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Iran Super Thread- Merged

E.R. Campbell said:
Do you really thing we, the US led West, need another war in the Middle East?

What would be the aim?

If it just to topple the current theocrats and leave a rubble heap for the next gang to clean up, à la Afghanistan in 2002 or Libya in 2011, then, yes, maybe, there is some useful military role ... but we've been in Afghanistan for 10 years now ... did we win? Do we know what "win" means?

I would prefer another war in the middle east than a war in the west- though that's fairly unlikely to happen in my life time.
(Mind you the premise of the video game Homefront is interesting..)
On the selfish short sighted side I enjoy deploying.

We didn't win in Afghanistan because we have unrealistic goals. 
One however can't deny that it turned the CF around and revitalized us, at a great price.  I think some places in the world need to be put in their place and kept there.

 
We are thinking in almost WWII terms here: send in the "Dambusters" with some really cool ordinance designed by Barnes Wallis to vaporize the enemy bunkers.

Why spend hours in hostile airspace when you can attack at the speed of light? I'm willing to bet there are plenty of Iranian military, commercial, banking, communications and government sites that have been primed with computer malware waiting for a go/no go signal (or perhaps there is a "dead man switch" that will trigger the malware if a certain signal is not received each 24 hr period).

If that is too gimmicky, there are probably people on the ground who can perform various tasks ranging from "wet" work to simple industrial sabotage and everything in between. Causing the traffic signals to fail isn't an obvous sign of war, but the impact on the economy and transportation net could support other activities.

Israel already has a well known capability to launch rockets and advanced missiles; during the 1991 Persian Gulf War's "Scud campaign" against Israel the US reportedly saw a missile launch from Israel into the Mediterranean which (by odd coincidence) was exactly the same distance as from the launch site to Bagdad. Very soon after many of the planes from the Desert Storm air campaign were racing over the Iraqi desert looking for mobile SCUD launchers (and the story of Bravo 2 Zero also comes from this campaign). There should be no question that IRBMs can be used if that is the COA desired.

So don't think that there are not calibrated responses that the US does not "need to know", and ones that Israel can hope to deploy either singly, in concert or in support of general military action to support their desired goals.
 
Some interesting thought about post-strike consequences in this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from Foreign Affairs:

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/137300/ehud-eiran/what-happens-after-israel-attacks-iran?page=show
What Happens After Israel Attacks Iran
Public Debate Can Prevent a Strategic Disaster

Ehud Eiran

February 23, 2012

This article is part of a Foreign Affairs package: The Iran Debate -- To Strike or Not to Strike? (lrargerich / flickr)

Since its birth in 1948, Israel has launched numerous preemptive military strikes against its foes. In 1981 and 2007, it destroyed the nuclear reactors of Iraq and Syria, operations that did not lead to war. But now, Israelis are discussing the possibility of another preemptive attack -- against Iran -- that might result in a wider conflict.

The public debate in Israel about whether Jerusalem should order a strike on Iran’s nuclear program is surprisingly frank. Politicians and policymakers often discuss the merits of an attack in public; over the past year, for example, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak have sparred regularly and openly with former Mossad director Meir Dagan, the most prominent opponent of an Israeli operation. But much of the conversation is focused on whether Israel should strike, not on what might happen if it does -- in other words, the result on the “day after.”

Indeed, the analysis in Israel about the possible effects of a bombing campaign against Iran is limited to a small, professional elite, mostly in government and behind closed doors. This intimate circle that does consider scenarios of the “day after” concentrates almost exclusively on what an Iranian response, direct or through proxies, might look like. This is not surprising, given that Israel must worry first and foremost about the immediate military implications of an Iranian counterattack. But in doing so, Israeli policymakers are ignoring several of the potential longer-term aspects of a strike: the preparedness of Israel’s home front; the contours of an Israeli exit strategy; the impact on U.S.-Israel relations; the global diplomatic fallout; the stability of world energy markets; and the outcome within Iran itself. Should Israel fail to openly debate and account for these factors in advance of an attack, it may end up with a strategic debacle, even if it achieves its narrow military goals.

Israeli officials have thought extensively about how the first moves of a military conflict between Jerusalem and Tehran might play out. Ephraim Kam, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and deputy head of Israel’s Institute for National Security Studies (INSS), reflected the general consensus in the security establishment when he wrote in the Institute’s 2010 strategic assessment that Iran may respond in two possible ways to an Israeli operation: missile strikes on Israel, either directly or through allied organizations such as Hezbollah or Hamas; or terror attacks, likely on Israeli targets abroad by Iranians or those proxy groups.

A direct Iranian response would involve a missile barrage from Iran onto Israeli territory, similar to the volley of rockets launched at Israel by Iraq during the first Gulf War. Only one Israeli citizen died then, and it seems that Israeli officials estimate that the damage of a similar Iranian strike would be greater, but still limited. This past November, Ehud Barak, referring to possible direct and proxy-based Iranian retaliation, said that “There is no scenario for 50,000 dead, or 5,000 killed -- and if everyone stays in their homes, maybe not even 500 dead.” Barak’s calm also reflects Israel’s previous experience in preempting nuclear threats. Iraq did not respond when Israel destroyed its nuclear facility in 1981, disproving the doomsday predictions made by several Israeli experts prior to the strike, and Syria remained silent when Israel bombed its nascent reactor in 2007.

Israeli policymakers also do not seem particularly concerned about the prospect of a proxy response. They recognize that Hezbollah, as it did in 2006, can target Israel with a large number of rockets. Yet in an interview with Ronen Bergman in The New York Times late last month, several Israeli experts argued that, regardless of a potential battle with Iran, the probability of an extended conflict with Hezbollah is already high. According to this logic, an attack on Iran would merely hasten the inevitable and might actually be easier to sustain before, not after, Iran acquires nuclear weapons. In addition, the new constraints now operating against Hezbollah -- the ongoing revolt in Syria chief among them -- might even limit the ability of the organization to harm Israel in a future conflict. Indeed, over the past several months, the Secretary General of Hezbollah, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, has emphasized the group’s independence, saying on February 7 that “the Iranian leadership will not ask Hezbollah to do anything. On [the day of an Israeli attack on Iran], we will sit, think, and decide what we will do.”

Meanwhile, the Israeli security establishment remains confident that Iran and its proxies will have trouble staging large-scale attacks on Israeli or Jewish targets abroad. Iran and Hezbollah have done so successfully in the past, most notably in response to Israel’s assassination, in 1992, of Hezbollah’s first secretary general (they are strongly suspected to have directed suicide bombings against the Israeli embassy and the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires in 1992 and 1994, respectively). Israeli experts such as Kam agree that similar attacks could occur again in the wake of a strike on Iran, but argue that Tehran’s ability to respond is limited, likely due to its own handicaps and the restrictions posed by the post-9/11 global effort against terrorism. They gained support for their theory in mid-February, when, according to preliminary evidence, Iranian agents staged clumsy, botched attacks on Israeli targets in Georgia, India, and Thailand, injuring only one person in New Delhi and ending in humiliation in Bangkok, with one operative accidentally blowing off his legs.

Balanced against these threats is the expected benefit of an Israeli bombing campaign. According to Bergman, the Israeli defense community estimates that it can inflict a three-to-five-year delay on the Iranian nuclear project. But in its optimistic estimation about the success of an attack and about Israel’s ability to deter any response, it has failed to address, at least publicly, several crucial factors.

Although Israel has buttressed its home-front preparedness since its 2006 war with Hezbollah, it seems that it must do much more to ready the country for the rocket and missile attacks that it is expected to endure after a strike against Iran’s nuclear program. In a move that Israelis are now sardonically mocking, the former minister for home front defense, Matan Vilnai, left his post in February to become Israel’s ambassador to China. Before departing, Vilnai staged an angry outburst during a Knesset subcommittee meeting on February 7 over the lack of homeland preparedness, creating such a stir that the chairman had to end the meeting. Data presented at the session reveal the source of Vilnai’s frustration: a quarter of all Israelis do not have the most basic physical shelter needed to weather sustained rocket fire. Gas masks, a basic safety measure against a chemical attack, are available to only 60 percent of the population. And Vilnai’s former ministry lacks the bureaucratic muscle to win the resources and funds necessary to improve the situation. When the Netanyahu administration established the ministry early last year, the Israeli journalist Ofer Shelah called it “the big lie” because it “has no authority, no independent budget, and no ability to affect national priorities.”

