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Informing the Army’s Future Structure

They don't. You have a fundamental misunderstanding about how legislation works. Legislation rarely covers everything. It covers the key concepts and then empowers various individuals and agencies to fill in the blanks in ever reducing layers. First you have regulations made under the legislation and then directives or orders or policies etc where the legislation and the regulations permit. It is only

Key to what we're talking about is that the reserve force is created as a component of the CAF by the NDA s 15(2) and (3).

Next, under the powers that the NDA grants to the Minister, he has divided the ResF into four sub-components under QR&O 2.034 - namely the primary reserve, the supplementary reserve, the COATS and the Rangers. That's absolutely within the powers granted to the Minister by the legislation. See @Blackadder1916 explanation above. He's bang on as to how it functions.

The key part of 2.034 b. reads:



The NDA itself in s 33(3) states:



So, by virtue of QR&O 2.034 b, members of the supplementary reserve are provided terms of service which makes them subject to the provisions of NDA 33(3) and thereby makes them solely liable to being placed on Active Service unless they volunteer for other types of service or duties.

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Active service and training are both different aspects of the NDA and both have clear requirements.
Although the Governor/ Minister has authority to force things. They do not have the authority to force a class A Reservist to 60 days of training of continues training without a defined required need.
The premise behind the 60 training days a year was broken down into the intent of regular training throughout the year..ie two days a month broken down into 4 half days (Authorizing the training days).
Plus one weekend a month and training concentrations ie spring breaks etc.
What would happen and has happened when the GOC/ Minister failed to provide those 60 training days a year..does the Reservist have to right to grieve the lack of training get pay back, What about when they cancel a course..although the school/ formation may cancel the course the GOC/ Minister are ultimately responsible for theses functions.
Since it is near impossible to charge a class A Reservist for AWOL unless they were at work. Even then it is rare and difficult. I would love to see the COC mandate Class A reservists to attend training for 60 days continuous. You might get two years of this. Then it would fall apart. We don't have the training Cadre nor the equipment to perform such an endeavor.

We tried years ago to enforce if you miss x amount of days your NES, or miss two major exercises in a row and your considered NES. (Total time would equal 14 days with Easter ex). Turns out the Military understands reservists who work shift work, public safety/Healthcare etc can not attend some training exs.

Now it would make.more sense to move Reseve Units to Active service to fill the QRF for NATO or UN on a 6 month basis. They would not have to "deploy" but you could train the group up.pretty good under the auspice they are the ready response. That might be more palatable by the Reservist and their employers. I doubt it.


If you want to fix our Army Reserve, first thing is better define their role. Equip them properly and give them a proper budget. Provide the training and opportunity for them to work with the Regular Force on contracts at all levels.

Once you provide good training and good opportunities, then you can provide good recruiting. Anything else's and your throwing money out the door
 
Once you provide good training and good opportunities, then you can provide good recruiting. Anything else's and your throwing money out the door

And you can't provide good training and good opportunities without money and to get money you need to sell something.

And in order to sell something you have to define a purpose for whatever it is you are selling.

And if you can't define that purpose convincingly to yourself you can't convince anybody to part with their money.

What is the purpose of the Canadian Armed Forces?
The Canadian Army?
The Reserves?

One sentence statements repeated twice, please.
 
Active service and training are both different aspects of the NDA and both have clear requirements.
Although the Governor/ Minister has authority to force things. They do not have the authority to force a class A Reservist to 60 days of training of continues training without a defined required need.
Well actually they do. Albeit no one is talking about 60 continuous days - just 60 Class A days per year.

NDA s33(2) says:

33.(2) The reserve force, all units and other elements thereof and all officers and non-commissioned members thereof

(a) may be ordered to train for such periods as are prescribed in regulations made by the Governor in Council; and
(b) may be called out on service to perform any lawful duty other than training at such times and in such manner as by regulations or otherwise are prescribed by the Governor in Council.

QR&O 9.04(2) says:
(2) Subject to any limitations prescribed by the Chief of the Defence Staff, a member of the Primary Reserve may be ordered to train each year on Class "B" Reserve Service prescribed under subparagraph (1)(b) of article 9.07 (Class "B" Reserve Service) for a period not exceeding 15 days and on Class "A" Reserve Service (see article 9.06 - Class "A" Reserve Service), for a period not exceeding 60 days.

QR&O 9,04 is an order in council - (P.C. 2007-215 of 22 February 2007)
The premise behind the 60 training days a year was broken down into the intent of regular training throughout the year..ie two days a month broken down into 4 half days (Authorizing the training days).
Plus one weekend a month and training concentrations ie spring breaks etc.
What would happen and has happened when the GOC/ Minister failed to provide those 60 training days a year..does the Reservist have to right to grieve the lack of training get pay back, What about when they cancel a course..although the school/ formation may cancel the course the GOC/ Minister are ultimately responsible for theses functions.

All of this is irrelevant. The words are "may" not "shall".
Since it is near impossible to charge a class A Reservist for AWOL unless they were at work. Even then it is rare and difficult.
You can charge a reservist. Not under the Code of Service Discipline but under s 294

  • 294 (1) Every officer or non-commissioned member of the reserve force who without lawful excuse neglects or refuses to attend any parade or training at the place and hour appointed therefor is guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction for each offence, if an officer, to a fine not exceeding fifty dollars and, if a non-commissioned member, to a fine not exceeding twenty-five dollars.
  • Marginal note:Each absence an offence
    (2) Absence from any parade or training referred to in subsection (1) is, in respect of each day on which the absence occurs, a separate offence.
I would love to see the COC mandate Class A reservists to attend training for 60 days continuous. You might get two years of this. Then it would fall apart. We don't have the training Cadre nor the equipment to perform such an endeavor.

