QV
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Certainly not the LPC or NDP, as the last decade as shown. I'd say CPC, PPC, or in fact Trump.
LPC leadership race - 2025
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Certainly not the LPC or NDP, as the last decade as shown. I'd say CPC, PPC, or in fact Trump.
QV
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I disagree. I'd say Canadians are centrist and PP is closest to the center than all other options. Canadians are subject to info ops that favors the LPC. Most of the things PP talks about are supported by most Canadians if they can get past the CBC propaganda.
It’s clear that the NDP took advantage of the position they had. Far better than being powerless in opposition.
But it may cost them to an extent. They’ve lost their union roots. Not sure they will be wiped out but they are going to take a hit.
MilEME09
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Sure, lets look at records from when Pierre was last in government vs the liberals.
Economy: Between 2006 and 2014 our GDP growth averaged less than 1%, and thats excluding the 3% contraction at the end of 2008/beginning of 2009. GDP growth excluding the covid drop and the 9% increase in Q3 2020, has consistent been averaging above 1% including a 2% increase in Q3 2021. Average wage growth on average has been higher under the current liberal government as well see the graph below of wage growth since December 2005. Thanks to trumps tariff threats, if they go ahead we could see a 3% or more economic contraction, before that we were on track for 1.4% growth, and according to the IMF the best performance in the G7 in 2025.
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Id tackle more topics but my break is only so long
Complete swing and a miss. Take a seat.
I don’t bring Poilievre up very much, and when I do I speak to a small handful of issues that I believe have significant substance. The vast majority of discussions about Poilievre on this site go without any participation from me, because there’s nothing I feel the need to chime in with.
You can speak for what you want. You’re clearly completely unable to speak for me, so don’t try.
IKnowNothing
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Did you actually write that with a straight face?
This what I wrote-
"As to the bold, I'm not "pissed off" at Pierre. I don't like the direction he's taken the CPC- and I'm worried that he's going to drop the ball that he opportunistically grabbed and piss away what should have been an absolute layup of an election."
My opinion of the relative strength of platforms is completely immaterial to a discussion of Poilievre's ability to capture the votes needed to win an election.
You can wait as long as you want- I'm here for a political discussion I can't get in my daily life, not to satisfy your need for an ecochamber.
says the guy who rage posts every time someone says that there is the small chance that PP might not be the second coming of jesus
IKnowNothing
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Fair. Rather than layup, could you agree to "most favourable electoral conditions for the CPC in more than a decade"?
agree with QV here, though I'd say it skews centre left depending on where your Overton window is.
The election will speak to that. He will wear victory or defeat, no copouts.
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IKnowNothing
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Ha. Touche.
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Your opinion is no less or more valid than anyone else's. It is definitely louder and more strident, but neither of those two qualities enhance the validity or supremacy of your opinion in any way.
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I was going to post over in the CPC thread in response to some of the comments about Carney, but realized this is the more appropriate place. On this forum, reading the comments of both ardent CPC supporters, and those who lean towards the LPC, one gets the impression that Mark Carney is the de facto winner of the Leadership race. Comments fly back and forth about MC vs PP and who will do what to the country if they win the next election.
What I haven't seen much of is, what happens if someone else wins the LPC leadership race? Not knowing who the actual voters for the LPC leader will be at the convention, I'm not sure what that outcome will look like. But if I put myself in the shoes of the stereotypical left leaning Liberal voter, who am I actually likely to vote for as my new leader? Is it the older white guy who everyone says comes from the same stock as the current PM, with the same supporters and advisors, or am I going to vote for a left leaning female who is trying to set themselves up as someone at odds with the former PM, and has a portfolio of work to show how they made life better for Liberal voters?
Its not like leadership races in the recent past have seen the front runner always come out on top right?
What I haven't seen much of is, what happens if someone else wins the LPC leadership race? Not knowing who the actual voters for the LPC leader will be at the convention, I'm not sure what that outcome will look like. But if I put myself in the shoes of the stereotypical left leaning Liberal voter, who am I actually likely to vote for as my new leader? Is it the older white guy who everyone says comes from the same stock as the current PM, with the same supporters and advisors, or am I going to vote for a left leaning female who is trying to set themselves up as someone at odds with the former PM, and has a portfolio of work to show how they made life better for Liberal voters?
Its not like leadership races in the recent past have seen the front runner always come out on top right?
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CPC are getting desperate with their attack ads. They think posting pictures of "normal guy" Mark Carney wearing $2000 while pretending to play hockey is going to dissuade LPC voters. Get real.
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But are they trying to dissuade Red voters - and if so, how realistic is that - or bring undecideds onside?
As for the value of ads, Team Blue spent a fair bit of money on showing off the leader a whlie back just before the Blue growth in all the polling. We'll see what sticks, and what doesn't.
Jarnhamar
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If anything pretending to play hockey in $2000 shoes should attract red voters
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I suspect much of that polling growth is attributed to Trump and the fact MC is not JT, it will stem some of the LPC bleeding, but is not likley to hold the swing voters. I doubt that it has staying power unless the CPC effs up. I think the first couple of months when Parliament is back in session is going to be telling. How does MC differentiae himself from JT without throwing most of the current LPC policies under the bus?
And how does MC perform without an actual seat in the house.
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Canada's first remote WFH PM?
Halifax Tar
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Fully agreed. I have a feeling that the LPC has a few hundred thousand new motivated voters, like myself, who aren't going to throw their support behind Carney.
How does that work ? Would he, or Ruby if she wins, sit in the gallery ?
Could sit in the Langevin block and watch via teams or whatever.