The lack of readiness within Israel is all the more worrisome in light of the fact that Israeli analysts have spent little time discussing an exit strategy. An Israeli strike might follow a version of the previous attacks against the Iraqi and Syrian nuclear programs, which did not lead to conflict. Or, following the example of Israel’s 1982 invasion of Lebanon, it might spark a prolonged war. That operation, intended to remove the threat of armed Palestinian groups within two days, instead lasted 18 years, and contributed to the evolution of a new enemy in Hezbollah. Similarly, Israel’s incursion into Lebanon in 2006 had no clear exit strategy and lasted an unexpected 33 days, ending in confusion. Without serious public discussion about the possibility of a long war with Iran, Israel could enter an extended conflict unprepared to provide for and defend its citizens.

Israeli leaders have also failed to address in public the effect of an Israeli strike on U.S.-Israel relations. There is, of course, much conversation about whether the United States and Israel agree on the need for a strike, and, if so, when it should occur. So far, it seems, Jerusalem and Washington remain united in their opposition to Iran’s nuclear program, but are not yet in agreement about the time for military action; indeed, Israel has refused to commit to warning Washington in advance of an attack. Should Israel bomb Iran, it could easily provoke a crisis even if it did first warn the United States, especially if the Obama administration has to intervene. Once again, Israeli strategic thinking on the issue is likely informed by the 1981 bombing of Iraq’s nuclear reactor. The attack infuriated the White House, which condemned it and, in punishment, suspended the delivery of some aircraft to Israel. Yet Washington retroactively approved of the strike and restored and even strengthened its relationship with Jerusalem -- a process that Netanyahu may expect to repeat itself. The prime minister might also be calculating that, in an election year, Obama would prefer to avoid openly criticizing Israel after an attack.

In addition, the broader diplomatic impact of an Israeli strike has also received little open attention. The former Mossad director Meir Dagan has raised the possibility that an attack might disrupt the existing international pressure on Iran, which is now beginning to place severe strain on the regime, and make it harder for that coalition to re-form in the event that Iran restarts its program. On the whole, however, Israeli leaders have not confronted that possibility, seeming to place faith in the efficacy of the three-to-five year delay that they hope a strike will achieve.

Also largely missing from Israel’s public analysis is the question of how a bombing campaign would affect worldwide energy markets. As a small country with a limited global perspective, Israel rarely needs to consider the international impact of its actions. The few Israeli analysts who have looked into this question have tended to underplay Iran’s intention, and capability, of acting on its threat to close the Strait of Hormuz. Last month, for example, Amos Yadlin, the former director of Israel's military intelligence, and Yoel Guzansky, the former head of the Iran desk of Israel’s national security council, argued in a paper for the INSS that it is highly doubtful that Iran would block the waterway.

That lack of perspective extends to what might happen inside of Iran after a strike. The public discourse about an attack rarely includes any consideration of whether a bombing campaign would galvanize Iranians to rally around the current leadership, ruining any chance of the regime change that might ultimately be necessary to end the threat of a nuclear program. Israel remains unwilling to estimate whether a strike would hurt or help the cause of the dissidents; its failure to predict the Arab Spring has humbled its proclivity for making such forecasts.

And so there is a gap in Israel's debate about Iran. Although Israeli experts focus heavily on the immediate implications of the “day after,” they neglect, with a few exceptions, the broader repercussions of an attack. Ironically, then, at the core of the elite, scientific calculations regarding an attack on Iran and its aftermath stands a certain kind of fatalism. It is based on the traditional trust that Israelis place in their leaders, and on their sense that open conversation might in fact harm Israeli interests. But the lack of public debate may, in the event of an attack, leave Israel handicapped both in its ability to strike and to defend itself.

In particular, a lack of open discussion leaves the Israel Defense Forces as the primary source of information and analysis on a strike. The IDF, given its narrow focus on the military aspects of an attack, may fail to fully consider its potential political and diplomatic impact. A more public debate might strengthen those in the bureaucracy who are urging the Israeli government to weigh those other factors as carefully as the military planning. The elevation of those voices could then prevent Israeli leaders from operating on the basis of limited information and faulty assumptions. If history is any guide, Israeli policymakers could benefit from such an expansion of the conversation. Israel’s disastrous invasion of Lebanon in 1982 began with a war plan that the public had not vetted. The operation ended after overwhelming pressure from civil society, a process that took nearly two decades. To avoid a similar strategic blunder in confronting Iran’s nuclear program -- either as a result of an attack, or a failure to do so -- Israel should give the public a stake in the debate about the “day after” much sooner than that.


Ehud Eiran is a Research Fellow at the Belfer Center’s International Security Program and a contributor to the Harvard Law School's Program on Negotiation.

 
Interesting statement from some Hamas folks (possibly freeing up one of Israel's flanks?) - then again, not unheard of for Hamas to renege if in their interests (and it only takes a few hotheads to fire missiles):
Hamas will not do Iran's bidding in any war with Israel, according to senior figures within the militant Islamic group.

"If there is a war between two powers, Hamas will not be part of such a war," Salah Bardawil, a member of the organisation's political bureau in Gaza City, told the Guardian.

He denied the group would launch rockets into Israel at Tehran's request in response to a strike on its nuclear sites. "Hamas is not part of military alliances in the region," said Bardawil. "Our strategy is to defend our rights"

The stance underscores Hamas's rift with its key financial sponsor and its realignment with the Muslim Brotherhood and popular protest movements in the Arab world.

Bardawil's words were echoed by a second senior Hamas figure, who declined to be named. Hamas, he said, "would not get involved" in any war between Iran and Israel.

Speculation in Israel about the repercussions of a military strike on Iran has encompassed the likelihood of the Jewish state coming under sustained rocket fire from Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon. Both organisations are routinely described by Israeli officials as "proxies" for the Iranian regime ....
The Guardian (UK), 6 Mar 12
 
Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail, is an explanation of President Obama's startegy from Clifford Orwin (U of T):

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/is-obama-trying-to-leave-israel-no-choice/article2360574/
Is Obama trying to leave Israel no choice?

CLIFFORD ORWIN

From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
Published Wednesday, Mar. 07, 2012


“Obama to warn Netanyahu against military strikes on Iran.” So proclaimed the headline in Saturday’s Washington Post. At their meeting on Monday, Barack Obama reportedly did just that, while reaffirming America’s commitment to Israel’s safety. And yet … could this be very different than it seems? Is it the cagey exterior of a policy aimed at leaving Israel no choice but to strike?

Look at it this way. Suppose you were the Obama administration, confronted by an intransigent Iran but facing an election in November and an American public weary of Middle Eastern wars. Wouldn’t you rather shoehorn an ally into undertaking this risky and unpleasant business in your place? Then, even if you too had to intervene (as you would, at the very least to keep open the Strait of Hormuz), you’d have avoided blame for starting the conflict.

It’s happened before, and not just once. Twice already, the United States has declined to intervene against nuclear threats in the Middle East, and twice already, Israel has concluded that it had no choice but to do the job itself. In 1981, it destroyed the Osirak reactor in Iraq, and in 2007, a secret nuclear plant under construction in Syria. In neither case, so far as is known, was there a green light from Washington. But both countries reaped the benefits of actions that were effectively outsourced to Israel.

The Iranian threat is much graver than those. The task of eliminating it is harder and the expected retaliation is more dire. In such a situation, each ally would gladly shift the burden to the other. Israel has naturally been hoping that the United States would dispose of the matter, as befitted the senior partner in the alliance. So far, this has proved wishful thinking under Mr. Obama, as it did under George W. Bush. As the weaker of the two partners, Israel lacks the means to force the United States to act. Washington, however, possesses ample means to coerce Tel Aviv.

The asymmetricality here lies in Iran’s two different “zones of immunity” from attack. Washington has weapons capable of eliminating Iran’s installations at a later stage of hardening than anything known to be in Israel’s arsenal. It can wait for sanctions to fail before launching its hypothetical attack. Israel can’t.

