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[Quirky]

US urges Israel to stop shooting at UN peacekeepers in Lebanon

Israel has acknowledged that shots fired by its military injured two UN troops in southern Lebanon on Friday.

www.bbc.com

Israel firing on UN troops.

Peacekeepers aren’t doing a very good job keeping the peace.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Sadly the UN helped create this conflict by not forcefully dealing with Hezbollah.

 

[OldSolduer]

Peacekeepers aren’t doing a very good job keeping the peace.

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Ever been on a peacekeeping mission? If you have fine - if not then perhaps you should walk this back.

 

[Furniture]

Ever been on a peacekeeping mission? If you have fine - if not then perhaps you should walk this back.

I don't think he was criticizing the troops themselves, more the mission. There have been constant Hezbollah attacks on Israel despite the presence of Peacekeepers, which kind of indicates the mission is a failure.

 

[OldSolduer]

I don't think he was criticizing the troops themselves, more the mission. There have been constant Hezbollah attacks on Israel despite the presence of Peacekeepers, which kind of indicates the mission is a failure.

Perhaps but it reads to me that he’s critical of the personnel.
UN missions aren’t always the fun they are cracked up to be.

 

[brihard]

Perhaps but it reads to me that he’s critical of the personnel.
UN missions aren’t always the fun they are cracked up to be.

I’d rather do Afghanistan again than have to work a mission under UN ROE that stop me from preventing atrocity.

 

[OldSolduer]

I’d rather do Afghanistan again than have to work a mission under UN ROE that stop me from preventing atrocity.

Under UN ROE for the most part you better have a sucking chest wound before loading your weapon!!!

This is a joke of course...

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Ever been on a peacekeeping mission? If you have fine - if not then perhaps you should walk this back.

There are good reasons why the Canadian military is not keen on another big UN mission. I think Sinai was likley the most successful in the long run.

 

[OldSolduer]

There are good reasons why the Canadian military is not keen on another big UN mission. I think Sinai was likley the most successful in the long run.

Cyprus was not bad but there you had a cease fire agreement and for the most part both sides observed it.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Perhaps but it reads to me that he’s critical of the personnel.
UN missions aren’t always the fun they are cracked up to be.

No they aren't...

Canadian Forces Major Paeta Hess-Von Krudener – stationed as a United Nations peacekeeper in Lebanon – was killed on July 25, 2006 when the Israeli Air Force dropped a bomb on his UN post. Since the time of the incident, the Israeli government has claimed its attack on the UN post was an accident. Canada issued the results of its inquiry into the incident on Feb. 1, 2008. Unfortunately, this claim of the Israelis rings hollow in light of the specifics of the incident.

What did the Canadian inquiry into the incident reveal?

The Canadian Board of Inquiry (BOI) concluded that the incident which killed Hess-Von Krudener was “tragic and preventable,” and that “the IDF [i.e. Israeli Army] is responsible for the death of Major Hess-Von Krudener.” ^[1] This conclusion was based on an analysis by the BOI of UN and IDF protocols in place at the time of the incident. (It is important to note that Israel refused to honour the Canadian BOI’s requests for access to IDF personnel and information related to the incident. <a title="">^[2]</a>)

Canadian Peacekeeper Murdered in Lebanon

Canadian Forces Major Paeta Hess-Von Krudener – stationed as a United Nations peacekeeper in Lebanon – was killed on July 25, 2006 when the Israeli Air Force dropped a bomb on his UN post. Since the time of the incident, the Israeli government has claimed its attack on the UN post was an...

www.cjpme.org

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Israel is accusing Hezbollah of keeping UNFIL in their bases as a human shield and asking UNFIL to pull back.

 

[OldSolduer]

No they aren't...

Canadian Forces Major Paeta Hess-Von Krudener – stationed as a United Nations peacekeeper in Lebanon – was killed on July 25, 2006 when the Israeli Air Force dropped a bomb on his UN post. Since the time of the incident, the Israeli government has claimed its attack on the UN post was an accident. Canada issued the results of its inquiry into the incident on Feb. 1, 2008. Unfortunately, this claim of the Israelis rings hollow in light of the specifics of the incident.

What did the Canadian inquiry into the incident reveal?

