries,” he wrote. If the state starts to favour one ethnic, language or religious group, Trudeau believed that the nation-state would slide “from patriotic nationalism to ethnic nationalism.”

Trudeau, who was a law professor before entering politics, believed that “a state was better if it included many ethnic groups and governed for them all, not as a group but as individuals.” That promise formed the basis of his “belief in federalism and why the Charter of Rights insisted on the equality of individuals.” To avoid the “strident and chauvinistic” tone of nationalism, Trudeau believed “the liberal will strengthen the sense of nationhood by encouraging the growth of the national individual, and of the industries and cultural institutions through which he most effectively expresses himself.”

Nationhood is little more than a state of mind, Pierre Trudeau wrote. “The will of the people is in constant danger of dividing up — unless it is transformed into lasting consensus.” And Prime Minister Justin Trudeau should heed his father’s warning.

Forging a national consensus, asserted the elder Trudeau, is a “mysterious process” that must take into account history, language and other factors. “A consensus can be said to exist when no group within the nation feels that its vital interests and particular characteristics could be better preserved by withdrawing from the nation than by remaining within,” he argued. And he maintained that developing a national consensus is vital to national unity.

Multiculturalism

According to Pierre Trudeau, “the modern state is a pluralistic society whose citizens must come together on the basis of their citizenship.” And he believed that citizens must come together as individuals “with equal rights and mutual tolerance — not on the basis of their ethnicity or background or religion.”

If people cleave to their ethnicity or religion — and fail to come together as equal citizens — the modern pluralistic society becomes “a self-defeating principle,” he declared. In other words, newcomers must integrate into Canadian society as individuals and adopt Canadian civic values.

Long before he served as the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, Michael Ignatieff was a brilliant scholar, writing eloquent and penetrating books about human rights and ethnic nationalism. And he has never shied away from tough questions, including how to reconcile conflicting human rights demands.

“We cannot speak of rights as trumps,” Ignatieff wrote in his 2001 book Human Rights as Politics and Idolatry. “When political demands are turned into rights claims, there is a real risk that the issue at stake will become irreconcilable, since to call a claim a right is to call it nonnegotiable, at least in popular parlance,” he wrote.

According to Ignatieff, “compromise is not facilitated by the use of rights claim language.” And as Pierre Trudeau noted, consensus is vital to the notion of nationhood.

Ignatieff contends that discussions about rights create a common framework that helps citizens in conflict to “deliberate together.” From Ignatieff’s perspective, discussions about rights always require compromises, “sometimes painful compromises.”

The way forward

Political correctness and the timidity of the political class in promoting a national identity threaten Canadian nationhood. The policy of multiculturalism must serve the national consensus and reinforce civic values.

However, if every group turns the national discourse into a demand for rights, the nation will be ripped apart by competing claims that pit various ethnic groups and faith communities against each other. Meanwhile, Canadians with deep roots in this country could come to resent newcomers who demand that Canada change its ways and come to resemble some foreign society.

Both the left and the right have to stop yelling at one another and calling each other names. Now is the time for a rational, mature discussion of multiculturalism and citizenship.

To that end, Canadian citizenship should be based on civil values, which include liberal democracy, equality of the sexes, the freedoms of expression and speech, tolerance, and national service.

Follow Geoffrey P. Johnston on Twitter @GeoffyPJohnston

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I find the whole thing sad and ironic because I think if any of us were to pen the Koran in the modern era, maybe with the important identifiers changed, we could well be charged with authoring hate speech given what some sections say about non-believers (Jews in particular), homosexuals, women, etc.

And yes, I'll preemptively acknowledge that other religious texts are not without their intolerant flaws.

Point is, we should be able to have an intelligent, critical discussion about this without being in breach of the law.
 
jmt18325 said:
Lucky thing then, that M-103 wasn't a law.

You're right we need to wait until B-103 gets slid past for it to actually be illegal.  Only question is will it be something that's brought up for election vote purposes or afterwards.
 
That would be "C-103" (or whichever number is next, sequentially). "C" denotes a Commons bill, and "S" a Senate one.
 
Jarnhamar said:
You're right we need to wait until B-103 gets slid past for it to actually be illegal.  Only question is will it be something that's brought up for election vote purposes or afterwards.

You expect me to believe that the government that is finally removing Canada's blasphemy laws is going to make new ones?
 
Loachman said:
That would be "C-103" (or whichever number is next, sequentially). "C" denotes a Commons bill, and "S" a Senate one.

Right, thanks! I was just guessing B=Bill.

jmt18325 said:
You expect me to believe that the government that is finally removing Canada's blasphemy laws is going to make new ones?

Absolutely. Only it's not a blasphemy law (speaking ill of God or sacred things) but an anti-Islamophobia law.

Using someones wrong pro-noun is criminal in Canada, an anti-Islamophobia law is hardly a stretch of the imagination.
 
jmt18325 said:
No it's not.

It's not criminalized yet? 

Either way it soon will be and it's still not a stretch to see anti-islamophobia (which is apparently even just "disliking" Islam) put into a bill and law.
 
jmt18325 said:
You can't discriminate based on gender identity.  That's a totally different thing, I would think.

https://openparliament.ca/bills/42-1/C-16/
This bill has received Royal Assent and is, or will soon become, law.

It shows you the flavor Canadian laws are taking.

And soon criticizing, ridiculing and maybe even disliking (as per the common definition) Islam will be illegal.
 
I'm okay with a court being able to find against hate propaganda.  Hate speech hasn't been legal in Canada for a very long time.  Hate speech against Islam is already illegal.
 
jmt18325 said:
I'm okay with a court being able to find against hate propaganda.  Hate speech hasn't been legal in Canada for a very long time.  Hate speech against Islam is already illegal.

And when this motion turns into a bill Islamophobia will be illegal meaning criticizing, ridiculing or probably even disliking Islam will be illegal too.
 
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