As Yossi Klein Halevi has argued, Israel faces an agonizing choice. Either it strikes Iran’s program while it is still within its power to wreck it, or having missed its chance, it would be reduced to relying on Washington to do so. Either it attacks, risking a break with its closest ally, or it becomes completely dependent on that ally to deal with an existential threat. The former choice would be wrenching, but the latter would violate a fundamental Zionist principle: that the survival of the Jewish state and people must never again be left to the unreliable mercies of others. It was one thing to hope for America to act while Israel remained capable of doing so if necessary. It would be quite another to have forfeited all initiative to it.

The basic problem goes much deeper, then, than Israel’s mistrust of Mr. Obama. Even presidents deemed staunch friends have faltered when Israel most needed them. Two countries are two countries.

At this point, Israel has good reason to doubt that even the toughest sanctions will prevent or delay Iran from building nuclear weapons. Like most sanctions, these have come too late. The findings of the International Atomic Energy Agency confirm that the mullahs can now enrich uranium at their leisure. And every spokesman for the regime, from Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on down, has insisted that nothing will deter it from its oh-so-peaceful nuclear quest – or its doubtless equally “peaceful” resolve to annihilate Israel.

Looking beyond sanctions, Israel sees too much ambiguity in the Obama administration’s positions, too much demonstrated irresoluteness, too many signs of willingness to tolerate a more advanced stage of Iranian nuclearization than Israel deems compatible with its safety. Especially in election years, American fulmination is cheap. (Just ask North Korea, as snug as a bug in a rug with its nuclear weapons that successive administrations in Washington had declared they would never permit.)

Is Washington really seeking to push Israel into intervening before its perceived window of effectiveness shuts? I doubt it. Mr. Obama likely still hopes that, with Iran being a “rational actor,” sanctions will suffice to sway it. But if it were my plan to finagle Israel into attacking, I wouldn’t practice a public diplomacy much different from Mr. Obama’s.

Clifford Orwin is a professor of political science at the University of Toronto and a distinguished fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution.


The case, as Prof. Orwin suggests, is unproven and unprovable but Obama's perfectly understandable dithering may have the effect of pushing Israel into precipitous action.

I need to repeat my assertion that I am not convinced that a big, even nuclear war in the Middle East is a bad thing; it may be what is needed to move everyone off dead centre and allow some actors to move in more productive directions, after the clean up.
 
It is nice to see that there is some action in the House and Senate, even if the Administration continues to dither. The fact that a Democrat member is taking the lead is also interesting. The open question remains; will sanctions and diplomacy work now (even if they have not been particularly effective in the past?) or has time essentially run out?

http://pjmedia.com/blog/house-dem-sees-years-long-iran-fight-coming-to-a-head/?print=1

House Dem Sees Years-Long Iran Fight Coming to a Head

Posted By Bridget Johnson On March 7, 2012 @ 4:56 pm In Iran,Israel,Middle East,Politics | 7 Comments

A veteran congressman who has consistently called for tougher, targeted punitive measures against Iran warned AIPAC that the Islamic Republic wants more than a nuclear capability: hegemony, “terrorism with impunity,” and the destruction of Israel.

As a Democrat, Rep. Brad Sherman, who represents California’s San Fernando Valley, has long known that the fight against this menace transcends party.

And his goal at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee policy conference was to arm attendees with the truth to confront those who contend that Iran is not a threat to the U.S., that it can be contained like the Soviet Union during the Cold War, that Israel’s suspected nuclear program is also defiance.

“People, particularly those too young to have lost their hair, look back on our confrontations with the Soviet Union in the ’50s and ’60s as if that was a ‘Happy Days’ TV show,” Sherman told PJM. “We had happy days in those happy days, but we also had a lot of scare and bomb drills where you get your head under the desk. Just because we survived many difficulties with the Soviet Union is no guarantee that you can roll the dice another dozen times and it will all come out just fine.”

The congressman’s staff was taking down email addresses of interested audience members before and after Monday’s breakout session. Sherman promised them that in about a week he’ll send out the full, updated text of his address, with footnotes, to keep them up to date on what’s happening on the congressional front in regards to Iran.

Like past years at AIPAC, Sherman’s straight-talk assessment of the need to get real about Iran’s weapons program was one of the best of the conference. But it’s not surprising, as he’s had years of practice trying to get two very different administrations to get seriously tough on the Islamic Republic.

He stressed to the large meeting room full of AIPAC delegates that Iran cannot be compared with other nuclear production crises such as North Korea, which blusters and then proceeds to “extort the world for 240,000 metric tons of food aid.”

“If that was the problem with Iran, I’d buy wheat futures and leave it alone,” Sherman said. Yet the world looks at the U.S. and sees Washington using almost the same language the Bush administration used against Pyongyang, he said, and now they have about a dozen weapons.

“This is not a country just trying to live peaceably within its own borders … there is no point on the globe further from Tehran than Buenos Aires,” he said, referencing the 1994 bombing of a Jewish center in Argentina. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s defense minister, Ahmad Vahidi, is among those wanted by Interpol in connection with the terrorist attack.

“No one in the world is holding a demonstration calling for the abolition of Persia,” he later added.

Sherman stressed that the nuclear energy argument is bunk. As the country with the second largest gas reserves in the world — so much they have to flare 10 percent of it — “they could generate kilowatts for a couple cents,” he said. “It makes absolutely no sense for them to have Bushehr or any other facility and yet they do.”

He noted that “good luck and considerable restraint” on both sides defused the Cuban Missile Crisis, but a comparison to today’s crisis doesn’t hold water.

“Do you think that either one of those things is in big supply in the Middle East?” he said.

Sherman warned that when Iranians develop a nuclear weapon, it won’t be delivered in a conventional fashion. About the size of a person, such a weapon will be smuggled, he predicted.

“I’m from California,” he said. “I’ve seen evidence that it is possible to sneak a person into the United States.”

The congressman added smuggling works in Iran’s favor because, after a city is hit in this fashion, a presidential panel would be convened to determine what happened, and if that panel decides 90 days later with 93 percent assurance that Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps is to blame, it’s too late for a retaliatory strike.

He told the crowd that sanctions, like the tough ones against the Central Bank of Iran in the bill pushed into law by Sens. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) and Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), need to be so brutal that they force Tehran to choose between regime survival and a nuclear weapon.

“No one ever gave up their firstborn just to avoid excessive ATM fees,” he quipped. “…We need to sanction all Iranian banks and we needed to do it 10 years ago.”

Sherman noted that successful strikes against Iran wouldn’t necessarily just hit nuclear sites, which could just be rebuilt. Israel could take out their air defenses, he said, hit nuclear facilities as hard as possible, and then demand that the International Atomic Energy Agency be brought in to dismantle the program — “otherwise something might happen to all of their oil production facilities,” which are above ground, spread out and “a regime without oil wells is not a regime that survives.”

Sherman, a seven-term congressman, faces a tough Democratic primary June 5 against Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.), ranking member on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. This is the first year California voters will experience an open primary.

Today, Sherman met with the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT) to persuade it to exclude all Iranian banks. He also looks for sanctions “that will have their effect very quickly,” such as keeping Iran from obtaining replacement parts for all of the Western equipment they’ve acquired over the years.

At the AIPAC panel, the congressman alluded to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey’s comments last month [1] on Iran. “It is said this government is rational,” Sherman said. “Might be. Stalin was probably classified as rational.”

After the panel, I asked for his thoughts on Dempsey’s remarks.

“Depending on what your definition of rational is, it’s not a false statement,” Sherman said.”Just because a government’s changed and if you’re just on the edge of being rational today, there’s no rule that says your change is going to be toward rationality; you can go further away.”

The examples he gave in his speech were the Stalinist regimes of the Soviet Union, where Mikhail Gorbachev gave in at the end of the Cold War, and Cambodia, which devolved into genocide under Pol Pot.

I noted that House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairwoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) told me [2] before she took the gavel in the 112th Congress that she wanted Iran to be “No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3” on the panel’s to-do list.

