Hamas invaded Israel 2023

[OldSolduer]

Of course Hamas wants to participate in the ICC. The same reason Iran and Saudi Arabia want to sit on UN committees that deal with women’s rights or why China wants a seat on human rights committees.

So why don't we invite AQ and the Taliban at some point? Then we can wail and cry and ask for forgiveness while they cut our heads off....

Cause that is what you do to infidels....

 

[lenaitch]

C'mon lenaitch, now I gotta google it for you too? I didn't know you were in the Air Force.. Just kidding.

Here:
1-Eli Grossman:
“Activism and being pro peace has never been separate from my Jewish identity,” said Eli Grossman, one of the students who was arrested.

Link:

Brown University faculty push for charges against student protesters to be dropped - TPR: The Public's Radio

Twenty Jewish students at Brown University face up to a year in jail following their arrest in a protest last Wednesday against their administration’s stance on Israel. Now, their professors want the university to ask for charges against the students to be dismissed.

thepublicsradio.org

2- Ariela Rosenzweig:
Ariela Rosenzweig: I grew up in Brookline, a suburb of Boston. And I grew up in a very traditional, establishment, Zionist American Jewish family. I went to Jewish day school. My parents are big supporters of AIPAC.

Link:

'An impact on the world': Brown University hunger strikers, one Jewish and one Palestinian, on their war protest

Nineteen Brown University students are on hunger strike in protest of the university's policies around Israel.

forward.com

Guys, I really recommend listening to or reading the works of many Israeli and/or Jewish anti-zionist intellectuals. Palestinians are not resisting Israeli occupation because it's Jewish (as much as Israel would like to frame it to be) ... But because it's an occupation, period (whether it was atheist, Christian, hindu or even Muslim occupation).

Here's a brief list of prominent Jewish scholars who are anti-zionist (and not just a kid with daddy issues like Mosab Hassan Yousef ):

• Ilan Pappé - Jewish Israeli Historian
• Daniel levy - British–Israeli analyst and former Israeli negotiator in the Peace process in the 90's
• Avi Shlaim - Israeli and British historian
• Gideon Levy - Israeli journalist and author.
• Norman Finkelstein - Jewish American political scientist and son of Holocaust-survivors
• Noam Chomsky... Who doesn't know Noam Chomsky
• Gabor Mate - Jewish Canadian-Hungarian physician, author and son of Holocaust survivors and victims.
• Miko Peled - American Israeli activist, son of an IDF general and grandson of a signatory on the Israel's Declaration of Independence.

And there's longer list of Palestinian scholars (Edward Said and Rashid Khalidi to name a few) but I didn't want to appear like I was biased.

Ya, apologies for not running background checks on the folks you referenced. My bad.

The fact that there might be some noteworthies and intellectuals who take a different view of the Israeli government should come as no surprise to anyone. The Jewish people, like any other society or culture, are not a monolithic bloc. I understand there are people in France or, gasp, here, that think differently than their governments. Go figure.

If Zionism is defined as a form of nationalism, then I guess I support Zionism; the right for the Jewish State to exist. As was pointed out by someone a few posts back, the Palestinians rejected a two-state option in the late 1940s. They seem to be so loved by their Arab brethren that nobody wants to take them in.

There might not be lily white hands on either side, but one side didn't kill a couple thousand civilians on day one then toddle back to their caves with a bunch of civilian hostages (many still not located). If Israeli leaders and commanders are alleged to have committed war crimes, make a case. I will guarantee you they will be a whole lot easier to identify than their Hamas counterparts who started this whole mess.

Hamas or Palestine in favour of the ICC is right up there with Saudi Arabia or China claiming their support for human rights.

(BTW: Not RCAF, or any branch of the CAF. Just an old guy with a keyboard and time).

 

[ueo]

And as the op ed said that these all these so called "intellectuals" (pseudo intellectuals) will all be put to death once the revolutionaries take over.....