The Canadian Board of Inquiry (BOI) concluded that the incident which killed Hess-Von Krudener was “tragic and preventable,” and that “the IDF [i.e. Israeli Army] is responsible for the death of Major Hess-Von Krudener.” ^[1] This conclusion was based on an analysis by the BOI of UN and IDF protocols in place at the time of the incident. (It is important to note that Israel refused to honour the Canadian BOI’s requests for access to IDF personnel and information related to the incident. <a title="">^[2]</a>)

Canadian Peacekeeper Murdered in Lebanon

Canadian Forces Major Paeta Hess-Von Krudener – stationed as a United Nations peacekeeper in Lebanon – was killed on July 25, 2006 when the Israeli Air Force dropped a bomb on his UN post. Since the time of the incident, the Israeli government has claimed its attack on the UN post was an...

www.cjpme.org

I knew him. Not well but he was a mission oriented officer,

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I suspect UNFIL knew but were told to do nothing

 

[OldSolduer]

I suspect UNFIL knew but were told to do nothing

The UN is a corrupt cesspool of ....whatever those people are. An organization committed to disunity.

 

[brihard]

Vancouver anti-Israeli protester burns flag, shouts 'death to Canada'​

Police investigate after Vancouver anti-Israeli protester burns flag, shouts 'death to Canada'

Vancouver police say they are 'conducting an investigation into the actions of protesters to determine if criminal offences occurred'

nationalpost.com

Perfectly acceptable in Trudeaus Canada, it’s not like they set up bouncy castles and blasted train horns.

Burning a flag is not a crime and in most cases will likely be a protected expression, however repugnant.

Vancouver Police are investigating the rest of it. Police in BC don’t have authority to lay charges; they have to send a package to crown for charge approval that takes time. The subject of arrests in the middle of a volatile situation has been discussed here before and there’s no need to rehash it.

I personally would not be surprised if VPD get hate crimes charges approved in the coming days. The self-identification with Hamas and Hezbollah would take some careful consideration to see if terrorism charges fit; that wouldn’t be VPD figuring that out though, terrorism charges nearly always require Attorney General consent, and that takes some solid groundwork to make sure the elements are met.

I think that when all is said and done, we’ll see the consequences of this unfold very much as a few of us have discussed in the last few days. It simply isn’t something that plays out super quickly.

Following up on this discussion from a few days ago: Samidoun (the group behind the ‘death to Canada’ chanting rally) was listed as a terrorist entity this morning in Canada and the U.S. No surprise that this happened, but it is good to see.

Samidoun, group behind ‘death to Canada’ chant, listed as terrorist entity | Globalnews.ca

Listing Samidoun, also known as the Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network, as a terrorist entity was done alongside the U.S. Treasury Department making a similar move.

globalnews.ca

 

[Quirky]

Following up on this discussion from a few days ago: Samidoun (the group behind the ‘death to Canada’ chanting rally) was listed as a terrorist entity this morning in Canada and the U.S. No surprise that this happened, but it is good to see.

 

[OldSolduer]

I read a passage in "Marching as to War" by Pierre Berton. I've read a few of his books and this simple passage says it all:

Its something like this : Canada goes into all wars underequipped, under manned and poorly trained.

Why should the present day be any exception?

 

[The Bread Guy]

Following up on this discussion from a few days ago: Samidoun (the group behind the ‘death to Canada’ chanting rally) was listed as a terrorist entity this morning in Canada and the U.S. No surprise that this happened, but it is good to see.

Samidoun, group behind ‘death to Canada’ chant, listed as terrorist entity | Globalnews.ca

Listing Samidoun, also known as the Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network, as a terrorist entity was done alongside the U.S. Treasury Department making a similar move.

globalnews.ca

From the horse's mouth, so to speak ....

Government of Canada lists Samidoun as a terrorist entity - Canada.ca

Today, the Honourable Dominic LeBlanc, Minister of Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs, announced that the Government of Canada has listed Samidoun, also known as the Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network, as a terrorist entity under the Criminal Code.

www.canada.ca

... as well as the U.S. Treasury info-machine's version
"United States and Canada Target Key International Fundraiser for Foreign Terrorist Organization PFLP"

 

[GK .Dundas]

Hi

Why not both?

From the horse's mouth, so to speak ....

Government of Canada lists Samidoun as a terrorist entity - Canada.ca

Today, the Honourable Dominic LeBlanc, Minister of Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs, announced that the Government of Canada has listed Samidoun, also known as the Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network, as a terrorist entity under the Criminal Code.

www.canada.ca

... as well as the U.S. Treasury info-machine's version
"United States and Canada Target Key International Fundraiser for Foreign Terrorist Organization PFLP"

Two things will happen either in the next few days or weeks. We will see raids and arrests and press coverage or......the Government will roll over and go back to sleep satisfied that they've taken appropriate action.
I would be surprised if the former happens.
The problem is and it something Canadian governments are notorious for in my opinion.
And that's forgetting that they're not the only player in the game. And in these things the " the other guy " can do things too.
Moral outrage is a wonderful thing but it's no substitute for for actually doing something .

 

[Colin Parkinson]

If you were in a political entity and it was suddenly deemed a terrorist organization, do you get a chance to distance yourself, or are you completely effed?