“I think the committee has spent a lot of time focusing on Iran,” Sheman said. “I think that America as a whole has been way to slow to implement sanctions that are way too mild. I would say that Ileana is one of those pushing the envelope in the right direction. She’s not inclined to push the envelope to the point where you might break it and she’s not inclined to pass legislation that the administration would violently oppose.

“But — it’s nice to be a senator — I give a lot of credit to Menendez and Kirk for forcing the administration to sanction the Central Bank of Iran, something [the White House has] had the power to do for many years and have chosen not to do,” he added. “And I should never criticize the Obama administration without pointing out that they’re much much tougher on Iran than was the Bush administration.”

Sherman, like many other Democrats, has joined hands with his colleagues across the aisle on numerous Iran measures, demonstrating once again the “overwhelming” bipartisan nature of congressional support for Israel and getting tough on Tehran.

“But the more biting the sanctions, the more disruptive, the more they anger multinational corporations, the less unity there is,” he said. “So a resolution saying containment is not an option is consistent with the president’s speech, whereas preventing General Electric from fixing the engines on the Air Iran aircraft — I don’t know how that’s going to turn out, but it’s not going to be overwhelming in either direction. And that’s just the skirmish line.

“If you want to go to a point to say any company that sells a spare part to Iran is going to be prohibited from any contract with the United States, and apply that to an entire corporate family, not just its subsidiaries but all the corporations owned by the same parent, that’s not going to be overwhelming,” he said. “The sanctions on the cutting edge, I’ll be happy if we get them passed by one percent. I don’t need 100 percent.”

I asked the question I’d been wondering the whole conference, in regards to the attendees but especially directed toward the members of the House and Senate who were fielding concerns that Obama’s speech was just a speech.

In 2010, Reps. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.) and Mike Pence (R-Ind.) led a congressional letter [3] telling  Obama, “The hour is late. Now is the time for action.”

“Mr. President, you have stated this issue is a priority for your administration,” the letter, signed by Sherman and 362 House colleagues, stated in part. “You have attempted to engage the Iranian regime for over a year. You have gone to the United Nations Security Council in an effort to impose tough new sanctions on Iran. But time is not on our side. We cannot allow those who would oppose or delay sanctions to govern either the timing or content of our efforts.”

It’s now 2012, I said to Sherman. Is there a point when national-security-minded Democrats break with the president?

“To some extent the Menendez-Kirk amendment did not authorize the administration to do something they wanted to do; it forced the administration to take an action that they had declined to take earlier,” Sherman said. “I think we already have people pushing the administration further or faster than is its natural inclination.”

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[1] comments last month: http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-futility-of-trying-to-wish-iran-into-being-rational/

[2] told me: http://thehill.com/news-by-subject/foreign-policy/134423-incoming-foreign-affairs-chairwoman-has-iran-no-1-no-2-and-no-3-on-to-do-list

[3] congressional letter: http://jackson.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=435&Itemid=86
 
Smaller, possibly rocket powered bunker busters may be on the way. These do not have to be lifted by a B-2 or B-52 sized airplane:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2011/02/penetrate-faster-harder-with-n.html

Penetrate faster, harder with new AFRL weapon

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Stephen Trimble
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My trip to Brazil has been unexpectedly delayed by an unplanned, extended pit-stop in Caracas, where my Boeing 767 is currently parked with a flat tire. If you detect a note of innuendo in the headline, it's the lack of sleep talking. Meanwhile, what better way to spend my first day in Venezuela than blogging about new bunker-busters!  Meet the US Air Force's latest unintentional metaphor of a missile:

An Air Force Research Laboratory fact sheet with a 2011 time-stamp for public release approval tells us that a 2,000lb-class weapon with 5,000lb-class penetration capability could be available within three years.

"Future fighters will be able to deliver bunker-busting capabilities currently associated with the bomber fleet," the fact sheet says.

I found the fact sheet for the High Velocity Penetrating Weapon (HVPW) in the AFRL munitions directorate booth at the Air Warfare Symposium a few days ago. The document reveals the USAF has shifted its focus on next-generation penetrator technology on a couple of different levels.

Force is a function of mass multiplied by velocity. Mass is the key design point for the free-falling, 5,000lb GBU-28 bunker buster and the 30,000lb Massive Ordnance Penetrator.

For the next generation penetrator weapon, the AFRL appears to have shifted the focus to velocity. Packing a solid rocket propulsion system "with mission tailored boost and terminal velocities, intelligent fuzing and optimized explosive," the HVPW blasts into bunkers using speed in place of raw mass.

But the HPVW also may reflect a shift from previous interest in an air-breathing, high-speed penetrator, such as the Mach 3.0 Lockheed Martin revolutionary approach to time critical long-range strike (RATTLRS) demonstrator.

Like RATTLRS, the HPVW is designed to be carried inside the Lockheed Martin F-35's internal weapons bay, but will also enable "other fighter/bombers", the fact sheet says.

It's clear the USAF is in the market for a new penetrator weapon for the next generation bomber. Gen William Fraser, chief of Air Combat Command, actually confused the air force's message in his opening remarks at the symposium on 17 February. Fraser said that the next generation bomber would leverage several existing technologies, and he included the Massive Ordnance Penetrator on the list.

I asked Lt Gen Jim Kowalski, chief of Global Strike Command, about that the next day. He clarified that Fraser means the next generation bomber will leverage the bunker-buster effect of the massive ordnance penetrator, but not necessarily its mass. In the aforementioned force equation, that implies a shift toward higher speed, although Kowalski declined to confirm that theory.
 
A look at some other options Israel might use.  The real center of gravity in any campaign isn't the nuclear facilities, but rather the apparatus that controls them. This might mean an attack against the Revolutionary Guards and Basji, and their C3I apparatus rather than bunker busters or the sort of attack described here:

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/03/09/lawrence-solomon-time-for-israel-to-act/

Lawrence Solomon: Time for Israel to act

Lawrence Solomon  Mar 9, 2012 – 10:39 PM ET | Last Updated: Mar 9, 2012 11:22 PM ET

Israel should hit Iran’s pipelines, refineries and ports, in addition to its nuclear facilities. Destroying its energy infrastructure would severely weaken Iran.

Arab Spring reduces the risks of an attack on Israel

President Barack Obama recently provided Israel with a choice: Rather than bombing Iran’s nuclear facilities now, when success would be iffy at best, give diplomacy and “crippling” economic sanctions time to work. If crippling sanctions don’t work, Israel would still have the option to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities later, and with the promise of U.S. help.

But Israel, frustrated at the West’s tardiness in applying economic sanctions, has a third option that could have a high probability of success. In addition to attacking Iran’s nuclear facilities, Israel could unilaterally cripple Iran’s economy by bombing its commercial energy facilities. Doing so soon — rather than after the U.S. election, as Obama requests — might have added merits, too: For Israel, the likelihood of a shorter and much narrower war with far fewer Israeli casualties; for the West, less likelihood of a prolonged oil crisis that would trigger another global recession.

The Arab Spring provides a constellation of reasons that motivates Israel to act soon. Prior to the rebellions that broke out last year throughout the Middle East, Iran had one Sunni ally against Israel, the Hamas-run statelet of Gaza, and two Sunni-hating allies, the Allawite-led government of Syria and the Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon. In a war against Israel prior to the Arab Spring, at least two and possibly all three would have eagerly joined in the fight, presenting Israel with the dread prospect of a multi-front war.

Now, and for as long as the turmoil of the Arab Spring persists, many Israeli analysts believe Israel has partial immunity from attack. Syria’s Assad, who is winning his brutal war against the Free Syrian rebels, knows that his government could fall if he gives Israel reason to join the rebels, who have reportedly asked Israel for help in countering Assad. Syria, the most formidable of Israel’s direct neighbours, would almost certainly refrain from attacking Israel in the event of an Israeli attack on Iran.