Pol Pot did this, so did Lenin, so did Hitler.....Anyone that supports a murderous gang is signing their own death warrant,

Don't think that was said or inferred! Just wondering if the protesters have considered the CONSEQUENCES of their demands.

 

[OldSolduer]

Don't think that was said or inferred! Just wondering if the protesters have considered the CONSEQUENCES of their demands.

Well when you put up a sign "Queers for Palestine" .... I don't think radical Islam sees the LGBTQ2S + communities the same way we do and definitely aren't as accepting.

 

[Quirky]

Well when you put up a sign "Queers for Palestine" .... I don't think radical Islam sees the LGBTQ2S + communities the same way we do and definitely aren't as accepting.

Shhh.....let them find out on their own.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Guys, I really recommend

Here's another recommendation on the same level.
Hamas is not a terrorist organization, Islamic Jihand is not a terrorist organization.

 

[brihard]

C'mon lenaitch, now I gotta google it for you too? I didn't know you were in the Air Force.. Just kidding.

Here:
1-Eli Grossman:
“Activism and being pro peace has never been separate from my Jewish identity,” said Eli Grossman, one of the students who was arrested.

Link:

Brown University faculty push for charges against student protesters to be dropped - TPR: The Public's Radio

Twenty Jewish students at Brown University face up to a year in jail following their arrest in a protest last Wednesday against their administration’s stance on Israel. Now, their professors want the university to ask for charges against the students to be dismissed.

thepublicsradio.org

2- Ariela Rosenzweig:
Ariela Rosenzweig: I grew up in Brookline, a suburb of Boston. And I grew up in a very traditional, establishment, Zionist American Jewish family. I went to Jewish day school. My parents are big supporters of AIPAC.

Link:

'An impact on the world': Brown University hunger strikers, one Jewish and one Palestinian, on their war protest

Nineteen Brown University students are on hunger strike in protest of the university's policies around Israel.

forward.com

Guys, I really recommend listening to or reading the works of many Israeli and/or Jewish anti-zionist intellectuals. Palestinians are not resisting Israeli occupation because it's Jewish (as much as Israel would like to frame it to be) ... But because it's an occupation, period (whether it was atheist, Christian, hindu or even Muslim occupation).

Here's a brief list of prominent Jewish scholars who are anti-zionist (and not just a kid with daddy issues like Mosab Hassan Yousef ):

• Ilan Pappé - Jewish Israeli Historian
• Daniel levy - British–Israeli analyst and former Israeli negotiator in the Peace process in the 90's
• Avi Shlaim - Israeli and British historian
• Gideon Levy - Israeli journalist and author.
• Norman Finkelstein - Jewish American political scientist and son of Holocaust-survivors
• Noam Chomsky... Who doesn't know Noam Chomsky
• Gabor Mate - Jewish Canadian-Hungarian physician, author and son of Holocaust survivors and victims.
• Miko Peled - American Israeli activist, son of an IDF general and grandson of a signatory on the Israel's Declaration of Independence.

And there's longer list of Palestinian scholars (Edward Said and Rashid Khalidi to name a few) but I didn't want to appear like I was biased.

I really recommend you quit dodging questions posed to you. You still steadfastly refuse to give your opinion on the subject of the thread: Hamas’s attacks and massacres of October 7th. You’ve chosen instead to be complicit in defending and propagandizing that.

 

[Remius]

I really recommend you quit dodging questions posed to you. You still steadfastly refuse to give your opinion on the subject of the thread: Hamas’s attacks and massacres of October 7th. You’ve chosen instead to be complicit in defending and propagandizing that.

It’s really revealing. He won’t condemn it because he likely supports what happened that day. He just won’t come out and say it.

 

[rnkelly]

It’s really revealing. He won’t condemn it because he likely supports what happened that day. He just won’t come out and say it.

I think it’s way worse than that. There’s a way to explain Oct 7th without condoning it and sounding somewhat reasonable. He can’t even bring himself to pretend to do that, it’s reprehensible.

