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Great post Teabag good to hear it from your side and your generation. And I too fear for the future if this trend continues.
sm1lodon said:I wonder if there was some actual combat, if it would be so hard to retain people in the Navy.
sm1lodon said:I wonder if there was some actual combat, if it would be so hard to retain people in the Navy.
Ex-Dragoon said:We know that that is one of the risks when we get in the Navy, if it happens then it happens. Thwere are lots of reasons why we cannot retain people and most are found in the navy forums.
Halifax Tar said:or the 43rd round of the Kamloops house league minor pee wee hockey draft.
My worries are just that - worries. They creep up every so often while I carry out my daily routine but I try not to dwell too much on it. For example, I worry that my attitude and views may one day grow to reflect some of the exact same sentiments that have been expressed in this topic by various contributors. Many of the issues brought up were valid, to an extent, and are seemingly tangible obstacles to a more fulfilling, enjoyable military career. I cannot pinpoint exactly what changes need to happen; as an OD I follow my orders and keep my personal opinions to myself for the most part. Lack of personnel is a reality and not a concern for someone of my rank, but I can imagine that it will exacerbate job stress and fuel negativity among those currently serving.What exactly do you fear JC77 and Teabag? Is it the changes that need to happen that you fear? Or the lack of personnel?
Good point. How many personnel can admit that in the course of their careers they have never wanted to feel the thrill and anticipation of combat? You see it in the recruiting campaign all the time: Fight chaos. Fight fear. Fight with the Canadian Forces. It's an effective marketing tool that gives the impression that we are constantly and proactively engaging the enemy. (not that we're not...) Things are made that much easier when you can point a finger at someone to direct all your intentions. I have no doubt there are many who crave and are nourished by the thought of engaging a target. Who's to say if that constitutes a good reason to join the military? It's certainly none of my business - yet for some reason it makes me uncomfortable.I wonder if there was some actual combat, if it would be so hard to retain people in the Navy.
AgreedYou do not need actual combat for high morale. I highly doubt this is the reason for anyone leaving the Navy.
Halifax Tar said:Had interesting epulates off conversation with a LT(N) on my ship yesterday about retention and issues facing the navy, lets just say he didn't realize the dependence rank plays in quality of life on board ship VS in the field or on an Air Field.
HFXCrow said:Your last line ref C&PO's, could you elaborate?
HFXCrow said:I see the repetition of tasks at all levels a factor such as WUPS, OTT Cleaning stations (which are never good enough), Duty watches etc. etc. It is just nonstop plus all the admin (PDR's, Div Notes)
The ports are getting repetitive as well, with Norfolk, Boston, St John's the norm.
Our retention problem for the newer people to me is boredom.
NFLD Sapper said:And what's wrong with St. John's?
Pat in Halifax said:True, true - Best 'foreign port' going!! Actually, rec'd a brief from CCFL last week and I guess he directed the coordinator in the Starchamber at MARLANT to ban Norfolk from upcoming deployments. Options - Boston (HAL), Mayport (STJ??). I am sure Norfolk will find it's way in though.