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Solar and battery storage for DND bases makes great sense as you harden the base from energy failures. Places that have gone heavily into solar power are finding that you can't have all the houses in an area feed back into the grid as it causes a lot of issues, meaning that the revenue they were promised is not forthcoming. Also with the loss of customers, feeder lines into areas will become unprofitable and will not be maintained or expanded. Forcing people to go solar whether they can afford it or not.
 
Solar and battery storage for DND bases makes great sense as you harden the base from energy failures. Places that have gone heavily into solar power are finding that you can't have all the houses in an area feed back into the grid as it causes a lot of issues, meaning that the revenue they were promised is not forthcoming. Also with the loss of customers, feeder lines into areas will become unprofitable and will not be maintained or expanded. Forcing people to go solar whether they can afford it or not.
Like Albertans
 
There's a lot of factors at play. Per-unit cost of solar (and probably wind) have no doubt come down, but reduced mass storage costs will be the big game changer. Our entire grid was designed on the basis of a few large sources feeding multiple loads, often at significant distance. Consumer generation, feed-in tariffs, etc. were accommodated by so-called 'smart grid' technology, but to do that across an entire interconnect or a nation will be a significant cost. When it is cloudy or calm, it is typically cloudy or calm for a large area and energy has to move in from further away. Even at the local level, some utilities had to throttle their consumer-generation capacity simply because their distribution network couldn't handle anymore.

Beyond the fact of papering productive farmland with panels or turbines, increasing urban density will see fewer single family detached homes and more multi-residence buildings like condos or apartments, and they only have so much roof space, and the remaining SFHs have to deal with shading from tree canopy and those encroaching tall buildings. In Canada, winter energy demands are high, and the solar energy is low, and the higher in latitude, the lower it gets.
 
There's a lot of factors at play. Per-unit cost of solar (and probably wind) have no doubt come down, but reduced mass storage costs will be the big game changer. Our entire grid was designed on the basis of a few large sources feeding multiple loads, often at significant distance. Consumer generation, feed-in tariffs, etc. were accommodated by so-called 'smart grid' technology, but to do that across an entire interconnect or a nation will be a significant cost. When it is cloudy or calm, it is typically cloudy or calm for a large area and energy has to move in from further away. Even at the local level, some utilities had to throttle their consumer-generation capacity simply because their distribution network couldn't handle anymore.

Beyond the fact of papering productive farmland with panels or turbines, increasing urban density will see fewer single family detached homes and more multi-residence buildings like condos or apartments, and they only have so much roof space, and the remaining SFHs have to deal with shading from tree canopy and those encroaching tall buildings. In Canada, winter energy demands are high, and the solar energy is low, and the higher in latitude, the lower it gets.
both solar and storage are coming down so fast over the last 5 yrs that is difficult to know how far to extrapolate into the future. ive never seen an overestimate yet though depends how long you can bet on wrights law

at least in Ontario productive farmland is off limits in most cases. Class 3,2, 1 are a no go. Class 4 or 5 land is marginal pasture. could graze animals with panels or windmills. My land is class 4 but i think if tile drained it would be 1 or 2 easily close to 2 feet of clay based soil. March was in the past one of the best months for solar. That might not be true with newer more efficient panels though
 
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US sources of electricity for 2023. Still got a ways to go.

Don’t worry, in 24 months, solar will move from 3.9% to surpassing natural gas’ 43% to be the cheapest most plentiful energy source in America - a 1000% increase in two years or an annualized 500% increase. Well achievable by all reasonable assessments of the renewable energy sector.
 
Don’t worry, in 24 months, solar will move from 3.9% to surpassing natural gas’ 43% to be the cheapest most plentiful energy source in America - a 1000% increase in two years or an annualized 500% increase. Well achievable by all reasonable assessments of the renewable energy sector.
i dont think thats what it says just that it will be cheaper including storage note that onshore wind already is the cheapestand i think already including storage

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Don’t worry, in 24 months, solar will move from 3.9% to surpassing natural gas’ 43% to be the cheapest most plentiful energy source in America - a 1000% increase in two years or an annualized 500% increase. Well achievable by all reasonable assessments of the renewable energy sector.
where is the land for these panel fields and what happens at night? I really don't see the practicality of spending the money for power twice
 
both solar and storage are coming down so fast over the last 5 yrs that is difficult to know how far to extrapolate into the future. ive never seen an overestimate yet though depends how long you can bet on wrights law

As usual, the Canadian perspective is not at all in line with global reality. Two great examples show the potential of solar.

