Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[OldSolduer]

I asked him what he was taught in school.

That the CAF did not exist before 1956 and that we are UN Blue Beret peacekeepers only.

 

[Kilted]

The youngest pers I checked on an incoming DP1 Sigs was 2003. We're all getting super old.

The youngest recruits we can get this year are from 2006.

 

[OldSolduer]

That the CAF did not exist before 1956 and that we are UN Blue Beret peacekeepers only.

And as I think it through a bit more there was no "CAF" as we know it prior to 1964? Am I correct? We were CA, RCN and RCAF.

 

[Halifax Tar]

And as I think it through a bit more there was no "CAF" as we know it prior to 1964? Am I correct? We were CA, RCN and RCAF.

Its RCN, CA and RCAF

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Its RCN, CA and RCAF

Being the perceived "Seinor Service" and actual chronology are two different things.

Naval Service of Canada - 4 May 1910

Canadian Signaling Corps - 24 October 1903

But hey, we follow tradition I guess

 

[KevinB]

Being the perceived "Seinor Service" and actual chronology are two different things.

Naval Service of Canada - 4 May 1910

Canadian Signaling Corps - 24 October 1903

But hey, we follow tradition I guess

RCA laughs and points to 1855 (or 1883).

 

[rmc_wannabe]

RCA laughs and points to 1855 (or 1883)

Shhh we're ragging on the RCN, remember?

 

[Halifax Tar]

I'll just leave this here

Canadian Armed Forces order of precedence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Lumber]

I'll just leave this here

Canadian Armed Forces order of precedence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

RMC has entered the chat.

 

[Halifax Tar]

RMC has entered the chat.

Ya there was a caveat about a certain time when RMC is the right of the line. But I cant find it. Other than:

Note: The honour of "the right of the line" (precedence over other units), on an army parade, is held by the units of the Royal Canadian Horse Artillery (RCHA) when on parade with their guns. On dismounted parades, RCHA units take precedence over all other land force units except formed bodies of officer cadets of the Royal Military College representing their college. Royal Canadian Artillery units parade to the left of units of the Royal Canadian Armoured Corps.

 

[CBH99]

Conclusion: Canadians are retarded.
Easy to not care about a military when you are next to the largest one and have never been threatened with an invasion or attack.

I hate to say it, but a majority of the current lot seem to be just that... they don't care about military matters all that much, nor military affairs in general.

Part of that is living right next door to the biggest, baddest dude in the entire neighborhood, aka earth. But part of that is sheer wilful ignorance that the government blissfully perpetuates.

We were in the sandbox for roughly a decade, fighting an organization which was absolutely brutal to those who lived under it.

(Not sure where in the Koran it says to beat people to death, or behead folks. Anybody else have a few heads of their local workers put in a box & delivered to their front gate as a message?)

We put out forest fires every year. Help with floods, disaster assistance missions around the world, etc.

We intercept huge narcotics shipments in the maritime environment, with the USCG tactical units using our ships to stage from.
Conduct counterterrorism ops around the world.

And our CF-18's are an important part of NORAD, and even covered for American F-15C's while they were grounded for a while.



Canadians also don't see the economic benefits that come with a stable defence industry.

It doesn't need to be huge, but if Canadians can build weapons, IFV's, warships, maybe patrol aircraft, etc - and do a low rate continuous build rather than the feast & famine we've done in the past, it would draw more people's attention to the military if only for economic reasons.

And recruiting, holy s**t can we get it together? The other day I saw a recruiting ad on YouTube... It showed a couple of people on a warship strapping on some helmets & a Cyclone flying over water while banking away from the camera.

Cool shot aside...it was 27 seconds long and told me jack about the CAF. If I was one of those people who didn't know anything about the military, that ad would not help.

Run recruit classes on a stable, regular basis. No more of this ad-hoc crap... recruit classes start on the same dates each year.

Coordinate qualification courses so people can go from course to course, and get qualified as soon as possible. Nobody joins up to not only have no operations they can contribute to, nor can they be happy they are still waiting to be trained in the job they signed up for.


Talk about the medak pocket. Talk about our operations in Afghanistan. Talk about our operations against ISIS. Eventually talk about the contribution we are making to Ukraine. Talk about missions the DART team has deployed for.


