Infantry Vehicles

[FJAG]

I mean all of that sounds like an infantry platoon, but organic to the recce Sqn. Sounds like a great task for a reserve unit with 8 odd TAPVs to move 4 assault sections.

I think @TangoTwoBravo in that thread said he didn't care about the hat badge and I'm kind of with him on that. What really matters is the doctrine.

The idea of having the assault troop as an ARes role strikes me as a mobilization concept which is something the CAF doesn't believe in any more. It strikes me the current philosophy (I can't call it doctrine) is to equip our deployed forces moderately and our stay at home force just enough to be able to train for deployment. We are neither training or equipping the ARes to mobilize to create a bigger force than the RegF by itself. It's augmentation.

I see the assault troop in a proper brigade or divisional cavalry squadron/regiment to be more highly trained then your Mark 1 No 1* recce crewman. They could or should have skills above and beyond recce in such things as dismounted patrols, ambushes, demolitions, ATGM direct fire support, perhaps indirect fire support through mortars and loitering munitions, mining and demining, rear-link communications etc. Basically I see it as the squadron's Swiss Army Knife that operate concentrated or parcelled out to the recce troops as the situation dictates.

I can see reservist in many cavalry roles but not within the current RegF/ResF model.

 

[Kirkhill]

Swedes and Finns investing armoured 14 tonne 4x4 APC/PMVs as part of their fleet.

So a TAPV with a sensible layout that doesn't tip - Kind of like a Roshel Senator variant.

Sweden Accepts First Army GTP Armored Personnel Carriers From Finland

Sweden has accepted its first batch of a planned 260 GTP armored personnel carriers from Finland for the Swedish Army.

www.thedefensepost.com

And for general info - the Finnish version of the LAV ACSV (except that it is an amphibian)

 

[PrairieFella]

Swedes and Finns investing armoured 14 tonne 4x4 APC/PMVs as part of their fleet.

So a TAPV with a sensible layout that doesn't tip - Kind of like a Roshel Senator variant.

Sweden Accepts First Army GTP Armored Personnel Carriers From Finland

Sweden has accepted its first batch of a planned 260 GTP armored personnel carriers from Finland for the Swedish Army.

www.thedefensepost.com

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And for general info - the Finnish version of the LAV ACSV (except that it is an amphibian)

A TAPV is not even close to a Senator, entirely different roles. One is a PMV, the other is an MRAP for convoy escorts we pretend is an AFV.

 

[Brad Sallows]

For now an ARes "mission task" has to be something that has slots that can mostly be filled by people with entry-level training in one occupation, that can be completed in a reasonable count of summer weeks and maintained within the sacred 37.5 days.

 

[FJAG]

For now an ARes "mission task" has to be something that has slots that can mostly be filled by people with entry-level training in one occupation, that can be completed in a reasonable count of summer weeks and maintained within the sacred 37.5 days.

Interestingly I agree in large part. I.e. I see a program of mandatory training where a recruit has to take all training to reach DP1 status during summer months and thereafter has to attend 41.5 days (10 x 2.5 day weekends and a 16.5 day summer training event) of mandatory training annually to maintain his status. Any training additional to DP1 is entirely voluntary and outside of the 41.5 days.

That raises the issue of driver training. Does one want driver training on the trade's primary vehicle to be part of a mandatory DP1 course or part of a voluntary DP2 course?

I generally tend to look at DP1 as a two summer event for a high school student so therefore 4 x 4 week modules (or 96 training days based on a six-day training week). That basically means that if, for any particular trade, driver training can fall within those 96 days then it can be part of DP1 and if not needs to move into DP2.

I tend to be wary of the phrase "ARes mission task". It tends to pigeon hole the reservists' use in the eyes of the RegF. IMHO, the aim should always be to, as a minimum, generate formed subunits within a RegF led unit of their trade or occupation.

