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:rofl:mellian said:Whose to say it is not productive?
:rofl:mellian said:Whose to say it is not productive?
mellian said:Whose to say it is not productive?
mellian said:Obviously did not read my post that got merged into this thread to show how else it can be productive.
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/historyprofiles/tp/Why-Protest.htm
1. Protest events increase the visibility of the cause.
2. Protest events demonstrate power.
3. Protest events promote a sense of solidarity.
4. Protest events build activist relationships.
5. Protest events energize participants.
mellian said:base on the actions of few,
1. Protest events increase the visibility of the cause.
2. Protest events demonstrate power.
3. Protest events promote a sense of solidarity.
4. Protest events build activist relationships.
5. Protest events energize participants.
George Wallace said:It speaks volumes as to who they are.
Apollo Diomedes said:
One guy being an idiot, everyone egging him on taking pictures. It's about the ISSUES, obviously.
True, but most groups wield sanctions against the baddest apples, or clearly condemn the actions of the bad apples. Other than these statements:mellian said:May not agree, but many others do not. Discredit them as much as you like base on the actions of few, but remember that the same can be done for other groups and organizations as all unfortunately have their bad apples too.
Technoviking said:Here's my submission ;D
CDN Aviator said:So the solution is to keep holding events that constantly attract "a few" , drowns the issues and creates bad PR for the cause ?
The morning after the meetings are over, the public wont even remember what the protesters were saying, just that it took a whole lots of tear gas to stop them from destroying the place.
Thats if they even listened to the message at all. When you protest everything, you tend to get tuned out.
George Wallace said:What I don't understand is why these groups need to protest? If it wasn't for their complete apathy during Municipal, Provincial and National Elections, the greatest means available in this society to lodge a legitimate complaint in a legitimized forum for protest, then there would be no need for these forms of protest and their potential for violence and distruction.
If these people would exercise their democratic rights to vote and elected the people that they seriously thought could champion their causes, then we wouldn't have the riff raff causing problems for the rest of us at these events.
How come these supposed champions of all these fringe causes haven't figured out that when they don't exercise their franchise to vote in Municiple, Provincial, and Federal Elections, they really haven't any legitimate reason to complain. Apathy on their part is no reason to use violence to champion a cause they were not dedicated enough to fight for come election time. Why should we pay attention to them, if they can't be bothered to use legitimate means? It speaks volumes as to who they are.
Apollo Diomedes said:Based on the actions of a few?
Look up some pictures. Mpst of them have people either destroying crap or mixing it up with cops.
A few people being idiots and everyone else around them snapping pictures.
The RCMP-led Integrated Security Unit (ISU) of the G20 is refusing to rule out the use of Agent Provocateurs to get protesters to commit illegal acts, the Toronto Media Co-op has learned.
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During a phone interview with the Media Co-op, Constable Meghan Gray with the TPS G20 Planning Team responsible for Public Affairs, Communications & Community Relations, was also asked directly whether Agent Provocateurs would be used.
Toronto Media Co-op: Can you confirm or deny that you will be using agent provocateurs? Do you think they are illegal?
Meaghan Gray: “Like [my co-worker], George Tucker, those are operational issues, I can’t speak to that.”
TMC: “A source from the RCMP has told me their use is illegal. Are you saying you can’t rule out an illegal activity will be used?”
Gray: “Well…I’d have to ask someone else about that….I’ll get somebody to get back to you.”
Gray responded via e-mail 2 hours later.
“I have spoken with my colleagues on the Public Affairs Team and as I stated, with respect to your questions regarding Agents Provocateurs, the Integrated Security Unit for the G8-G20 Summits will not discuss operational details,” she wrote.
Though Gray stated that “all police efforts will be lawful”, this is not the first time that an ISU for a summit has been asked about Agent Provocateurs. Nor is it the first time they have refused to respond ....
mellian said:Ask the average joe on the street and they remember more the protests and police than what the summits are about.
mellian said:That is like saying we should disband the Canadian Forces because of a few murders and rapists.