Hamas, which broke with Assad over his brutality toward fellow Sunnis, which now supports the Syrian rebels, and which, as a result, lost its Iranian funding of $23-million per month, may also stay on the sidelines in a war between Iran and Israel. “Hamas will not be part of such a war,” a member of Hamas’s political bureau in Gaza City told The Guardian this week. Even if Hamas does join the fight to maintain its anti-Israel credentials, it would be restrained, in deference to its new paymasters among the Saudis and other Sunnis — it is an open secret that the Saudis, who fear Iran as much as Israel does, are allied with Israel.
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Even Lebanon-based Hezbollah would think twice about attacking Israel. For one thing, Hezbollah knows that Israel is unlikely to pull its punches in a new war with Hezbollah, as Israel did to its regret in their 2006 stalemate war. For another, Hezbollah’s Sunni neighbours within Lebanon have been increasingly vocal against Hezbollah’s support of Assad’s brutality, and may turn on Hezbollah should war between Hezbollah and Israel break out.

Israel knows that the fortuitous circumstances that it finds itself in could end abruptly. If Syria completes its crushing of its opposition soon, as many predict, the pre-Arab Spring status quo would have largely been restored. Iran would once again have Syria and Hezbollah as active allies.

The stars are also today aligned in Israel’s favour because of the U.S. election. In any attack by Israel on Iran, the U.S. government is sure to be supportive — Obama cannot afford to alienate the Jewish vote during his re-election campaign, even if, as most Israelis fear, he ordinarily works to undermine Israel.

Destroying Iran’s energy infrastructure — its oil and gas pipelines, its refineries, and its port facilities — would be relatively easy for Israel’s military and devastating for Iran, which depends on energy sales for some 80% of its export earnings and nearly 70% of its government’s revenue. Not only would Iran face bankruptcy without its energy economy, it would also face day-to-day chaos because Iran has a surprising dependence on natural gas and gasoline imports, making rationing a sudden necessity and daily life a hardship.

What might Iran do in the event of an Israeli attack? Prior to the Arab Spring, the West saw a high probability that Iran would attempt to close down the Strait of Hormuz, attack U.S. military installations in the Middle East, and launch terrorist attacks against Western targets. Israel prepared itself for a barrage of tens of thousands of missiles to be launched against it. But now, in the midst of the Arab Spring, the calculations may have changed. Without dependable allies, some believe Iran might be restrained in its response, launching its missiles in a long-distance attack on Israel and little else. Iran might now be far less likely to engage the U.S. overtly, making war short-lived and less disruptive to energy markets, and even if Iran did attempt to use the oil weapon by closing the Strait of Hormuz, the U.S. believes Iran would not succeed for long. While oil prices would rise, the Saudis and others promise to pump additional oil to minimize the disruption to world oil markets.

The upshot? Following an Israeli attack on Iran’s energy infrastructure as well as its nuclear installations, Iran would be weakened economically as well as militarily, possibly unable to rehabilitate the remnants of its nuclear program, certainly unable to finance the needs of its terrorist proxies. Even if Iran’s mullahs were able to hold onto power amid the chaos of war against their many political rivals, they would be in no position to rebuild their energy infrastructure without the U.S. first convincing Israel to refrain from future attacks. The price that Iran might have to pay for that U.S. intervention might be Iran’s agreement to finally sit down for meaningful negotiations with the U.S. aimed at dismantling Iran’s nuclear program.

LawrenceSolomon@nextcity.com
 
Odd how we let Pakistan and North Korea build them but when Iran wants them we suddenly have to beat the drums of war. I think some powerful people are pulling the media's strings.
 
Nemo888 said:
Odd how we let Pakistan and North Korea build them but when Iran wants them we suddenly have to beat the drums of war. I think some powerful people are pulling the media's strings.


And, of course, that would be because of ...


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... right?





:sarcasm:
(Just in case it's not intuitively obvious.)
 
Nemo888 said:
Odd how we let Pakistan and North Korea build them but when Iran wants them we suddenly have to beat the drums of war. I think some powerful people are pulling the media's strings.

Pakistan is somewhat stable and has a neighbor with nuclear arms. North Korea, although not what we like, has China as a neighbor...who may wield some influence over the regime of North Korea.

Iran, despite having a "president" is actually ruled by a theocracy....the "president " is a puppet who does what he is told by the ayatollahs. Those ayatollahs talk to terrorists....get it?
 
An interesting perspective on some of the consequences of an attack on Iran, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from Bloomberg:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-08/protracted-iran-conflict-could-drive-oil-prices-up-60-barrel.html
Protracted Iran Conflict Could Drive Oil Prices Up $60 Barrel

By Romesh Ratnesar

Mar 8, 2012

“Nobody’s announced a war, young lady,” President Barack Obama said in New York on March 2, wagging his finger at an audience member who decried the possibility of U.S. military action against Iran. “But we appreciate your sentiment.”

The crowd cheered, and a smile crossed the president’s face. It’s too soon to say when, or whether, the long-simmering dispute over Iran’s nuclear program will erupt in armed conflict, Bloomberg Businessweek reports in its March 12 issue.

“There is still a window that allows for a diplomatic resolution,” Obama said before meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on March 5.

A raft of Western economic sanctions against Tehran, including a looming embargo on Iranian oil exports to the European Union, have made the country’s rulers more willing to “recommence negotiations without preconditions, which isn’t something they were amenable to last year,” according to Karim Sadjadpour, an Iran analyst at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. War with Iran in 2012 “is plausible but not probable,” he says.

The economic case against war is strong. Jitters about instability in the Middle East have caused the price of Brent crude to rise some 9 percent since the beginning of the year.

Insurance Premiums

Even a limited conflict with Iran -- the second-largest oil producer in the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, after Saudi Arabia -- would jack up insurance premiums on oil tanker traffic through the Persian Gulf.
Iran exports 2.5 million barrels per day, and OPEC lacks the spare capacity to make up for the likely loss of Iranian supply in the event of an attack, according to Robert McNally, president of the Rapidan Group, an energy consulting firm. That’s a formula for an oil shock far more painful than what global consumers are currently experiencing.

“What we see now is a market that is very fearful and very tight,” says McNally, a former senior director for international energy at the National Security Council. “In those conditions, it doesn’t take much to send the cost of oil soaring.”
Just how high prices might climb if war breaks out, and the broader consequences to the world economy, depend on two factors: whether military action is initiated by Israel or by the U.S., and how Iran responds.

Four Facilities

A strike conducted by Israel, which has limited air power, might be over in a matter of hours. It would target the four main Iranian nuclear facilities the world knows about, but there’s no guarantee that Israel’s bombs would be able to penetrate Iran’s deepest underground sites.

An attack carried out by the U.S. military, on the other hand, would be longer and more extensive, according to Matthew Kroenig, a nuclear security expert at the Council on Foreign Relations. He says a two-week U.S. bombing campaign could wipe out not just Iran’s nuclear program but also its air defenses and some missile capabilities.

The Pentagon’s newest generation of 30,000-pound “bunker- buster” bombs are thought to be capable of pulverizing targets as much as 200 feet below ground.
“There’s a lot of confusion between what an Israeli strike would do and what an American strike could do,” Kroenig says. “Israel would set Iran’s nuclear program back between one and three years. The U.S. can set it back 10 years.”

‘Less to Lose’

The costs of doing so could be steep, however. If the U.S. attacks, “the Iranians might feel they have less to lose” by retaliating aggressively, says Michael Makovsky, foreign policy director of the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington.

Tehran might attempt to sabotage oil facilities in Saudi Arabia and southern Iraq, launch missiles into Israel, or deploy small attack vessels to harass tankers in the Arabian Sea.

The nightmare scenario would be a move by Iran to choke off access to the Strait of Hormuz -- most likely by unleashing its stockpile of 2,000 mines -- through which 40 percent of the world’s seaborne oil supply travels.

The U.S. has warned that such a step would provoke an all- out assault on Iran’s military. Would Tehran take that risk?

“If Iran concluded its regime were threatened, it might try to make the conflict as big as possible, as quickly as possible, to bring other powers in to mediate,” says McNally.

An analysis by the Rapidan Group predicts that a targeted airstrike on Iran, followed by a token Iranian response, would cause oil prices to jump $23 a barrel before settling back down. (As of March 6, Brent crude was trading at $122 a barrel.)

‘Geopolitical Disruption’

A more protracted conflict, if it involved even a brief closure of the strait, might cause oil prices to spike by more than $60 a barrel.

“It would be the biggest geopolitical disruption in the history of the global oil market,” McNally says.

