Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Val St]

Not sure if that pic is appropriate.

Most likely such stupid politicians less appropriate for Canada. 2015 ones already canceled F-35 purchase. It took 10 years to figure out own bad move and get back in line for new jets.
This guy have no even slightest idea about complexity of acquiring such high tech equipment, leave alone establishing own national manufacturing. And he is hopping to be top leader of Canada.

 

[OldSolduer]

Not sure if that pic is appropriate.

Camels are more an Arab thing

 

[OldSolduer]

Most likely such stupid politicians less appropriate for Canada. 2015 ones already canceled F-35 purchase. It took 10 years to figure out own bad move and get back in line for new jets.
This guy have no even slightest idea about complexity of acquiring such high tech equipment, leave alone establishing own national manufacturing. And he is hopping to be top leader of Canada.

You have a language problem

 

[dapaterson]

Most likely such stupid politicians less appropriate for Canada. 2015 ones already canceled F-35 purchase. It took 10 years to figure out own bad move and get back in line for new jets.
This guy have no even slightest idea about complexity of acquiring such high tech equipment, leave alone establishing own national manufacturing. And he is hopping to be top leader of Canada.

There was no cancellation in 2015. Canada did not sign on for acquisition until 2022.

 

[DBNSG]

There was no cancellation in 2015. Canada did not sign on for acquisition until 2022.

The first act of Trudeau as P.M. back in 2015 was ordering our 6 Pack of CF-18's out of Kuwait to give the poor ISIS bunch a chance.

 

[dapaterson]

There was no cancellation of a JSF acquisition in 2015 because there had been no JSF acquisition to that point in time.

Canada has been involved as a contributing nation to the JSF since the late 1990s, but did not sign on to acquire aircraft (through the PSFD MOU, not commercial or FMS) until late 2022.

Saying the government cancelled the F35 in 2015 is factually incorrect since the acquisition decision was only made in 2022.

...Unless PSPC also bought a DeLorean and a flux capacitor, and DND had 202 Workshop do the integration work...

 

[PuckChaser]

There was no cancellation in 2015. Canada did not sign on for acquisition until 2022.

Much like Portgual, it wasn't a real cancellation but effectively a restart on a process we all knew would select the F-35 anyway. We'd already have a few squadrons equipped if they didn't politically punt the decision because they hate defense spending.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

The two are starting to intermingle. These days an infantryman has to adapt to a digital world, whereas we in our day were analog.

The new improved digital radios are an an example.

Then training, in turn, must adapt to reflect that. Doctrine and force structures moreso.

If we have a more digitally/technological inclined infantry soldier, how much support/specialist pers are needed within the Bn? Can we claw then back to the Bde Div level with the other CS (Eng, Arty, ISR, etc.)?

I feel this argument is had at the onset/conclusion of every conflict where technology shifts greatly.

I remember reading about the Canadian Machine Gun Corps in WWI and the belief it was a separate, distinct combat capability from Infantry. 4 years of having to work closely and intimately within a infantry Bn, it was absorbed and became a new role (along with improved tactics and doctrine).

Makes me wonder how long until the discussion about Pl FPV operators starts taking shape.

 

[Kirkhill]

Camels are more an Arab thing

Can't make out if it is a Dromedary or a Bactrian camel.

 

[ytz]

Then training, in turn, must adapt to reflect that. Doctrine and force structures moreso.

If we have a more digitally/technological inclined infantry soldier, how much support/specialist pers are needed within the Bn? Can we claw then back to the Bde Div level with the other CS (Eng, Arty, ISR, etc.)?

I feel this argument is had at the onset/conclusion of every conflict where technology shifts greatly.

I remember reading about the Canadian Machine Gun Corps in WWI and the belief it was a separate, distinct combat capability from Infantry. 4 years of having to work closely and intimately within a infantry Bn, it was absorbed and became a new role (along with improved tactics and doctrine).

Makes me wonder how long until the discussion about Pl FPV operators starts taking shape.

We're quickly seeing how things integrate in unpredictable ways. Your need drones at every level and echelon from section to division level assets. And you need cyber operators to accompany SOF to break into enemy networks. Every division level organization or carrier/amphib group in the US now needs space liaisons in their operations shop to synchronize space effects (most of my class mates went to these billets from the exchange program I was on). We're not even close to that level of integration. Likewise, we're so far behind on air defence and EW, which again have to be much more organic these days. So the idea that all we need are training programs to pump out rifle carriers in 6 months is quite the stretch.

Also, I'm going to bet that any coming policy review will face a hard choice between maximizing a land force or an air and naval force and choose the latter. This is the sense I get watching some of the priorities develop around me.

 

[PrairieFella]

Most likely such stupid politicians less appropriate for Canada. 2015 ones already canceled F-35 purchase. It took 10 years to figure out own bad move and get back in line for new jets.
This guy have no even slightest idea about complexity of acquiring such high tech equipment, leave alone establishing own national manufacturing. And he is hopping to be top leader of Canada.

Wrong subcontinent brah.

 

[PrairieFella]

We're quickly seeing how things integrate in unpredictable ways. Your need drones at every level and echelon from section to division level assets. And you need cyber operators to accompany SOF to break into enemy networks. Every division level organization or carrier/amphib group in the US now needs space liaisons in their operations shop to synchronize space effects (most of my class mates went to these billets from the exchange program I was on). We're not even close to that level of integration. Likewise, we're so far behind on air defence and EW, which again have to be much more organic these days. So the idea that all we need are training programs to pump out rifle carriers in 6 months is quite the stretch.

Also, I'm going to bet that any coming policy review will face a hard choice between maximizing a land force or an air and naval force and choose the latter. This is the sense I get watching some of the priorities develop around me.

Makes sense - it takes a long time to build air and naval forces and you're generally stuck with what you had ready for the last war. Full speed ahead on the RCN and RCAF as far as im concerned. That said, I hope we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater here because at the end of the day, you can't win a war with ships or planes, at some point a ground pounder supported by armour and indirect fires need to close with and destroy the enemy. Hopefully there's a few pennies left for the Army somewhere in the cushions between planes, choppers, ships and boats.

 

[ytz]

Makes sense - it takes a long time to build air and naval forces and you're generally stuck with what you had ready for the last war. Full speed ahead on the RCN and RCAF as far as im concerned. That said, I hope we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater here because at the end of the day, you can't win a war with ships or planes, at some point a ground pounder supported by armour and indirect fires need to close with and destroy the enemy. Hopefully there's a few pennies left for the Army somewhere in the cushions between planes, choppers, ships and boats.

I think the Army needs to get onboard with that vision and ride it. Fewer dreams of heavy armoured brigades. And more poster boards of how air and sea mobile the army can be. Government wants more ships? Tell them how the army can build a marine regiment to crew an amphib. Government talking about buying more helicopters? The CA should explain to the MND their new concept for an air assault regiment. Etc.