How Canadians can still be like "We should pull out of Iraq! Because, like, it isn't right..." blows my f****** mind...

 

[CBH99]

Lack of clarity has become the key to success in politics, leadership, management, academia and just about every other endeavour, so I'm not surprised Galloway was surprised at the "blunt language" - he's not used to hearing it. Lack of clarity allows for wiggle room, so-called misinterpretations, and has less chance at offending anyone.

Anybody who doesn't know what the primary mandate of a military is - the 'A' in CAF in our case - should turn in any educational certificate they ever received. I would suggest they turn in their citizenship but I'm told they can't do that. Of course the military can do other things; firefighters get kittens out trees but nobody complains when they need a new million dollar aerial.

Firefighters are like the untouchable heroes of emergency services.

Police? Nobody wants the police around until something horrible happens, then the police can't get there fast enough.

(I personally love having the police around as a presence, It tells would be shitheads to go ply their craft somewhere else.)

EMS? It felt like we were the red headed stepchildren of the 3 services. People appreciated us, but not anywhere close to how much they loved the firefighters!


( I kept suggesting we should do a sexy calendar also, to boost our rep. I was blatantly told no, our job was to help people, not give them PTSD...)

 

[Weinie]

Hunh? 10-15 years isn’t a “couple of generations…”

It is in Amherst, N.S. (teen pregnancy of Canada capital in the 70's)

 

[Edward Campbell]

Firefighters are like the untouchable heroes of emergency services.

Police? Nobody wants the police around until something horrible happens, then the police can't get there fast enough.

(I personally love having the police around as a presence, It tells would be shitheads to go ply their craft somewhere else.)

EMS? It felt like we were the red headed stepchildren of the 3 services. People appreciated us, but not anywhere close to how much they loved the firefighters!


( I kept suggesting we should do a sexy calendar also, to boost our rep. I was blatantly told no, our job was to help people, not give them PTSD...)

I'm with you ... I'm 80 now, I don't need to be hassled. I like to go for a walk every day, along some city streets and through some parks and so on. Having a cop on her or his "beat" is always a comforting thing because there are some odd people (not just me ) out there and some of them can be a bit of a bother.

A tip of the hat to all LEOs.

 

[mariomike]

Firefighters are like the untouchable heroes of emergency services.

In our town, there were 790 paramedics, and >3200 firefighters.

We gave our taxpayers the best customer service we could. I am sure our firefighters , and police, did as well.

 

[Prairie canuck]

"Conclusion: Canadians are retarded."

Now there's a statement that will get the public on your side. FFS.
The Canadian public only know what they're told. If you want them on your side then stop insulting them and start educating them.

 

[mariomike]

Now there's a statement that will get the public on your side. FFS.
The Canadian public only know what they're told. If you want them on your side then stop insulting them and start educating them.

I never understood the need to insult taxpayers. They are the people needed to vote for salary and benefits etc.

 

[Quirky]

If you want them on your side then stop insulting them and start educating them.

Bullshit. Most of the opinions formed by Canadians are because of ignorance and laziness who vote for politicians based on the color of their socks and how pretty they are. Canadians are ultimately stupid and don't care, nor care to educate themselves, about things beyond their borders, or in this case, the state of their military. Ignorance is not an excuse.

 

[GK .Dundas]

Screaming at people and telling them that they're Morons at the top of your lungs. That should do the trick.
Sigh The charm school just took your money and ran. Didn't they ?
Personally I suspect educating the public might require a slightly different approach to.be successful.

 

[Prairie canuck]

Bullshit. Most of the opinions formed by Canadians are because of ignorance and laziness who vote for politicians based on the color of their socks and how pretty they are. Canadians are ultimately stupid and don't care, nor care to educate themselves, about things beyond their borders, or in this case, the state of their military. Ignorance is not an excuse.

The guy with the coloured socks and all his friends have done a much better job selling their kool-aid then you are.
You have a point that people don't care to educate themselves on the military but how many people have you won over by taking the tact you have? People only know what the media tells them unfortunately and if you're not getting your message to the media you're not going to educate people to why the CAF is necessary. All the armchair bitching and insulting will only alienate the public even more. I've mentioned before that every single time a CAF rep is in front of the camera no matter the rank the message should start and end with "our job is to kill people and break things". Hillier, with all his faults, was spot on with his message.