Ed Morse, global head of commodities research at Citigroup, estimates that if oil reaches $150 a barrel, the U.S. would lose 2 percentage points in economic growth, enough to turn the nascent recovery into a recession.

The dilemma for the Obama administration is that the alternatives might be even worse.

“If we don’t have this confrontation now, but we end up with a nuclear Iran, we have to factor in the consequences of dealing with a nuclear arms race in the Gulf,” says Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies. At minimum, the Pentagon would need to invest in new anti- missile technologies and maintain a sizable footprint in the region, just as it is winding down two wars there.

“It could have a major impact on the U.S.’s interest in reducing defense spending,” says Cordesman.

And because a nuclear Iran would make the Middle East and the world less stable, living with the bomb also means living with higher oil prices for an indeterminate future.

“The worst outcome for the global economy, by far,” says McNally, “would be a hostile, nuclear-armed Iran.”


I'm not sure that, as others have discussed here, Israel would attack nuclear facilities, per se; an Israeli strike/Israeli strikes might be better aimed at decapitating the Iranian nuclear programme by destroying the Tehran based leadership (religious, political, military and scientific)  ~ a few nukes might do the job.

But I agree with Robert McNally: “The worst outcome for the global economy, by far would be a hostile, nuclear-armed Iran.”  A small nuclear war, a few tens of thousands of dead Iranians (who, I hasten to acknowledge, are, mostly, innocent civilians) and a few years of $200/bbl oil is, probably a small price to pay.
 
"But I agree with Robert McNally: “The worst outcome for the global economy, by far would be a hostile, nuclear-armed Iran.”  A small nuclear war, a few tens of thousands of dead Iranians (who, I hasten to acknowledge, are, mostly, innocent civilians) and a few years of $200/bbl oil is, probably a small price to pay."

I don't recall the titles, but there are a couple of recent books out. Their thesis is that "The experts"do not have a very good track record at getting things right  and are best disregarded.

That said I have not read the above gentlemans work, nor do I know of his track record. So I could be completely wrong.

I also suggest that there are some interesting jokers and very wild cards in the deck. The obvious ones that come to mind are Russian reaction, Chinese Reaction, Pakistani Reaction.

I am going to reach even further and suggest that the Iranians are the perfect replacement for the Soviet Union for the West.

I'm thinking that Andrew Cockburn Author of "The Threat: Inside the Soviet military machine" might find
a good market for a new edition.

An even wilder card 'If Iran does get taken out - I would imagine that the North Koreans would decide that their next on the hit list, and if that's the case they could go preemptive.  An that wouldn't be pretty.
 
We are very close to deploying an "oil weapon" of our own; massive new discoveries in North America (by using refined prospecting techniques) and powerful new production techniques to revive old wells and produce oil from deposits previously inaccessible (oil sands, oil shale and "tight" deposits) could cut the economic legs out from under the entire middle east region.

The Persians, Turks and Arabs who are Imperial minded will discover that without the constant flow of funds from the sale of oil, their little exercises in Empire building may well fizzle out without the logistical horsepower needed. The downside might be epic wars between Turkey, Iran and coalitions of Arabic powers on a scale rivalling WWI in an attempt to gain regional hegemony, and deployment of terrorism across the globe to try to influence the rest of the world to pay attention. How the rest of the Islamic arc in Africa, central Asia and through the South East Asian archipelago will respond to this is an open question.
 
Iran's growing ambition- STRATFOR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsYmm-dDXvM&feature=plcp&context=C42c4166VDvjVQa1PpcFNc4AgIUHVQw7L-3Ayl3Vo0MGYxVA9c3iQ%3D

They seem to say that israel will not strike and the people talking on the video seem to think Israel is bluffing with attacking Iran, Iranian influence will expand in the region, especially if the Assad regime survives ( and George Friedman, Robert Kaplan seem to think so).  They say that Iranian is trying to achieve the role Iran had in ancient times. Do people here believe this
 
Iran's banks will be "delinked" from the global SWIFT banking system, per BBC News:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17390456

Swift, the body that handles global banking transactions, says it will cut Iran's banks out of the system on Saturday to enforce sanctions.

The move will isolate Iran financially by making it almost impossible for money to flow in and out of the country via official banking channels.

More at link
 
sean m said:
Iran's growing ambition- STRATFOR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsYmm-dDXvM&feature=plcp&context=C42c4166VDvjVQa1PpcFNc4AgIUHVQw7L-3Ayl3Vo0MGYxVA9c3iQ%3D

They seem to say that israel will not strike and the people talking on the video seem to think Israel is bluffing with attacking Iran, Iranian influence will expand in the region, especially if the Assad regime survives ( and George Friedman, Robert Kaplan seem to think so).  They say that Iranian is trying to achieve the role Iran had in ancient times. Do people here believe this


There is one scenario where Iran's rise to regional hemegon status serves serves Israel's interests: it pits ALL the Arabs against a new common enemy, one they hate and fear more than they hate and fear Israel, and it puts Turkey in an awkward position.

But a hostile Iran with nuclear weapons is, in my opinion, an existential threat to Israel and Judaism and I doubt Israel will give more than a passing thought to global economic crises when it launches an all out nuclear attack on Tehran ~ after all the world didn't give even that passing thought when the Jews were marched to the gas chambres 70 years ago: turn about is fair play, no?
 
Posted under the Fair Dealings and Copyright Act

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2012/03/14/19504301.html

Iran-First Nations meeting dubbed a 'publicity stunt'

By ROSS ROMANIUK

Video on link
   
An official with a prominent Jewish organization is dismissing former First Nations chief Terry Nelson's meeting with Iranian embassy officials about alleged Canadian oppression as a "publicity stunt" in which both parties are seeking attention for their own purposes.

"It's part of a game being played," Ruth Klein, national director of advocacy for B'Nai Brith Canada, told QMI Agency on Wednesday from Toronto.

"Canada takes the lead at the United Nations in trying to focus attention on Iran's human rights record -- and to retaliate, Iran attacks Canada."

Klein added it's "absurd" that Nelson -- former chief of Roseau River First Nation -- and three other current or former First Nations chiefs from Manitoba are trying to arrange a further meeting with leaders of Iran's "oppressive regime" in that country to discuss the struggles facing aboriginals in Canada.

"Its record is so abysmal. Nobody really can take this seriously," she said. "But from Iran's point of view, it gives them a sort of public relations advantage because it can sort of hit back at Canada."

Klein pointed to the arrests of 13 Iranian Jews in 1999 on what she called "trumped-up" charges and arrests of 528 Baha'is in Iran since August 2004 -- 97 of whom remain in prison. 
 
Nelson and chiefs Frank Brown of Canupawakpa and Orville Smoke of Dakota Plains Wahpeton, as well as former Sioux Valley chief Ken Whitecloud, met Monday with officials of the Iranian embassy in Ottawa.

Nelson later said that their requested meeting with the Iranian government in Tehran is likely "going to happen pretty quick."

Kambiz Sheikh-Hassani, head of mission of the Iranian embassy in Canada, confirmed that the First Nations delegates outlined their complaints of "injustice" during Monday's meeting and that "we listened to their views while emphasizing our respect" for Canada's sovereignty.

"They have also requested to travel to Iran and speak at the Iranian parliament. Their wish has been sent to the relevant officials for consideration," Sheikh-Hassani said in an e-mailed statement.

"We believe that all countries should respect their international obligations and responsibilities, through co-operation with their indigenous communities to find a just and sustainable resolution."

