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Hybrid Electric Vehicles

The British finally dumped lightweight vehicles like that because they got blown up alot. I wonder if it's already obsolete ...

A tool isn't obsolete because some people misuse them. There's a role for light vehicles. Ukrainians are showing this in spades.

And the biggest value in electrifying or hybridizing them is the reduced signature. Especially acoustic. And especially as deployable MEMS sensors become common. Also seen in Ukraine.
 
A tool isn't obsolete because some people misuse them. There's a role for light vehicles. Ukrainians are showing this in spades.

And the biggest value in electrifying or hybridizing them is the reduced signature. Especially acoustic. And especially as deployable MEMS sensors become common. Also seen in Ukraine.


@ytz - I am happy to meet you half way. I am all for making things more efficient. The basic components of the Hybrid vehicles exist in the conventional ICE vehicle. The difference is that the emphasis is on a different syllable.

ICE and HEV - battery
ICE and HEV - electric motor (starter vs drive)
ICE and HEV - generator
ICE and HEV - ICE
ICE and HEV - fuel system
ICE and HEV - drive train

The change is evolutionary, not revolutionary.

And as to the notion of EV fleets - I grew up in Britain in the 1950s and 60s. My dad delivered milk by horse and wagon in Scotland until his father could afford to buy an ICE truck. That worked for a small market town with a large rural area. When we moved to London our milk was delivered by electric trucks (floats they were called). They were the common solution for all delivery services through out London. The power came from the same source that powered the Underground - the Battersea Power Station.


An aerial view of London's grand Battersea Power Station redevelopment


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This is the Hoegdalenverket municipal power plant in Stockholm


Sweden also uses Ikea waste....


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The Swedes are both progressive AND conservative. They advance cautiously but they advance.
 
@ytz - I am happy to meet you half way. I am all for making things more efficient. The basic components of the Hybrid vehicles exist in the conventional ICE vehicle. The difference is that the emphasis is on a different syllable.

ICE and HEV - battery
ICE and HEV - electric motor (starter vs drive)
ICE and HEV - generator
ICE and HEV - ICE
ICE and HEV - fuel system
ICE and HEV - drive train

The change is evolutionary, not revolutionary.

I don't see the debate here. A lot of people think exactly one solution will win. That's just recency bias because we're all used to a specific model of largely one solution for consumers (petrol) and a similarly different solution for commercial sector (diesel). That's not how the future will unfold though. It'll be a spectrum with pure combustion of pure liquid fuels at one end. And pure batteries at the other. Some hybrid setup in the middle. Exact setup will depend on application and economy with movement over time towards EVs as batteries get cheaper. A simple rhetorical to think this through. If an electric RAV4 and a pure gas RAV4 were the exact same price (without subsidies), what would respective sales shares be? Battery price trends say this might go from hypothetical to a real question around 2030-2032.

But that's looking at the general case. Military applications, as we're discussing here are a whole different ballgame. The consideration isn't economic, it's mission suitability. The value of electrification (more specifically hybridization....nobody is really proposing pure electrics here) there is signature reduction enabling functionality like silent overwatch. Having a small buggy that can run sensors without running an engine and can mount an ATGM is a pretty useful asset. If you're using it to patrol MSRs, then obviously it's not great. But that's not appropriate use of such a system either.
 
I don't see the debate here. A lot of people think exactly one solution will win. That's just recency bias because we're all used to a specific model of largely one solution for consumers (petrol) and a similarly different solution for commercial sector (diesel). That's not how the future will unfold though. It'll be a spectrum with pure combustion of pure liquid fuels at one end. And pure batteries at the other. Some hybrid setup in the middle. Exact setup will depend on application and economy with movement over time towards EVs as batteries get cheaper. A simple rhetorical to think this through. If an electric RAV4 and a pure gas RAV4 were the exact same price (without subsidies), what would respective sales shares be? Battery price trends say this might go from hypothetical to a real question around 2030-2032.

But that's looking at the general case. Military applications, as we're discussing here are a whole different ballgame. The consideration isn't economic, it's mission suitability. The value of electrification (more specifically hybridization....nobody is really proposing pure electrics here) there is signature reduction enabling functionality like silent overwatch. Having a small buggy that can run sensors without running an engine and can mount an ATGM is a pretty useful asset. If you're using it to patrol MSRs, then obviously it's not great. But that's not appropriate use of such a system either.
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