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China is however a lot more discrete.
Houthi Red Sea Blockade
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daftandbarmy
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FWIW, this was informative:
What Is Wrong with the Arab World?
Currently, Iraq and Syria are the primary theaters of proxy wars pitting Saudi Arabia and its Gulf allies against Iran. The Saudi-Iranian cold war for primacy in the Persian Gulf is being largely played out in the Fertile Crescent. This proxy conflict has contributed heavily to the surge of sectarianism in both Iraq and Syria. This is related to the fact that Saudi Arabia is a fundamentalist, Sunni state that is viscerally anti-Shia while Iran is the leading Shia state in the Middle East. Both have stoked the fires of Sunni-Shia conflict to serve their own ends although the Saudi contribution is far greater than that of Iran. The Shia are a minority in the Arab Middle East, even if they are a majority in Iraq and a plurality in Lebanon, and Iran is a non-Arab state. Tehran, therefore, has to be much more discrete in how it plays the Shia card if it is to retain influence in the predominantly Sunni Arab world.
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And what about those lasers…
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www.navytimes.com
Amid Red Sea clashes, Navy leaders ask: Where are our ship lasers?
“We’re 10 years down the road and we still don’t have something we can field?”
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Moar strikes ...
news.usni.org
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... and, for the record, this from the joint info-machines
www.canada.ca
Major U.S., U.K. Strike Hits Houthi Missile, Drone Infrastructure - USNI News
The U.S. and U.K. conducted a major round of strikes on Houthi targets in Yemen amid the group’s ongoing attacks on commercial shipping and warships in the Red Sea. Including help from Canada, Australia, the Netherlands and Bahrain, the U.S. and the United Kingdom hit eight targets in...
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US Defense officials say more large scale strikes conducted against Houthi forces
US and UK forces attacked Houthi rebels on Monday, striking about 10 locations in Yemen with tomahawk missiles and F-18 fighter jets, according to Defense officials.
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U.S., U.K. renew strikes on Houthi targets as Red Sea attacks continue - National | Globalnews.ca
The bombing saw warship- and submarine-launched Tomahawk missiles and fighter jets take out what officials said were Houthi underground storage sites and launchers.
globalnews.ca
US, British militaries launch new round of joint strikes against multiple Houthi sites in Yemen
The U.S. and British militaries have bombed eight locations used by the Iranian-backed Houthis in Yemen.
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Joint Statement from Australia, Bahrain, Canada, the Netherlands, United Kingdom, and United States on Additional Strikes Against the Houthis in Yemen - Canada.ca
Today, the militaries of the United States and United Kingdom, at the direction of their respective governments with support from Australia, Bahrain, Canada, and the Netherlands, conducted an additional round of proportionate and necessary strikes against 8 Houthi targets in Yemen in response to...
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New Zealand to deploy Defence Force to Red Sea
New Zealand will send a six-member Defence Force team to help protect shipping in the Red Sea from Houthi attacks.
www.rnz.co.nz
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The EU ain't there. The EU won't bear. The EU don't care.
www.telegraph.co.uk
The Dutch are siding with the Brits this time out - Back to the days of De Witt and the common origins of the Marines.
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Europe still has its ancient problem. Germany is split. There is Europe north of the Danube and east of the Rhine. There is Europe south of the Danube and west of the Rhine.
For the Germans the split, culturally, is between the Prussians (Hanseatic and Lutheran) and the Bavarians (Gallo-Roman and Catholic).
This map still applies.
The British and Irish maps get it a bit wrong. Ireland, Wales and England were split between the Romanized locals and the local Germano-Celts.
The EU has given up on the world outside its borders
The threat posed by the Houthis is obvious even in Brussels, but once again the EU is its own worst enemy
www.telegraph.co.uk
The Dutch are siding with the Brits this time out - Back to the days of De Witt and the common origins of the Marines.
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Europe still has its ancient problem. Germany is split. There is Europe north of the Danube and east of the Rhine. There is Europe south of the Danube and west of the Rhine.
For the Germans the split, culturally, is between the Prussians (Hanseatic and Lutheran) and the Bavarians (Gallo-Roman and Catholic).
This map still applies.
The British and Irish maps get it a bit wrong. Ireland, Wales and England were split between the Romanized locals and the local Germano-Celts.
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I wonder how much longer it will be before enough is enough. Iran sits there and pulls strings and the Houthis or Hezbollah or whatever react accordingly. At what point do you stop cutting off whacking the peripherals and go for the head of the hydra?
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Hate to burst your bubble, but as analogies go, you never go for the head of the Hydra (very bad idea!) ... you go for the heart.
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Apparently they were all mounted on sharks, and then the sharks left.
need a whoops buttonHate to burst your bubble, but as analogies go, you never go for the head of the Hydra (very bad idea!) ... you go for the heart.
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They're gonna be there, a bit, anyway ...
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Italy, France and Greece want to lead an EU mission in the Red Sea. international - D1SoftballNews
Italy, France and Greece want to lead a new EU mission in the Red Sea to protect European ships from attacks by Yemen's Houthis. The three countries also want
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Spanish abstention clears way for EU naval mission in Red Sea
EU countries have provsionally agreed to launch a Red Sea naval mission alongside the US after Spain showed it wouldn't stand in the way.