:sarcasm:

We should wait for Iran to give the First Nations a couple of billion and then seize it under the current sanctions in place against Iran. ;D


 
Funny, when George W Bush was looking at the problem limited strikes were provocative and unilateral "cowboy diplomacy". Of course going back a little farther in the past we see the same cast of characters who were for something before they were against it (despite reading the same intelligence summaries as the President). The issue is so wrapped up in domestic politics that I don't think any sort of coherent policy will emerge in a timely manner, and the issue wil probably be sorted by the traditional Imperial powers of the region:: Turkey, Egypt and Persia.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/18/obama-in-2004-surgical-airstrikes-might-be-necessary-to-stop-iran-from-going-nuclear/

Obama in 2004: Surgical airstrikes might be necessary to stop Iran from going nuclear
POSTED AT 4:30 PM ON MARCH 18, 2012 BY TINA KORBE

BuzzFeed’s Andrew Kaczynski finds that, once upon a time, Barack Obama thought surgical airstrikes should be among the potential means to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. Much of what Senate candidate Obama said about Iran in a 2004 interview with the editorial board of The Chicago Tribune sounds familiar — then as now, he emphasized economic sanctions, for example — but some of it does not:

“The big question is going to be, if Iran is resistant to these pressures, including economic sanctions, which I hope will be imposed if they do not cooperate, at what point are we going to, if any, are we going to take military action?” Obama asked.

Given the continuing war in Iraq, the United States is not in a position to invade Iran, but missile strikes might be a viable option, he said. Obama conceded that such strikes might further strain relations between the U.S. and the Arab world.

“In light of the fact that we’re now in Iraq, with all the problems in terms of perceptions about America that have been created, us launching some missile strikes into Iran is not the optimal position for us to be in,” he said.

“On the other hand, having a radical Muslim theocracy in possession of nuclear weapons is worse. So I guess my instinct would be to err on not having those weapons in the possession of the ruling clerics of Iran. … And I hope it doesn’t get to that point. But realistically, as I watch how this thing has evolved, I’d be surprised if Iran blinked at this point.”

Today, it’s Benjamine Netanyahu who does all the talking about launching air and missile strikes against Iran’s nuclear program, while Obama continues to push for a diplomatic solution. No doubt about it, though: A diplomatic solution is probable in proportion to the perceived sincerity of Bibi’s threats. The rhetorical backup Obama unwittingly provided Netanyahu in 2004 might be of benefit in the same way.

Note that Obama even then thought international opinion should be a prime consideration when it came to what to do about Iran, though. “My instinct would be to err on not having those weapons in the possession of the ruling clerics of Iran,” he said, as though it might be equally reasonable to err on the other side. That he would even think it might be worth it to allow those weapons into the ruling clerics’ hands for the sake of sycophantic praise from a war-weary world is troubling. Surely security should always be the most important of foreign policy considerations.
 
Here is an interesting article, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the National Post, that suggests that I am wrong in assuming that Israel should "go ugly early," by using nukes in the near future, because US intelligence suggests that Iran doesn't have a bomb and might not even want one:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/23/u-s-and-allies-agree-iran-does-not-have-a-nuclear-bomb-may-not-want-one-and-is-far-from-building-one/
U.S. and allies agree: Iran does not have a nuclear bomb, may not want one and is far from building one

Reuters

Mar 23, 2012


By Tabassum Zakaria and Mark Hosenball

WASHINGTON — The United States, European allies and even Israel generally agree on three things about Iran’s nuclear program: Tehran does not have a bomb, has not decided to build one, and is probably years away from having a deliverable nuclear warhead.

Those conclusions, drawn from extensive interviews with current and former U.S. and European officials with access to intelligence on Iran, contrast starkly with the heated debate surrounding a possible Israeli strike on Tehran’s nuclear facilities.

“They’re keeping the soup warm but they are not cooking it,” a U.S. administration official said.

Reuters has learned that in late 2006 or early 2007, U.S. intelligence intercepted telephone and email communications in which Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, a leading figure in Iran’s nuclear program, and other scientists complained that the weaponization program had been stopped.

That led to a bombshell conclusion in a controversial 2007 National Intelligence Estimate: American spy agencies had “high confidence” that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003.

Current and former U.S. officials say they are confident that Iran has no secret uranium-enrichment site outside the purview of UN nuclear inspections.

They also have confidence that any Iranian move toward building a functional nuclear weapon would be detected long before a bomb was made.

These intelligence findings are what underpin President Barack Obama’s argument that there is still time to see whether economic sanctions will compel Iran’s leaders to halt any program.

The Obama administration, relying on a top-priority intelligence collection program and after countless hours of debate, has concluded that Iranian leaders have not decided whether to actively construct a nuclear weapon, current and former officials said.

There is little argument, however, that Iran’s leaders have taken steps that would give them the option of becoming a nuclear-armed power.

Iran has enriched uranium, although not yet of sufficient quantity or purity to fuel a bomb, and has built secret enrichment sites, which were acknowledged only when unmasked.

Iran has, in years past, worked on designing a nuclear warhead, the complicated package of electronics and explosives that would transform highly enriched uranium into a fission bomb.

And it is developing missiles that could in theory launch such a weapon at a target in enemy territory.

There are also blind spots in U.S. and allied agencies’ knowledge. A crucial unknown is the intentions of Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Another question is exactly how much progress Iran made in designing a warhead before mothballing its program. The allies disagree on how fast Iran is progressing toward bomb-building ability: the U.S. thinks progress is relatively slow; the Europeans and Israelis believe it’s faster.

U.S. officials assert that intelligence reporting on Iran’s nuclear program is better than it was on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, which proved to be non-existent but which President George W. Bush and his aides used to make the case for the 2003 invasion.

That case and others, such as the U.S. failure to predict India’s 1998 underground nuclear test, illustrate the perils of divining secrets about others’ weapons programs.

“The quality of intelligence varies from case to case,” a U.S. administration official said. Intelligence on North Korea and Iraq was more limited, but there was “extraordinarily good intelligence” on Iran, the official said.

Israel, which regards a nuclear Iran as an existential threat, has a different calculation. It studies the same intelligence and timetable, but sees a closing window of opportunity to take unilateral military action and set back Iran’s ambitions. Israel worries that Iran will soon have moved enough of its nuclear program underground — or spread it far enough around the country — as to make it virtually impervious to a unilateral Israeli attack, creating what Defense Minister Ehud Barak recently referred to as a “zone of immunity.”

While Israel would not be able to launch an effective offensive in this analysis, the U.S., with its deeper-penetrating bombs and in-air refueling capability, believes it could still get results from a military strike.

Israel has not publicly defined how or when Iran would enter this phase of a nuclear weapons program. Barak said last month that relying on an ability to detect an order by Khamenei to build a bomb “oversimplifies the issue dramatically.”

CONFIDENCE IN INTELLIGENCE

U.S. confidence that Iran stopped its nuclear weaponization program in 2003 traces back to a stream of intelligence obtained in 2006 or early 2007, which dramatically shifted the view of spy agencies.

Sources familiar with the intelligence confirmed the intercept of Fakhrizadeh’s communications. The United States had both telephone and email intercepts in which Iranian scientists complained about how the leadership ordered them to shut down the program in 2003, a senior European official said.

U.S. officials said they are very confident that the intercepts were authentic – and not disinformation planted by Iran.

“Iran has been a high-priority intelligence target for years. Sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes we really are good,” said Thomas Fingar, who was chairman of the National Intelligence Council when it compiled the 2007 intelligence estimate.

While declining to provide specific details, Fingar, now at Stanford University, said: “We got information that we had never been able to obtain before. We knew the provenance of the information, and we knew that we had been able to obtain it from multiple sources. Years of hard work had finally paid off.”

The judgment that Iran had stopped work on the weapons program stunned the Bush White House and U.S. allies. Critics accused U.S. spy agencies of over-compensating for their flawed 2002 analysis that Iraq’s Saddam Hussein had active nuclear, biological and chemical weapons programs.

The 2007 report gummed up efforts by the Bush administration to persuade the UN Security Council and others to add pressure on Iran with more sanctions. It was greeted with disbelief by Israel and some European allies.

“It really pulled the rug out of our sanctions effort until we got it back on track in 2008,” recalled Stephen Hadley, former national security adviser to Bush.

Overlooked by many was that the report said Iran had been pursuing a nuclear weapon and was keeping its options open for developing one, he said. “The problem was that it was misinterpreted as an all-clear when it wasn’t that at all,” Hadley said.

A November 2011 report by the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency said suspected nuclear weaponization efforts led by Fakhrizadeh were “stopped rather abruptly pursuant to a ‘halt order’ instruction issued in late 2003 by senior Iranian officials.”

The reasons for this are not clear. Western experts say it was probably related to a fear of being next on the hit list after the United States toppled Saddam next door.