1) Australia. Something like 35% of their electricity comes from solar. And most of that is from rooftop solar. They have got the permitting and installation down so much that it's a few thousand dollars to install. Which means that it's now almost default on new homes. And gaining traction every year. The reasons we don't have a similar boom in North America is the inability to get soft costs down and the hesitation on Chinese solar panels.

2) Pakistan. This is a story few know. Poor country. Bad power grid. Lots of natural disasters lately. In 2023, researchers started noticing that Pakistani electricity demand was not keeping up with population and economic growth. Then they checked satellite imagery and Chinese export data. Over 2023 and 2024, Pakistan somehow became the sixth largest solar buyer in the world. They increased power generation by nearly 50%. All of that was Chinese solar on roofs. Most of it was unsubsidized. And now their national utility is actually in trouble because they built a bunch of large power plants (with Chinese financing) that they may not have demand for. This wasn't planned or controlled. It happened because solar was just so cheap and people were fed up with grid reliability. Solar is going to do for electricity in the developing world what mobiles did for telephony and communication for them.

Bonus example. Solar has gotten so cheap in Europe, that in some places they simply use them as fence panels or siding and get some power as a bonus.


Canada being uniquely incompetent doesn't make a technology globally irrelevant.

at least in Ontario productive farmland is off limits in most cases. Class 3,2, 1 are a no go. Class 4 or 5 land is marginal pasture. could graze animals with panels or windmills. My land is class 4 but i think if tile drained it would be 1 or 2 easily close to 2 feet of clay based soil. March was in the past one of the best months for solar. That might not be true with newer more efficient panels though

Long term, the money isn't on giant solar farms on farmland (although agrovoltaics is a thing). It's on rooftop where it can supplement enough to dramatically reduce peak loads, particularly in the summer. Just look at how much parking space that could be productive, with panels on top. Or how many big box stores could do well with rooftop solar. Even apartment buildings, they might not need most of their energy. But they could certainly power up all their common areas.

Lastly, there's a weird obsession with edge cases. And the best example of how absurd this can be, is internet penetration. Globally, internet usage only reached 50% in 2018. Now imagine somebody saying in 2000, "This internet thing will never be useful. Only a handful of people use it. We should really invest more in the postal service."
 
As usual, the Canadian perspective is not at all in line with global reality. Two great examples show the potential of solar.

1) Australia. Something like 35% of their electricity comes from solar. And most of that is from rooftop solar. They have got the permitting and installation down so much that it's a few thousand dollars to install. Which means that it's now almost default on new homes. And gaining traction every year. The reasons we don't have a similar boom in North America is the inability to get soft costs down and the hesitation on Chinese solar panels.

2) Pakistan. This is a story few know. Poor country. Bad power grid. Lots of natural disasters lately. In 2023, researchers started noticing that Pakistani electricity demand was not keeping up with population and economic growth. Then they checked satellite imagery and Chinese export data. Over 2023 and 2024, Pakistan somehow became the sixth largest solar buyer in the world. They increased power generation by nearly 50%. All of that was Chinese solar on roofs. Most of it was unsubsidized. And now their national utility is actually in trouble because they built a bunch of large power plants (with Chinese financing) that they may not have demand for. This wasn't planned or controlled. It happened because solar was just so cheap and people were fed up with grid reliability. Solar is going to do for electricity in the developing world what mobiles did for telephony and communication for them.

Bonus example. Solar has gotten so cheap in Europe, that in some places they simply use them as fence panels or siding and get some power as a bonus.


Canada being uniquely incompetent doesn't make a technology globally irrelevant.



Long term, the money isn't on giant solar farms on farmland (although agrovoltaics is a thing). It's on rooftop where it can supplement enough to dramatically reduce peak loads, particularly in the summer. Just look at how much parking space that could be productive, with panels on top. Or how many big box stores could do well with rooftop solar. Even apartment buildings, they might not need most of their energy. But they could certainly power up all their common areas.

