Hmmm, it appears I'm not alone re: small carriers....

[Ex-Dragoon]

And landing is much harder then taking off.....you want to risk your E2C that way?

 

[Cloud Cover]

Heck no ... I still prefer the C17 carrying Imperial Star Destroyer.   The reality is we better get our frigate fleet and AAD in order before we put anything else in the water beyond the JSS.

 

[DJL]

Do you want "Monster Size" AOR's?   They seem to be high profile targets for cheap weapons systems that the bad guys are really getting their mitts on (Anti-Shipping Missiles, Cheap Diesel-Electric Subs).   On well placed Silkworm and the whole concept goes down the tube.

All that can't be said about the JSS or our current AORs? As for the silk worm hit, the only difference between our AORs and an American AOE would the size of the initial fireball and for how long it would burn.....

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Heck no ... I still prefer the C17 carrying Imperial Star Destroyer.   The reality is we better get our frigate fleet and AAD in order before we put anything else in the water beyond the JSS.

Great minds think alike lol

 

[Kirkhill]

Now since you and others floated some ideas (Which I took shots at), it would be proper if I too floated my "ideas". If the JSS project's funds are what we are "playing with", I'd jump onto the American AOE-X program with the aim of purchasing three vessels, then with my remaining funds, purchase or lease (depending on what i have left over) "USNS like" 55K + ton Ro/Ros.

OK DJL,  the naval types have convinced me.  The only way we are going to get troops, (which we have), guns (which we have), LAVs (which we have) and ammunition (which we could conceivably buy) to someplace where they might be useful is to get the PMs son's to lease us 3 or 4 RoRos.  Would it be asking the Navy too much to offer a couple of frigates as escort?

Cheers,

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Wouldn't be too much to ask for a couple of frigates but you might want an Area defence destroyer in that mix as well.

 

[canuck101]

Has there been any designs come out yet showing what the JSS ships are going to look like.

 

[DJL]

OK DJL,  the naval types have convinced me.  The only way we are going to get troops, (which we have), guns (which we have), LAVs (which we have) and ammunition (which we could conceivably buy) to someplace where they might be useful is to get the PMs son's to lease us 3 or 4 RoRos.  Would it be asking the Navy too much to offer a couple of frigates as escort?

CSL operates mostly bulk carriers..........If I was going to lease from a Canadian flag company, I'd look at the WMG, namely SEASPAN.

 

[canuck101]

Would the The Sachsen Class (F124) is Germany's Air Defence Frigate be a good choice to replace the 280's

 

[Kirkhill]

OK.  If you get your Area Air Defence Destroyer, can I get my LSD(A)s?

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Would the The Sachsen Class (F124) is Germany's Air Defence Frigate be a good choice to replace the 280's

They are nice ships but a little too small to be command ships and embark flag staff as well.

 

[canuck101]

Here is the link to see the The Sachsen Class (F124) Germany's Air Defence Frigate

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/f124/index.html

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

OK.   If you get your Area Air Defence Destroyer, can I get my LSD(A)s?

Well your LSD(A)s does not addreess fleet replenishment like the JSS will.

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Here is the link to see the The Sachsen Class (F124) Germany's Air Defence Frigate

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/f124/index.html

Thanks but I got my pocket Janes handy

 

[canuck101]

Is the government planning to keep two different types of ships after the 280 retire.  I think they are planning to replace the frigates in 2020 and the 280 are staying in service till around 2012. I read an article saying they want to replace both with one ship type numbering 16 to 18 ships

 

[canuck101]

would the The UK Royal Navy's Type 45 destroyers be a good choice or a smaller version of the  Arleigh Burke Class Aegis destroyer which i think would be out of our pay scale.

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Once the 280s go which has been apparently been extended to the 2012-14 time frame the next generation of ship (The Common Surface Combatant) will look at area defence ships as the first batch then replace the frigates.

Personally canuck I am leery about anything British right now.

 

[canuck101]

So true they are having a hard time building there own ships if we had to go off shore i would go German or Dutch they seem able to build ships that work.  the combined surface ship seem good but we will be without air defence ships for around 8 to 10 years.

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

So true they are having a hard time building there own ships if we had to go off shore i would go German or Dutch they seem able to build ships that work.   the combined surface ship seem good but we will be without air defence ships for around 8 to 10 years.

Yup....does not give me or anyone else in the navy a warm fuzzy feeling either. Hopefully the program will be accelerated but I have my doubts.

 

[canuck101]

Need to start updating the frigates first then go from there. Have to watch them the last time the trumped the 280 only three ships came out working.