 

[suffolkowner]

A TAPV is not even close to a Senator, entirely different roles. One is a PMV, the other is an MRAP for convoy escorts we pretend is an AFV.

it will be interesting to compare the TAPV to the new NGFV and LUVW-SMP

 

[PrairieFella]

it will be interesting to compare the TAPV to the new NGFV and LUVW-SMP

I'm not sure if NGFV is anything beyond a name, I think there's zero work done on it, although I could be wrong. The best way to look at the projects is by echelon. NGFV will be purely F Ech, hopefully tracked.

LUV will be A2/B Ech for battle admin and transport and a trainer for the RCAC ARes, which is a mistake imo, the RCAC ARes units have had tanks and AFVs before, they can handle a light AFV now. Either way, that's not overly relevant to infantry fighting vehicles haha.

 

[suffolkowner]

The LUV-SMP choices are for 1500 from

AM General JLTV a2 or Humvee Sabre??
Ohskosh JLTV ???
Armatec ????
Roshshel SENLUV/SENRAP??

the NGFV choices are for 55 to 75 from

Ohskosh JLTV
Thales Hawkei
GDLS Eagle V

 

[PuckChaser]

I'm not sure if NGFV is anything beyond a name, I think there's zero work done on it, although I could be wrong. The best way to look at the projects is by echelon. NGFV will be purely F Ech, hopefully tracked.

You could have Googled NGFV so you weren't wrong on literally everything you just said.

 

[PrairieFella]

You could have Googled NGFV so you weren't wrong on literally everything you just said.

Mixing up my afv projects, my mistake.

 

[KevinB]

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[FJAG]

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They need to learn how to spell and proof read

ADVANCED TECHNOGLOY AND SAFETY FOR MISSION SUCCESS​

Do you really want to be in a vehicle subject to bullets and splinters and mine strikes and have a big honking battery in it?

 

[dapaterson]

They need to learn how to spell and proof read



Do you really want to be in a vehicle subject to bullets and splinters and mine strikes and have a big honking battery in it?

Gasoline and diesel totally never burn or explode is what you're saying?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Gasoline and diesel totally never burn or explode is what you're saying?

There are almost no gasoline military vehicles, anywhere. Even then- put a metal mesh in the gas tank and it is almost impossible for it to explode.

Diesel burns, but does not explode (generally). It also responds well to fire fighting foam and dry chemical fire extinguishers. Batteries, not so much…

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Anyone remembers the old naval FF/DC school, where the instructors would throw a burning log from the class A fire into the diesel pit where the diesel oil would snuff it instead of catching fire? For diesel oil to burn, it has to be somehow heated before it generates enough fumes to catch fire. Even then it takes a while to get going into full inferno mode.

 

[KevinB]

They need to learn how to spell and proof read



Do you really want to be in a vehicle subject to bullets and splinters and mine strikes and have a big honking battery in it?

Definitely a downside. But the ability to move without an internal combustion engine running can be a major enabler for certain tasks.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Anyone remembers the old naval FF/DC school, where the instructors would throw a burning log from the class A fire into the diesel pit where the diesel oil would snuff it instead of catching fire? For diesel oil to burn, it has to be somehow heated before it generates enough fumes to catch fire. Even then it takes a while to get going into full inferno mode.

I still have nightmares about the diesel fire flashing in rolls of flames over my head…me in Chemox and the silver “rainsuit” firefighting gear….

But the kicker was, even without AFFF, we could eventually get the fire out with just water.

 

[dimsum]

I still have nightmares about the diesel fire flashing in rolls of flames over my head…me in Chemox and the silver “rainsuit” firefighting gear….

But the kicker was, even without AFFF, we could eventually get the fire out with just water.

Me too.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Me too.

It was damned good training for the real thing….

 

[Halifax Tar]

I still have nightmares about the diesel fire flashing in rolls of flames over my head…me in Chemox and the silver “rainsuit” firefighting gear….

But the kicker was, even without AFFF, we could eventually get the fire out with just water.

That was damned good training. For all the bells and whistles of the 'new' trainer I don't think it has the same feel.

I've never seen people scared at the new trainer, at the old one, I saw people drop hoses. It was good! It forced you to face the heat and flames and trust your kit, Even if it was a chemox and a fire retardant rain suit lol