Lastly, there's a weird obsession with edge cases. And the best example of how absurd this can be, is internet penetration. Globally, internet usage only reached 50% in 2018. Now imagine somebody saying in 2000, "This internet thing will never be useful. Only a handful of people use it. We should really invest more in the postal service."


So…move Canada to be as close to the Equator as Australia is and buy all the solar infrastructure from China.

Check.
 
So…move Canada to be as close to the Equator as Australia is and buy all the solar infrastructure from China.

Check.
well we decided we didnt want to invest in our own solar infrastructure so thems the breaks i guess

I dont think its equatorial Australia thats generating the solar. Distance/customer/heat
 
Australia is the sunniest continent on the planet with over 3000 sunlight hours per year compared to 2400 in Canada... if only we could harvest cold for energy.
theyre not the same thing. Cool is good. Sun is good. Its hard to get sun without the heat though. Its why my solar panel still performs best in March
 
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So…move Canada to be as close to the Equator as Australia is and buy all the solar infrastructure from China.

Check.

This is the wrong way to think about this. Solar panels are more useful at Equatorial latitudes. But utility doesn't go to zero at our latitudes. Return is just slightly worse. But the cheaper that panels get, the less that matter. That's why Europeans at similar latitudes are increasingly installing them. All that matter is the amortized installed cost in comparison to the cost of the grid (we're lucky in Canada to have really cheap power that's true). And some parts of the country are actually blessed with more solar potential despite being at a higher latitude, like the Prairies. Here's the map that shows the expected annual power generation per kW installed:

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Source: Photovoltaic potential and solar resource maps of Canada

By global standards this is not bad. A huge chunk of China (the leading installer of PV by a country mile) has half its country in worse irradiance than most of our settled areas.

More to the point, this isn't a binary problem where it's all or nothing. Our power grid is usually designed for the worst peaks, which is usually sunny summer days when everybody has their AC on. If every low rise home just had enough panels equal to the size of their air conditioner, that would substantially shave the peak off the system and dramatically reduce the overall investment needed in the grid, since those panels would be generating a ton at exactly the time those air conditioners are cranking. In any event, the tech keeps getting cheaper, and more popular. We'll eventually get to the same point as Australia where it is cheap enough that a small 5 kW panel is simply a $10k add-on that ends up cutting 50-80% of the electric bill.
 
I dont think its equatorial Australia thats generating the solar. Distance/customer/heat

Yeah. That was a strange idea. The majority of Australians don't live in their equatorial regions, Sydney is as far south as Dallas is north. Melbourne is as far south as Nashville is north. Nobody thinks of Dallas and Nashville as cities on the equator.
 
Solar Subsidies in Germany, Solar panels in Spain: Grants - Everything you need to know Every country I checked provides subsidies and incentives for the installation of solar. I suspect that if you stopped the subsidy the installation of panels would stop too. Both Germany and England have dealt with brownouts and blackouts this winter or have bought electricity at exorbitant rates. The only countries with a really stable electricity supply are France, relying on nuclear and Switzerland with its abundant hydro. GB has delayed the closure of several gas powered stations because the green stuff doesn't work when you need it the most. I saw some photos of the solar fields in Florida after the last hurricane; an environmental disaster that we seem to have ignored. I could go on but what's the use: the Kool-Aid has already been served out.
 
Two questions:

1) how much cheaper is hydro and nuclear compared to solar at scale-Both initial installation and continued operation especially in the mining and production of rare metals?

2) when these cells and batteries fail-and they will in time-how much of a pollution problem will they be vis-a-vis replacing them and disposing of them?

:unsure:
 
Two questions:

1) how much cheaper is hydro and nuclear compared to solar at scale-Both initial installation and continued operation especially in the mining and production of rare metals?

2) when these cells and batteries fail-and they will in time-how much of a pollution problem will they be vis-a-vis replacing them and disposing of them?

:unsure:
1- theyre not and havent been for a while
2-theres no free rides but both are recyclable more in theory right now than practice for panels as far as i know. Wouldnt surprise me if lots are landfilled in some places
 
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