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I'd like to see a full scale investigation of the interference in our electoral system to start.More importantly it requires a willingness to take a swing with, or without, a stick.
I'd like to see a full scale investigation of the interference in our electoral system to start.More importantly it requires a willingness to take a swing with, or without, a stick.
Not just the electoral system. That is just the tip of the iceberg.I'd like to see a full scale investigation of the interference in our electoral system to start.
Yup. Sad as F. Canada plays petty politics and dithers while the rest of an seemingly increasing unstable world starts to strap on the wraps and gloves and puts their mouthguards in. Hint, Canada, F-ing hint.This seems a fitting place
Canada on sidelines as U.S., Britain, Australia move ahead on new security deal
Canada's omission from a military pact involving three of its closest allies is symptomatic of a larger problem in how this country is perceived by its friends, experts are warning, as the U.S., Britain and Australia move ahead on their deal.www.ctvnews.ca
Maybe they just left us out to avoid the CAUKUS jokes :/This seems a fitting place
Canada on sidelines as U.S., Britain, Australia move ahead on new security deal
Canada's omission from a military pact involving three of its closest allies is symptomatic of a larger problem in how this country is perceived by its friends, experts are warning, as the U.S., Britain and Australia move ahead on their deal.www.ctvnews.ca
On one side, this is exactly the kind of program a big boy government would be joining and doubling the size of.This seems a fitting place
Canada on sidelines as U.S., Britain, Australia move ahead on new security deal
Canada's omission from a military pact involving three of its closest allies is symptomatic of a larger problem in how this country is perceived by its friends, experts are warning, as the U.S., Britain and Australia move ahead on their deal.www.ctvnews.ca
Everyone likes to mention the US stopping Canada from going Nuke. I’m curious as to where that comes from.On one side, this is exactly the kind of program a big boy government would be joining and doubling the size of.
On the other, given the fate of the Canada-class I do have to wonder if the geo-political situation has changed enough for the US to be onboard with us having nuc's, or if this program is contingent on Australia being the whole Pacific away with no stakes in the Arctic
I would too. We used to have a whole whack of them up in North Bay until papa Pierre turfed them in the early 70's. Kind of ironic that a Diefenbaker refused to install nucs but Pearson, the peace keeping guy campaigned on installing them and won only to have his successor turf them out again. I suspect the yanks were simply shaking their heads.Everyone likes to mention the US stopping Canada from going Nuke. I’m curious as to where that comes from.
The last time Canada looked at Nuke boats, you scuttled yourselves.
I find that to be a very unlikely occurrence.Attempts to negotiate with the United States were initially unsuccessful, as Canadian Defence Minister Perrin Beatty was "told in no uncertain terms by the U.S. Defense Department and submarine service officials that a Canadian nuclear submarine program was unnecessary and even unwelcome."[25]
I find that to be a very unlikely occurrence.
At the time of the Beatty White Paper, the USN (and DoD) was pushing for the RCN to get SSN, and it was Canada who walked back from the deal as unaffordable.
Your quote from the CA Defence Journal highlights it was Canada not the US that walked away.
Yes, but I think you would agree that there is a major difference between weapons and power plants.There is more to it than that. In the late 50s we had signed on to nuclear roles in Europe - with 1 Air Division adopting strike/reconnaissance and 1 SSM Battery RCA as a land nuclear delivery unit - and at home with RCAF Air Defence Command. We trained and converted our forces, but well into there early 60s had not taken over the roles and accepted the warheads which would have remained under US control. In other words, we had the kit, but without the warheads.
I remember the election well, and the subsequent acceptance of the roles, which we trained into the 70s. And, as a cold warrior, I am sort of glad my only military qualification i did not get to use, was nuclear weapons employment officer.
As in most things, not black and white.I find that to be a very unlikely occurrence.
At the time of the Beatty White Paper, the USN (and DoD) was pushing for the RCN to get SSN, and it was Canada who walked back from the deal as unaffordable.
Your quote from the CA Defence Journal highlights it was Canada not the US that walked away.
I find that to be a very unlikely occurrence.
At the time of the Beatty White Paper, the USN (and DoD) was pushing for the RCN to get SSN, and it was Canada who walked back from the deal as unaffordable.
Your quote from the CA Defence Journal highlights it was Canada not the US that walked away.
The US wanted to ensure that the SSN for Canada were made in the US.As in most things, not black and white.
Canada was ultimately responsible for the death of the Canada-class SSN
- There was major initial pushback, including promise to block the technology transfer - 1987
- Reagan is brought around by both a heavy push from Thatcher non wanting to lose the sale, and some easily inferred backroom concessions regarding how firmly we would assert sovereignty "The country is not expected to try to keep U.S. submarines from plying the Arctic waters, but rather to observe them". -1988 https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...eactors/46af5081-d70b-4c1b-993e-142b74fbd734/
- Canada dithers on the whole White Paper, project dies on the vine
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the US was opposed to the Canada having SSN capability independent from US strings that could have and was intended to oppose US interests in the Arctic, and was willing to throw their weight around to prevent it
are not mutually exclusive statements.
Hence musing about changes to the geo-political situation and the remoteness of Australia. There's no conflict of interest there. Given the history I think that any hypothetical Canadian involvement in AUKUS would have been limited to contributing to it's aims, not piggy-backing on it to build the fabled "three ocean Navy"
The US wanted to ensure that the SSN for Canada were made in the US.
Not Canada, and not the UK.
*The US controls the Uk program as well.
Neither the US nor Canada wanted Canadian SSBN.
Reagan and BMPM were pretty close, and Reagan saw that even if the UK built the boats, it was a win for the US and USN (and US nuc industry).
@daftandbarmy Would you accept friends with occasional benefits
I’m sure it would be less one sided if we where not also funding your national defense too…Sure, but I'm pretty certain that's a one way relationship