Iran emphasizes its nuclear program is for civilian purposes. Ayatollah Khamenei this week said Iran does not have nuclear weapons and will not build them.

DISMEMBERED AND BURIED

Some key U.S. allies were never entirely comfortable with the 2007 U.S. intelligence estimate. The Europeans conceded that a centrally directed weaponization program probably stopped, but believed pieces of the program were being pursued separately.

Many European experts believed the Iranians had dismembered their bomb program and scattered and buried its parts, some of them in military or scientific installations, some in obscure academic institutions.

Under pressure from both European allies and Israel’s supporters, U.S. intelligence agencies late in the Bush administration and early in Obama’s tenure began to take a second look at the 2007 estimate. Some consideration was given to bringing it more into line with European views. Intelligence received after publication of the 2007 estimate suggested that in 2006, Iran believed the United States was going to have to abandon its troubled venture in Iraq. Wisps of information were gathered that Iranian officials were talking about restarting elements of the bomb program, a U.S. intelligence official said on condition of anonymity. But analysts were divided about the significance of the new information. The revised estimate was delayed for months. Eventually, at the very end of 2010, an updated version was circulated within the government. Unlike the 2007 estimate, the White House made public no extracts of this document. A consensus emerged among U.S. experts that the new intelligence information wasn’t as alarming as originally thought, according to officials familiar with the result. The 2010 update largely stuck to the same assessments as the 2007 report, these officials said. U.S. intelligence chiefs issued a vague public acknowledgement of the ambiguities of their latest assessment.

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper told Congress in February 2011 that “Iran is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons in part by developing various nuclear capabilities that better position it to produce such weapons, should it choose to do so.”

TIME FRAME

The United States and Israel are on the same page in judging how long it would take Iran to have a nuclear weapon that could strike a target: About a year to produce a bomb and then another one to two years to put it on a missile.

Both countries believe Iran has not made a decision to build a bomb, so even if Tehran decided to move forward, it would be unlikely to have a working nuclear device this year, let alone a missile to deliver it.

“I think they are years away from having a nuclear weapon,” a U.S. administration official said.

Three main pieces are needed for a nuclear arsenal: highly enriched uranium to fuel a bomb, a nuclear warhead to detonate it, and a missile or other platform to deliver it. For Iran’s program, the West has the most information about the first.

Iran has a declared nuclear program for medical research and producing energy, is a member of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and allows UN nuclear inspectors into its facilities.

The inspections are conducted by the International Atomic Energy Agency, and its reports provide some of the best snapshots of where Iran’s program stands.

Iran conducts uranium enrichment at the Natanz plant in central Iran and at a site at Fordow buried deep in a mountainous region near the holy city of Qom. Both sites were built secretly and made public by others.

Natanz was unveiled in 2002 by an Iranian opposition group, the Mujahedin-e Khalq. Obama and other world leaders announced the existence of the Fordow site in 2009.

Natanz houses about 8,800 centrifuge machines spinning to increase the concentration of U-235, the type of uranium that yields fissile material. Fordow is built to contain about 3,000 centrifuge machines, but the most recent IAEA report says about 700 are operational.

Most of Iran’s stockpile is 3.5% low enriched uranium. When Tehran declared in February 2010 that it would begin enriching uranium up to 20 percent purity, that sharply increased the anxiety of Israel and others.

Nuclear experts say that enriching uranium from the naturally occurring 0.7% concentration of U-235 to the low-level 3.5 percent accomplishes about 70% of the enrichment work toward weapons-grade uranium. At 20 percent concentration, about nine-tenths of the work has been completed. For Iran, getting to 90 percent would require changing some of the plumbing in the centrifuges, experts said.

“From 20 to 90 is exponentially easier,” a U.S. intelligence official said.

An IAEA report last month said that Iran has produced nearly 110 kilograms (240 pounds) of uranium enriched to 20 percent. That is less than the roughly 250 kilograms (550 pounds) that nuclear experts say would be required, when purified further, for one nuclear weapon.

Iran’s enrichment program was set back by the Stuxnet computer virus, which many security experts suspect was created by Israeli intelligence, possibly with U.S. assistance. It wormed its way into Iranian centrifuge machinery as early as 2009. The Institute for Science and International Security estimated that Stuxnet damaged about 1,000 centrifuges at Natanz and stalled its enrichment capability from growing for about a year.

But it isn’t clear how lasting an impact Stuxnet has had. Reuters reported last month that U.S. and European officials and private experts believe Iranian engineers have neutralized and purged the virus.

EYES IN THE SKY

U.S. officials and experts are confident that Iran would be detected if it jumped to a higher level of enrichment.

The IAEA monitors Iran’s enrichment facilities closely, watching with cameras and taking measurements during inspections. Seals would have to be broken if containers that collect the enriched material were moved or tampered with.

U.S. and European intelligence agencies are also keeping tabs through satellites, sensors and other methods. They watched for years as a hole was dug into a mountainside near Qom and determined – it is unclear precisely how – late in the Bush administration that Fordow was likely a secret uranium enrichment site.

Obama was briefed on Qom when he was president-elect and was the one to publicly announce it to the world in September 2009.

“They had a deep understanding of the facility, which allowed them to blow the whistle on Tehran with confidence,” a U.S. official said.

Rumors periodically pop up of other secret enrichment sites, but so far they have not been substantiated. “Most of the people who make the argument that they might have a covert facility or a series of covert facilities are doing that to justify bombing them sooner rather than later,” said Colin Kahl, a former defense official focused on the Middle East.

“We are very confident that there is no secret site now,” a U.S. administration official said. But given Iran’s history of secretly building facilities, the official predicted Tehran would eventually construct another covert plant.

THE UNKNOWN

One of the biggest question marks is how far Iran advanced in designing a nuclear device – a task considered to be less complicated than producing highly enriched uranium.

The more primitive the device, the more enriched uranium is required. Making it small enough to fit on the tip of a missile would be another challenge.

The IAEA has information that Iran built a large containment chamber to conduct high-explosives tests at the Parchin military complex southeast of Tehran. Conventional weapons are tested at that base, and the U.S. government appears convinced that any nuclear-related tests occurred prior to the 2003 halt.

But Iran denied the IAEA access to the Parchin site in February, raising more suspicion, and the nuclear agency seems less confident that weapons work has halted altogether.

IAEA chief Yukiya Amano said recently, “We have information that some activity is ongoing there.”

In its November 2011 report, the IAEA said it had “serious concerns regarding possible military dimensions to Iran’s nuclear program.”

It cited Iran’s efforts to procure nuclear-related and dual-use equipment, acquisition of nuclear-weapons development information and work on developing a nuclear weapon design in the program that was stopped in late 2003.

“There are also indications that some activities relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device continued after 2003, and that some may still be ongoing,” the IAEA said.

While Iran does not yet have a nuclear warhead that can fit on a missile, it does have the missiles.

Iran has the largest inventory of ballistic missiles in the Middle East, and many of those projectiles could be repurposed to deliver a nuclear device, intelligence director Clapper said in congressional testimony.

Western experts also point to Iran’s test firing of a rocket that can launch satellites into space as an example of a growing capability that could potentially be used for nuclear weapons.

“The nuclear threat is growing. They are getting relatively close to the place where they can make the decision to assemble all three parts of their program — enrichment, missile, weaponization,” House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers said in an interview. Khamenei “hasn’t said ‘put it together’ yet,” said Rogers, a Republican. “Have they decided to sprint to making the device that blows up? Probably not. But are they walking to a device that blows up? Yes.”

The debate over air strikes, supercharged by Israel’s anxiety and U.S. election-year politics, has raised the specter of the Iraq war. The White House justified that conflict on the grounds of weapons of mass destruction, as well as significant ties between Iraq and al Qaeda. Both proved to be mirages.

“There are lots of disturbing similarities. One has to note the differences, too,” said Paul Pillar, a former top CIA analyst.

“The huge difference being we don’t have an administration in office that is the one hankering for the war. This administration is not hankering for a war,” said Pillar.

© Thomson Reuters 2012


I just wish my faith in the US intelligence community's conclusions was as boundless as President Obama's is.


 
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