 

[Kirkhill]

Rallying round the flags.... Youngsters.

https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/national/students-reraise-american-flag-on-unc-campus/video/04e2b34b3015544199284f492019d04d

 

[Jarnhamar]

It’s really revealing. He won’t condemn it because he likely supports what happened that day. He just won’t come out and say it.

Most of these Hamas sympathizers have (or had) the presence of mind not to outright praise Hamas after the events of October 7th. It doesn't usually take long for their extremist views to leak through.

 

[TacticalTea]

Ya, apologies for not running background checks on the folks you referenced. My bad.

The fact that there might be some noteworthies and intellectuals who take a different view of the Israeli government should come as no surprise to anyone. The Jewish people, like any other society or culture, are not a monolithic bloc. I understand there are people in France or, gasp, here, that think differently than their governments. Go figure.

If Zionism is defined as a form of nationalism, then I guess I support Zionism; the right for the Jewish State to exist. As was pointed out by someone a few posts back, the Palestinians rejected a two-state option in the late 1940s. They seem to be so loved by their Arab brethren that nobody wants to take them in.

There might not be lily white hands on either side, but one side didn't kill a couple thousand civilians on day one then toddle back to their caves with a bunch of civilian hostages (many still not located). If Israeli leaders and commanders are alleged to have committed war crimes, make a case. I will guarantee you they will be a whole lot easier to identify than their Hamas counterparts who started this whole mess.

Hamas or Palestine in favour of the ICC is right up there with Saudi Arabia or China claiming their support for human rights.

(BTW: Not RCAF, or any branch of the CAF. Just an old guy with a keyboard and time).

"Anti-zionist" can only be anti-semitic, because it can have no other meaning than desire for the destruction of Israel.

It's a thin smokescreen, nothing more.

 

[Kirkhill]

Ya, apologies for not running background checks on the folks you referenced. My bad.

The fact that there might be some noteworthies and intellectuals who take a different view of the Israeli government should come as no surprise to anyone. The Jewish people, like any other society or culture, are not a monolithic bloc. I understand there are people in France or, gasp, here, that think differently than their governments. Go figure.

If Zionism is defined as a form of nationalism, then I guess I support Zionism; the right for the Jewish State to exist. As was pointed out by someone a few posts back, the Palestinians rejected a two-state option in the late 1940s. They seem to be so loved by their Arab brethren that nobody wants to take them in.

There might not be lily white hands on either side, but one side didn't kill a couple thousand civilians on day one then toddle back to their caves with a bunch of civilian hostages (many still not located). If Israeli leaders and commanders are alleged to have committed war crimes, make a case. I will guarantee you they will be a whole lot easier to identify than their Hamas counterparts who started this whole mess.

Hamas or Palestine in favour of the ICC is right up there with Saudi Arabia or China claiming their support for human rights.

(BTW: Not RCAF, or any branch of the CAF. Just an old guy with a keyboard and time).

They weren't welcome when they showed up in Egypt 3200 years ago.

Peleset - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Peleset (Egyptian: pwrꜣsꜣtj) or Pulasati are a people appearing in fragmentary historical and iconographic records in ancient Egyptian from the Eastern Mediterranean in the late 2nd millennium BCE. They are hypothesised to have been one of the several ethnic groups of which the Sea Peoples were said to be composed. They may be the Philistines as the book of Exodus chapter 15 verse 14 calls them "palaset" in hebrew which translates to "Philistine" in English and is translated as "Palestine" in the original King James bible.

Sea Peoples - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[The Bread Guy]

"Anti-zionist" can only be anti-semitic, because it can have no other meaning than desire for the destruction of Israel.

As others smarter than me have said ...

... The fact that there might be some noteworthies and intellectuals who take a different view of the Israeli government should come as no surprise to anyone. The Jewish people, like any other society or culture, are not a monolithic bloc ...

After all, there's a few Jews out there who don't think Israel should exist .....