EU to launch Red Sea naval mission to protect ships from rebel attacks
The Houthis have waged a persistent campaign of drone and missile attacks on commercial ships since the start of the Israel-Hamas war in October.
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E.U. to launch Red Sea naval mission to protect ships from rebel attacks
The European Union plans to launch a naval mission in the Red Sea within three weeks to help defend cargo ships against attacks by Houthi rebels in Yemen...
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They're gonna be there, a bit, anyway ...
Italy, France and Greece want to lead an EU mission in the Red Sea. international - D1SoftballNews
Italy, France and Greece want to lead a new EU mission in the Red Sea to protect European ships from attacks by Yemen's Houthis. The three countries also wantEU to launch Red Sea mission, will not take part in strikes against HouthisSpanish abstention clears way for EU naval mission in Red Sea
EU countries have provsionally agreed to launch a Red Sea naval mission alongside the US after Spain showed it wouldn't stand in the way.euobserver.com
EU to launch Red Sea naval mission to protect ships from rebel attacks
The Houthis have waged a persistent campaign of drone and missile attacks on commercial ships since the start of the Israel-Hamas war in October.E.U. to launch Red Sea naval mission to protect ships from rebel attacks
The European Union plans to launch a naval mission in the Red Sea within three weeks to help defend cargo ships against attacks by Houthi rebels in Yemen...
I hope they have a lot of SAMs available.
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USN looking for an immediate bolt-on solution for Group 3 to 5 UAS - 1 to 6 month delivery. 6 to 12 month delivery will be considered.
Here is the companion article addressed as the "deep dive"
www.twz.com
Here is the companion article addressed as the "deep dive"
Does The Navy's New Constellation Class Frigate Have Enough Vertical Launch Cells?
Recent events in the Red Sea again raise questions about whether 32 vertical launch cells is adequate for the Constellation class frigates.
www.twz.com
The drones I imagine could be taken out by RIM-116 or an equivalent system, with a CIWS probably being fine for any drones caught close enough.
But for intercepting missiles or exceptionally fast ordnance (faster than a drone anyway) I do hope they have a fair number of SAM'S available
Let's see what the EU can do with this mission. It'll be interesting to see if their stockpiles of ordnance is up to the task...
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I’m thinking that new ships will have more guns (35mm ish) for C/UAS, and USV’s
While missiles are great to hit other big missiles, the rather slower OWUAS type setups and the OWUSV’s are better engaged (economically) by guns or ideally energy weapons.
I lol about the EU and stockpiles
Can't beat energy weapons in terms of cost and speed, but I doubt any EU navies have DEW's as part of their weapons load out yet.
(Even the USN only has a DEW installed on a handful of ships, and those are only in the 350kw range...unless I'm behind the times, which I very well might be?)
Seems awfully wasteful to be shooting super cheap drones with missiles that cost $250,000 a pop at minimum ...
I lol about the EU and stockpiles of wartime kit also
thats why I ask "lets see if they are up for the task...?" Rather than confidently stating "let the EU handle this, they got it covered..."Let's hope their stockpiles of ordinance now lasts longer than they did when Libya was happening...
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The economic trade-off is not between the drone and the missile, it's between the missile and the damage the drone can do to the ship. CO's will gladly trade off s $250K missile for a drone that can do $1M damage to the ship and/or kill some of the crew.
Primary defense against these drone ought to be in the EW department. BTW, with the powerful Air Search radars we carry, you ought to be able to fry the electronics on a lot of those drones.
Primary defense against these drone ought to be in the EW department. BTW, with the powerful Air Search radars we carry, you ought to be able to fry the electronics on a lot of those drones.
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Can't beat energy weapons in terms of cost and speed, but I doubt any EU navies have DEW's as part of their weapons load out yet.
(Even the USN only has a DEW installed on a handful of ships, and those are only in the 350kw range...unless I'm behind the times, which I very well might be?)
Seems awfully wasteful to be shooting super cheap drones with missiles that cost $250,000 a pop at minimum ...
I lol about the EU and stockpiles of wartime kit also
Let's hope their stockpiles of ordinance now lasts longer than they did when Libya was happening...
The production lines for lasers aren't open yet.
On the other hand there are a lot of autocannons in the 30 to 76mm range with production lines for their ammunition open.
Strapping a couple of these on board might make some friends -
35MM Oerlikon Skyguard SWE - The Royal Canadian Artillery Museum
First developed in the late 1950s, the Oerlikon 35mm is one of the most widely used modern anti-aircraft guns. Used by the Canadian Army 1989 to 2005, the guns provided low-level air defence for two Canadian NATO airfields in Germany. Normally controlled in pairs by a Skyguard radar, the GDF-005...
en.rcamuseum.com
Rumours abound that Canada still has some of those in storage (makes me wonder why 4GS has got their hands on them yet, if so).
Or these?
Big guns find new life
Currently, some of the 40mm guns are in the process of being transferred to museums and public parks; one gun weapon system has landed on a golf course.
www.lookoutnewspaper.com
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