Maritime Coastal Defence Vessels (MCDVs)

[Navy_Pete]

It appears that Orioles days are numbered, certainly no room for anything else like that. It simply doesn't represent todays RCN.

Thank F&%k for that, that yacht should have been paid off decades ago, it costs a fortune we don't have to maintain, and we had to spend money on it instead of keeping CFAV Quest going, which actually provided a unique capability for at sea testing that is a bit of a unicorn across NATO.

I just read that Davie is gearing up with ship designers to come up with a replacement design. They are going after the project apparently.

I'm sure they are, but it's not on the investment plan, there isn't even a hint of a project for it, and I don't think the CPCs will be as open to Davie's uh.... aggresive campaigning as the LPC was. The RCN might want it, and shipyards want to massively profit off it, but the GoC wanted AOPs so here we are.

 

[Stoker]

Thank F&%k for that, that yacht should have been paid off decades ago, it costs a fortune we don't have to maintain, and we had to spend money on it instead of keeping CFAV Quest going, which actually provided a unique capability for at sea testing that is a bit of a unicorn across NATO.

I'm sure they are, but it's not on the investment plan, there isn't even a hint of a project for it, and I don't think the CPCs will be as open to Davie's uh.... aggresive campaigning as the LPC was. The RCN might want it, and shipyards want to massively profit off it, but the GoC wanted AOPs so here we are.

I believe she's supposed to head into a extensive refit. The last refit when she came from the WC was millions. No appetite for the cost I assume.

 

[Navy_Pete]

I believe she's supposed to head into a extensive refit. The last refit when she came from the WC was millions. No appetite for the cost I assume.

Jesus, if we are underfunding the CPF refits by 9 figures, and not funding the MCDV refits at all, someone should get an emergency cranial rectal removal surgery if they push to fund the Oriole.

The refit before that one was also in the millions, and it was to bring the most egregious design flaws up to the bare minimum and meet SOLAS requirements that had been in place since the cold war. That's the one were the Oriole won of the Quest (which also needed a big refit, but at least provided genuine operational capabilities with the research you could do on it for things like ASW and EW).

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The reason why we have ships tied up right now because they don't meet SOLAS, thus the need to relocate two ships from the west coast to the east for NATO obligation's. These ships are additionally not warm weather platforms and yes we took them to West Africa however that came with all sorts of issues and I have first hand knowledge of that. We could repair them after doing major work and use them however no doubt the money saved could be reallocated to the Halifax Class.
Like mentioned before its lot about money and personnel savings and why no more refits are being authorized, that also means that ships that are being tied up will be locked up with no maintenance being done. Once you do that the condition of the ship will deteriorate quickly. In my opinion it would be foolish for any nation to take these on. I suspect this "offer" and I heard about this for about a year right now is the current government good ideas club.

This was a CCG buoy tender/icebreaker that was no longer fit for service. Turned into a expedition yacht. There is a market out there for ex-government ships to be converted to yachts and other vessels.
As for ITAR, I suspect that very little is ITAR controlled and I have seen just how much the Navy will strip out of a ship and the MCDV were built with as much commercial machinery as possible as I recall. Getting them recertified is merely a matter of money. I was helping out on an inspection of a new yacht built on this coast, the owner decided he did not like the brand new interior and had it replaced to the tune of 2 million in 1990 dollars.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

It appears that Orioles days are numbered, certainly no room for anything else like that. It simply doesn't represent todays RCN.

Now your just opening yourself up to a meme war...

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Noah has just published an update looking at the CMMC and some random thoughts on the project:

The CMMC Update

I REALLY debated skipping this discussion, but I'm the Corvette guy.

noahscornerofrandomstuff.substack.com

I don't envy the project team trying to explain the difference to a bunch of dry lander politicians between the River Class, the AOP's and this Corvette.

 

[Stoker]

Now your just opening yourself up to a meme war...

It was a utter waste of money when it was brought here and a utter waste of badly needed resources now. Why do you think there was no Lakes Trip for the Oriole last year.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

It was a utter waste of money when it was brought here and a utter waste of badly needed resources now. Why do you think there was no Lakes Trip for the Oriole last year.

I was referring to this: "It simply doesn't represent todays RCN"

Meanwhile a "Developing country" training ship.

 

[Stoker]

This was a CCG buoy tender/icebreaker that was no longer fit for service. Turned into a expedition yacht. There is a market out there for ex-government ships to be converted to yachts and other vessels.
As for ITAR, I suspect that very little is ITAR controlled and I have seen just how much the Navy will strip out of a ship and the MCDV were built with as much commercial machinery as possible as I recall. Getting them recertified is merely a matter of money. I was helping out on an inspection of a new yacht built on this coast, the owner decided he did not like the brand new interior and had it replaced to the tune of 2 million in 1990 dollars.

Again good ideas club and the Kingston Class is not like that all and not so easily converted to those purposes. The sea keeping qualities will be a great selling point I bet. If they were serious in offering them to the public then don't you think they would fix them up or even maintain them while alongside. At most the ships tied up will be stripped of parts to keep the others going.

 

[Stoker]

I was referring to this: "It simply doesn't represent todays RCN"

Meanwhile a "Developing country" training ship.

Different navies, different priorities. I didn't actually say what you quoted me either. That came from the actual decision makers. Perhaps Oriole will continue on as there is a cadre of zealots out there that would spend millions of dollars to keep it going.

 

[dapaterson]

Nothing wrong with Oriole that a few mk 46 warshots wouldn't solve.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Nothing wrong with Oriole that a few mk 46 warshots wouldn't solve.

Mk 46 is an ASW weapon….

 

[dapaterson]

Mk 46 is an ASW weapon….

I was assuming Chicoutimi was directly under Oriole, and would do an emergency ascent, crashing into Oriole and breaking her keel.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

She will be worth money to someone. But really she is to small for the task of training and being an ambassador ship.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Talking about the Orca's......

Navy's eight Orca-class vessels gather for historic exercise

All eight Orca-class vessels came together for a joint exercise on that extended into the Strait of Juan de Fuca

www.timescolonist.com

After reading this, I don't see why something similar can't be in place for trainee's/cadets on the Great Lakes from Thunder Bay to Quebec City - pollution violators - check, illegal fishing - check, people smuggling - check, gunrunning - check, drug running - check, training - check, showing the fag - check, creating awareness within the CDN people - check.

 

[Swampbuggy]

Talking about the Orca's......check, training - check, showing the fag - check, creating awareness within the CDN people - check.

Well, I don’t think you want to be promoting cigarette smoking, unless you meant something else???

 

[Czech_pivo]

Well, I don’t think you want to be promoting cigarette smoking, unless you meant something else???

LOL - I mean FLAG - I type to fast and rarely proof read and it shows.....

 

[calculus]

Noah has just published an update looking at the CMMC and some random thoughts on the project:

The CMMC Update

I REALLY debated skipping this discussion, but I'm the Corvette guy.

noahscornerofrandomstuff.substack.com

Interestingly, the VARD Vigilance website has updated the specs of that design (Flight 2 version) to include Mk70. The design can supposedly accommodate 4 x 40ft containers. So it looks like they have some visibility into what the RCN wants. I still don't think there is any way that ship will come in around 1000 tons with all that capability. Interestingly, while they have updated the design to include MK70, they have not deleted the ExLS cells. Curious and curiouser.

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