We tried years ago to enforce if you miss x amount of days your NES, or miss two major exercises in a row and your considered NES. (Total time would equal 14 days with Easter ex). Turns out the Military understands reservists who work shift work, public safety/Healthcare etc can not attend some training exs.
Non Effective Strength is different concept and has nothing to do with being ordered to train. It applies as well to failing to attend voluntary training activities and is an administrative action which ultimately leads to release from the CAF.
Now it would make.more sense to move Reseve Units to Active service to fill the QRF for NATO or UN on a 6 month basis. They would not have to "deploy" but you could train the group up.pretty good under the auspice they are the ready response. That might be more palatable by the Reservist and their employers. I doubt it.
You do not quite understand what Active Service is nor how the CAF manages deployments or quick reaction forces.
If you want to fix our Army Reserve, first thing is better define their role. Equip them properly and give them a proper budget. Provide the training and opportunity for them to work with the Regular Force on contracts at all levels.
That I agree with.

Once you provide good training and good opportunities, then you can provide good recruiting. Anything else's and your throwing money out the door
That too.

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Enforcing NES has a lot more to do with no one seeing much benefit to kicking someone out, while simultaneously seeing a whole bunch of admin they’d rather not deal with.
One of the jobs I was doing early in my military legal field was NES kit recovery claims for Manitoba Militia District. To say that NES administration in most ResF units is a shambles and mostly characterized by avoiding the issue entirely is a tremendous understatement. My guess is that there has been zero change.

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One of the jobs I was doing early in my military legal field was NES kit recovery claims for Manitoba Militia District. To say that NES administration in most ResF units is a shambles and mostly characterized by avoiding the issue entirely is a tremendous understatement. My guess is that there has been zero change.

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Now have full time chains of command whose careers are impacted by questions like “why do you have 30 troops who haven’t trained in ten months” and you probably see that start to get addressed.
 
Now have full time chains of command whose careers are impacted by questions like “why do you have 30 troops who haven’t trained in ten months” and you probably see that start to get addressed.

One of the disincentives to clearing out unit NES, unconscious or otherwise, is bragging rights over which CO has more troops on strength.

'Body count' is just about the only KPI reported in the ARes that anyone cares about.
 
One of the disincentives to clearing out unit NES, unconscious or otherwise, is bragging rights over which CO has more troops on strength.

'Body count' is just about the only KPI reported in the ARes that anyone cares about.
And one where automated reporting of people actually parading was fought for a long time for just that reason...
 
To my mind the real lesson to take from the war is the importance of gaining and maintaining air superiority. Achieve that and the whole way the war is fought changes. Tube artillery which has been a key factor in Ukraine suddenly becomes extremely vulnerable (self propelled or not) if you lose air superiority. Once the enemy's artillery is off the table then massing for maneuver again becomes an option. Meanwhile the enemy's ability to reposition forces to face a threat is challenged.
Would expect some lessons on information flow, processing, and communication back, re: the pervasive drones would also be valuable.
 
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It's all a matter of how the carpenter uses their tools. Don't blame the tools. Blame the carpenter.
To be fair there were better tools on the market.


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It Seems Ukraine’s French-Made Recon Vehicles Are In Position To Break Through Russian Lines

Look for Ukrainian reinforcements to roll into Novodonetske in order to exploit the gap the 23rd and 31st Mechanized Brigades are opening in the Russian line.
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Our Medium Weight Army is not a Break-Through/Penetration Army. It can be a Patrolling Army that can dominate large areas of the field in War and Peace. It can be a Multi-Domaine Army.

It would be nice though, if the 60% of the Army that was designed for the Medium Weight / Multi-Domaine / Patrolling fight were balanced by a longer ranging lighter 30% (heli and air portable with lighter vehicles), as well as a really heavy, really well equipped 10%.

Regular - 50% Command and Support-Logistics and Training, 30% Medium/LAV, 15% Light/Helo, 5% Heavy/Armoured.
Reserves - Platoons, Troops, Batteries, Squadrons and Companies - focused on basic skills. Truck drivers, communicators, AD gunners, rifles, light cavalry - and secondary roles as support gunners, tankers and IFV operators.
It appears that some of the shine has come off of the AMX-10RC's shipped to Ukraine.

 
They're a recce vehicle try and use them as some sort of ad hoc assuallt vehicle and you'll end up as a bad example of how not to do things.
 
They're a recce vehicle try and use them as some sort of ad hoc assuallt vehicle and you'll end up as a bad example of how not to do things.
They where an Lightly Armored Recce Vehicle in the age when that was a thing.
It was designed in the 70's, introduced in the 1980's, it's basically a Cougar but with a 105mm Medium Pressure gun instead of the 76mm.

Any takers to go crew a Cougar in Ukraine?

Thought not.
 
They where an Lightly Armored Recce Vehicle in the age when that was a thing.
It was designed in the 70's, introduced in the 1980's, it's basically a Cougar but with a 105mm Medium Pressure gun instead of the 76mm.

Any takers to go crew a Cougar in Ukraine?

Thought not.

Howsabout a HUMVEE?
 
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