Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????

[Altair]

ANOTHER bribe - The GoC and Manitoba have made an announcement that child care will cost $10 a day or less in Manitoba by 2026 under terms of some kind of agreement.

Over promise and never deliver should be the LPCs motto.

The national childcare plan was announced months ago.

We were even talking about it here.

Edit: during the budget talks in April.

 

[OldSolduer]

The national childcare plan was announced months ago.

We were even talking about it here.

This announcement was made today. Have a good one.

 

[Altair]

This announcement was made today. Have a good one.

The announcement was made today because the provinces have been in negotiations with the feds on how to fund it from the budget back in april.

 

[OldSolduer]

The announcement was made today because the provinces have been in negotiations with the feds on how to fund it from the budget back in april

Don't you find it a tad suspicious considering the election writ will most likely be dropped before the end of the month???

 

[Altair]

Don't you find it a tad suspicious considering the election writ will most likely be dropped before the end of the month???

The provinces have been negotiating terms with the feds since April.

Quebec announced a week ago, NS a month ago

 

[OldSolduer]

The provinces have been negotiating terms with the feds since April.

Quebec announced a week ago, NS a month ago

And just in time for the election. Give me a break.

Over promise and not deliver - like clean water for First Nations.

 

[Altair]

And just in time for the election. Give me a break.

Over promise and not deliver - like clean water for First Nations.

It was in the budget. We were talking about this in April.

Yeah, because it's frigging ridiculously expensive.

Sounds like you need universal childcare.

People should love this policy. It literally creates a bigger tax base.

Fertility rates and labour force participation among women in Quebec and Ontario

Using data from the Canadian Vital Statistics Birth Database and from the Labour Force Survey (LFS), this study examines the relationship between fertility rates and labour force participation among women aged 15 to 44 in Ontario and in Quebec between 1996 and 2016, two provinces that followed...

www150.statcan.gc.ca

• After four decades of similarity, fertility rates have been slightly higher in Quebec than in Ontario since 2005. In 2016, Quebec’s total fertility rate was 1.59 children per woman, while Ontario’s was 1.46.
• The difference was mostly driven by women in their twenties, who tend to have more children in Quebec than in Ontario. This is partly because the proportion of women in their twenties who are in a couple is higher in Quebec (39%, versus 28% in Ontario in 2016).
• As fertility rates increased in Quebec, the labour force participation of women aged 15 to 44 also increased, exceeding that of women in Ontario after 2003. In 2016, the participation rate of women was 81% in Quebec, compared with 75% in Ontario.
• Most of the relative increase in female labour force participation in Quebec occurred among women with young children. Between 1996 and 2016, the labour force participation rate of women whose youngest child was under the age of 3 increased by nearly 20 percentage points in Quebec, compared with a 4 percentage point increase in Ontario. The Quebec–Ontario difference was smaller among women without children under the age of 13.
• Changes in the composition of the population of women aged 15 to 44 and differences in real wage growth for this population do not explain the divergent trends observed in female labour force participation in Quebec and Ontario after 1996. At the same time, the costs associated with child care and housekeeping services grew less in Quebec than in Ontario over the period.

So take women, between the ages of 18-44, and have 81 percent working as opposed to 75 percent.

There are 6.77 million women between the ages of 18-44 in Canada.

Take out quebecs 26 percent of the population, 5m even, more or less.

so if 75 percent, going off ontarios numbers, are working, you have 3.75m women working.

bring that up to 81 percent, you're at 4 million.

250,000 more women. The national average salary in Canada is 54,600, so that's an extra 13.6 billion dollars in economic activity annually. Not including all the money saved by those who are dropping 20k a year on childcare.

I wonder if you feel this way about PEI,NS, NB.

 

[OldSolduer]

It was in the budget. We were talking about this in April.

Who pays for that.

Can you even fathom that the taxpayer - us - is stressed already, or will you blindly follow the LPC over the cliff.

 

[Altair]

Who pays for that.

Can you even fathom that the taxpayer - us - is stressed already, or will you blindly follow the LPC over the cliff.

Ugh, I'm not going over the costs versus societal benefits discussion again, read back over the conversations that were had at budget time.

I'm just saying that its not the feds just pulling this out of thin air, the money was allocated in the budget in April and the provinces have been discussing terms with the feds since then.

Manitoba now.

Quebec was last week.

Newfoundland was 2 weeks ago.

PEI was 3 weeks ago.

Nova Scotia and BC were a month ago.

So saying that the Manitoba announcement today was some election related thing is just incorrect.

Edit: Added Newfoundland.

 

[Remius]

And just in time for the election. Give me a break.

Over promise and not deliver - like clean water for First Nations.

It was announced as early as Nov 2020 I think.

Liberals take step on national child-care system, promise plan coming in 2021 budget

The federal government is proposing millions of dollars in new spending as a down payment on a planned national child-care system that the Liberals say will be outlined in next spring's budget.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[suffolkowner]

I think its a stupid expansion of the roleof government. $10 a day for something that costs what like $150?

 

[dapaterson]

Quebec's introduction of low-cost child care resulted in significant economic expansion.

 

[Altair]

Quebec's introduction of low-cost child care resulted in significant economic expansion.

Cue the Quebec hate in 3,2,1...

It's moot however.

It's in the budget, the money is allocated, the provinces are setting up their programs, or in the case of Quebec getting reimbursed for their existing one, and it would take a brave PM indeed to try to take that away from parents, from kids, and from the 10 provinces.

 

[Weinie]

Quebec's introduction of low-cost child care resulted in significant economic expansion.

But it hasn't resulted in demographic expansion, which is forecast to actually shrink in Quebec in the next fifty years or so, along with a significant increase in elderly persons, with their associated pension and medical costs. With a smaller tax base, they will have to cut somewhere, or tax the shyte out of Quebecers, and demand greater transfer payments.

This is a complicated economic game, that sees immediate gains in a sector, without realizing the significant knock-on effects. But all political platforms/decisions get framed in 4 year windows.

 

[Brad Sallows]

+Quebec's introduction of low-cost child care resulted in significant economic expansion.

Sure, it's so easy to tease cause and effect out of economic changes.

 

[dapaterson]

When in part it's driven by expansion of the female workforce, the correlation is quite strong.

 

[Weinie]

When in part it's driven by expansion of the female workforce, the correlation is quite strong.

But you can't suck and blow at the same time.

Demographics will factor in to future policy decisions

The Daily — Population projections: Canada, provinces and territories, 2018 to 2068

Today, Statistics Canada looks to the future with the release of a new edition of population projections for Canada and the provinces and the territories.

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[Remius]

If anything the pro life crowd should be cheering this.

 

[brihard]

It’s almost as if when you unlock the brains and industry of the half of your workforce that was traditionally kept at home child-rearing, good things can happen economically...

 

[Altair]

If anything the pro life crowd should be cheering this.

Pro life only cares while the life is in the womb, once its made it out, it had better start earning its keep.