Anti-Zionism Among Jews

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Ultra-Orthodox & Anti-Zionist | My Jewish Learning

Neturei Karta. Questioning Zionism. Israel in Modern Jewish Thought. Judaism and the Land of Israel. Jewish Ideas and Beliefs.

www.myjewishlearning.com

The tougher one to parse is supporting the Jewish people while sometimes being underwhelmed by some of the actions of the Israeli government.
I think one can figure some of what Netanyahu & Co. do could be done better while, at the same time, feel the country's been historically f**ked over by the neighbours.

Meanwhile, hard-hard-leftists say they need "outside agitators" ....

We Need “Outside Agitators”

Pro-Palestine student protesters are being smeared as puppets of shadowy “outside agitators.” The presence of community members and experienced activists in the protests is nothing to be ashamed of: we need outside agitators to build a better world.

jacobin.com

Archived link here - from the piece ....

 

[ueo]

Well when you put up a sign "Queers for Palestine" .... I don't think radical Islam sees the LGBTQ2S + communities the same way we do and definitely aren't as accepting.

Again whats this to do with the funding issue? You appear to want to stir things well beyond what I consider a base issue.

 

[Remius]

Was downtown yesterday. Small protest at city hall, seemed smaller than usual. Was a nice day to do other things I guess. Also drove past Ottawa U and saw the encampment. Pretty quiet and by all accounts pretty subdued. A bit different than what is happening in other cities,

 

[Brad Sallows]

Meanwhile, hard-hard-leftists say they need "outside agitators" ....

"Movement elders."

"OK, Boomers."

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Ya, apologies for not running background checks on the folks you referenced. My bad.

The fact that there might be some noteworthies and intellectuals who take a different view of the Israeli government should come as no surprise to anyone. The Jewish people, like any other society or culture, are not a monolithic bloc. I understand there are people in France or, gasp, here, that think differently than their governments. Go figure.

If Zionism is defined as a form of nationalism, then I guess I support Zionism; the right for the Jewish State to exist. As was pointed out by someone a few posts back, the Palestinians rejected a two-state option in the late 1940s. They seem to be so loved by their Arab brethren that nobody wants to take them in.

There might not be lily white hands on either side, but one side didn't kill a couple thousand civilians on day one then toddle back to their caves with a bunch of civilian hostages (many still not located). If Israeli leaders and commanders are alleged to have committed war crimes, make a case. I will guarantee you they will be a whole lot easier to identify than their Hamas counterparts who started this whole mess.

Hamas or Palestine in favour of the ICC is right up there with Saudi Arabia or China claiming their support for human rights.

(BTW: Not RCAF, or any branch of the CAF. Just an old guy with a keyboard and time).

Oddly enough the Palestinians have a State and it is efficiently run by descendants of the Prophet, but that not good enough apparently.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

As others smarter than me have said ...

After all, there's a few Jews out there who don't think Israel should exist .....

Anti-Zionism Among Jews

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Ultra-Orthodox & Anti-Zionist | My Jewish Learning

Neturei Karta. Questioning Zionism. Israel in Modern Jewish Thought. Judaism and the Land of Israel. Jewish Ideas and Beliefs.

www.myjewishlearning.com

The tougher one to parse is supporting the Jewish people while sometimes being underwhelmed by some of the actions of the Israeli government.
I think one can figure some of what Netanyahu & Co. do could be done better while, at the same time, feel the country's been historically f**ked over by the neighbours.

Meanwhile, hard-hard-leftists say they need "outside agitators" ....

We Need “Outside Agitators”

Pro-Palestine student protesters are being smeared as puppets of shadowy “outside agitators.” The presence of community members and experienced activists in the protests is nothing to be ashamed of: we need outside agitators to build a better world.

jacobin.com

Archived link here - from the piece ....
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Israeli internal politics is messy. The need to form coalitions to get votes means the orthodox faction has far more say in the political process than they have actual support. They say 3 Israelis = 5 opinions.

 

[Colin Parkinson]