Headdress during public transit

[Occam]

The beret that's been retired from day to day use stays in my cubicle.  A good one goes on the noggin to go to/from work.

I know we have dress regs for a reason, and I follow them to the letter.  I won't get into what irks me about dress policy as that's way outside the topic of this thread.

For what it's worth, my lofty height is the second floor. 

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The beret that's been retired from day to day use stays in my cubicle.  A good one goes on the noggin to go to/from work.

I know we have dress regs for a reason, and I follow them to the letter.  I won't get into what irks me about dress policy as that's way outside the topic of this thread.

For what it's worth, my lofty height is the second floor. 

Then we agree that soldiers\ airmen \ seamen dress the way the regs say and work from within to implement change when required, right?

 

[CombatDoc]

It could have been much worse than the toque vs beret debate, such as wearing a CADPAT uniform with a blue wedge (as used to be done until the dress regs were changed). :rofl:

 

[Armymedic]

First, the mbr who is asking the question, his CoC has disregarded the CFP 265 by allowing the member to travel in CADPAT. Second, they failed to explain that tuque should only be worn in winter outfit, which specifically means when the mbr has the coat on, the tuque may be worn in lieu of beret or other head dress.

Tuque. An environmental tuque may be
worn as an alternative winter headdress
with service dress (No. 3 orders), with
topcoats and parkas during winter dress
periods.

This is a failure of the CoC to both comply with CFP 265 and to properly instruct the mbr. Good on the above member to ask questions, although it should have been asked at the time of the instruction.

Finally, unless someone can specifically show otherwise, I have not seen nor can not find the specific direction in CFP 265 which requires all CF mbrs to wear head dress indoors. Stating this (until I am otherwise corrected), the young mbr above does not need a second head dress for his tpt as long as he is wearing his tuque with his coat anytime he is out of doors.

 

[Michael OLeary]

Finally, unless someone can specifically show otherwise, I have not seen nor can not find the specific direction in CFP 265 which requires all CF mbrs to wear head dress indoors. Stating this (until I am otherwise corrected), the young mbr above does not need a second head dress for his tpt as long as he is wearing his tuque with his coat anytime he is out of doors.

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Non-Service Buildings. Headdress shall not normally be removed in any public place, including elevators. However, personnel may observe the custom practised by civilians in regard to the wearing of headdress in non-service buildings such as restaurants, theatres and civil courts. When on duty under arms as an escort in a civil court, headdress shall not be removed.

And for clarity, from page 1-11:

“shall” shall be contrued as being imperative

 

[chrisf]

Sorry...I meant consensus of the old schoolers. 

Unrelated to the beret/toque issue, but funny thing about old schoolers. In my military experience, and in my civi work experience, old schoolers love to tell us how much better things were "back in the day". Then they die of cancer.

 

[aesop081]

Unrelated to the beret/toque issue, but funny thing about old schoolers. In my military experience, and in my civi work experience, old schoolers love to tell us how much better things were "back in the day". Then they die of cancer.

And the funny thing about "new school" types is that they inevitably turn into "old school" types who tell the younger folks how better it was back in the day. Then, they die of cancer too.

 

[chrisf]

And god-willing, the replacement "new school" types will again learn from the mistakes of the predecessors.

 

[ModlrMike]

To quote someone smarter than me whose name I've forgotten:

"I never realized how smart my father was until I was his age."

 

[infantryian]

To quote mark Twain, "When I was 19 I couldn't believe how little my father knew. When I was 22 I couldn't believe how much he had learned in three years."

 

[desert_rat]

hehe the other saying I remember from a few years ago - loosely paraphrased: "teenagers, why not move out of your parents house now while you still know everything"

 

[Armymedic]

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Thanks Mike, I am thus informed.

Page 2-3-3: Which, interestingly, Section 3 is the "Religious and Spiritual Accommodation" section. Any wonder why it is not easy to find?

 

[chrisf]

I think most of you completely missed my point.

There's a reason we don't do a lot of things "the old school" way. Working in an industrial  setting, I regularly hear the words "Well I've never worn [insert any sort of ppe here] and I'm not going to start now" from plenty of "old school" types.

Talking of how they used to wash their coveralls in gasoline or varsol and why they don't understand why we can't do it now, how hearing protection is for wimps, and that safety glasses keep them from seeing what they're doing so they just don't wear them.

These are the people I'm referring to. They go deaf, blind, then die of cancer.

(And to relate this to the beret/toque conversation, some time ago, our SSM made orders to the effect of toques were not to be worn... or at least that's how the orders of the SSM were interpreted by a particular WO.... contrary to published winter dress instructions. Having had frostbite in my ears several times previously, and not being intersted in having it again, my response was to the effect of "well charge me".)

 

[Sigger]

IMO if it is anywhere up to and including -20 and you are walking around with a toque instead of your beret(other than in the field), you look like a goof.

 

[PuckChaser]

I'd rather look like a "goof" to you, and be warm when I'm outside in -15C weather then pretend to be hard and be outside without a jacket wearing a beret because it makes me look hardcore.

 

[armyvern]

IMO if it is anywhere up to and including -20 and you are walking around with a toque instead of your beret(other than in the field), you look like a goof.

That`s nice. And, I`ll point out, is simply your personal opinion.

My order to my troops here?? "It's cold. Wear your damn toques, that's why the CF issues them to you."

Winter Dress: Toques are 100% ACCEPTABLE for wear as per the Dress Instructions --- whether any of us like it or not.

 

[57Chevy]

hehe the other saying I remember from a few years ago - loosely paraphrased: "teenagers, why not move out of your parents house now while you still know everything"

It actually goes: "Hire a student while they still know everything"

 

[JMesh]

 

[Sigger]

That`s nice. And, I`ll point out, is simply your personal opinion.

By adding IMO, I already pointed out it was in my opinion.

They are absolutely acceptable. I just think they look goofy.

Sigger OUT 

 

[armyvern]

Well, I guess it`s better than looking like an I D 10T wearing a beret around and getting frostbite (and possibly charged by me for self-inflicted ...).



Point of note: I have yet to wear my toque here in Edmonton.