Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )

[krimynal]

 

If you're not sworn member registered in HRMS, you will not be able to access.

okay so I don't have to be BMQ qualified , only sworn in.  So if I'm going for that matter next week , then maybe by the end of the month I might be able to access it !

 

[JorgSlice]

It won't be instant. You will have to wait a few weeks before your SN is active in HRMS, took a good 3 weeks for myself.

 

[krimynal]

alright , and on the website can I access all the info , are only the one regarding my position ???

I mean I'm joining the reserve as an artillery NCM , can I check the one for special forces ??? OR I will only be able to check to one for the army ....


I just want to see if I can do like the hardest training .... I'd rather train more and make sure to keep in shape !

 

[ARMY_101]

I mean I'm joining the reserve as an artillery NCM , can I check the one for special forces ??? OR I will only be able to check to one for the army ....

I just want to see if I can do like the hardest training .... I'd rather train more and make sure to keep in shape !

You don't need DFIT for that. See http://www.cg.cfpsa.ca/cg-pc/Petawawa/EN/FitnessandSports/MilitaryFitness/MilitaryFitnessTesting/Documents/CSORPRESELECTIONTRAININGPROGRAMFINAL.pdf

 

[MikeL]

alright , and on the website can I access all the info , are only the one regarding my position ???

I mean I'm joining the reserve as an artillery NCM , can I check the one for special forces ??? OR I will only be able to check to one for the army ....


I just want to see if I can do like the hardest training .... I'd rather train more and make sure to keep in shape !

There is no SOF program on DFIT (that I've seen), the only specialty program on DFIT is for Fire Fighter.  The CSOR and JTF2 training programs are available online, either go to the CANSOF forum on this site and find the thread with the links, or Google search it.

 

[krimynal]

There is no SOF program on DFIT (that I've seen), the only specialty program on DFIT is for Fire Fighter.  The CSOR and JTF2 training programs are available online, either go to the CANSOF forum on this site and find the thread with the links, or Google search it.

okay , sorry for my mistake , I thought the chart ( from my Google search ) was out of date , it looked so ..... old and basic that I thought it was the old one and they had made a new one that was on dfit ( specialty training ) I kinda assumed wrongfully that it was for special forces ( CSOR , JTF , ETC. ) but since the one on Google is the right one , ill use this one !

 

[Fishbone Jones]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVNHcob3oJg

 

[upandatom]

Hard to get posted to Quebec as an anglo with a profile when they have very rare vacancies they won't fill with an anglo because they need to save their slots for 5 Bgde mafia rotations from Montreal to St-Jean to Valcatraz circle circle circle.

Been there and done that as an anglo with a profile married to a franco who was in Quebec while I was IR in other provinces because they needed to keep their slots for so & so  or so & so who would get out if they posted him outside of la belle province.

Ms. Marois will also need to sort out her merde to really deal with the issue of anglo-mother tongue soldiers risking their child's education if posted to QC only to find out their kids can't be schooled easily or possibly even locally in english anymore.  Not an issue that franco soldiers posted outside of QC need to deal with.

I am already going through this, 50/50 custody being Anglo, No profile (X and X and N/A) English child, due to the new laws, Child is not allowed to attend due to only one parent being in service and currently possible for them to enroll in Ontario. Straight from the horses mouth.

 

[armyvern]

I am already going through this, 50/50 custody being Anglo, No profile (X and X and N/A) English child, due to the new laws, Child is not allowed to attend due to only one parent being in service and currently possible for them to enroll in Ontario. Straight from the horses mouth.

Sounds like discrimination based upon your marital status ... a prohibited ground.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Let's get back on track folks.

---Staff---

 

[ModlrMike]

Did the FORCE last night. Harder than I expected, but fairly easy to complete none the less. I can see where smaller, slighter members have a harder time.

How do we remedy that? I don't know.
Do we need to remedy that? I also don't know.

I do know that expecting a 100lb female to move weights in the same manner as a 200lb male defies the laws of physics. Some here will say too bad, and perhaps it is. I'm not going to argue that point. I suppose that we should accept that the test is valid for the majority of members and that the outliers at one end will find it too hard, and at the other end too easy.

 

[George Wallace]

Did the FORCE last night. Harder than I expected, but fairly easy to complete none the less. I can see where smaller, slighter members have a harder time.

How do we remedy that? I don't know.
Do we need to remedy that? I also don't know.

I do know that expecting a 100lb female to move weights in the same manner as a 200lb male defies the laws of physics. Some here will say too bad, and perhaps it is. I'm not going to argue that point. I suppose that we should accept that the test is valid for the majority of members and that the outliers at one end will find it too hard, and at the other end too easy.

We could turn back the clock, like had been done to bring back Pips and Crowns, and set height and gender restrictions on our Recruiting.    >

 

[Shamrock]

I have been told the rates of failure for the FORCE evaluation are significantly similar to those of the EXPRES test.

I wonder, though, if the demographics are the same

 

[armyvern]

...

I do know that expecting a 100lb female to move weights in the same manner as a 200lb male defies the laws of physics. Some here will say too bad, and perhaps it is. I'm not going to argue that point. I suppose that we should accept that the test is valid for the majority of members and that the outliers at one end will find it too hard, and at the other end too easy.

Sure it defies the law of physics, but the test IS valid for 100% of CAF members.

If the MINIMUM Operational requirement is for a CAF member to be able to move XX pounds of weight, then that is applicable to 100% of CAF members regardless of their size/sex.  Whatever their size/sex - if they can't pull the minimum operationally required weight of a CAF member, then perhaps they should not be CAF members.

I'm OK with facing the fact that a 4'2" chick weighing 89 pounds probably will never become a CAF member.  How un-PC of me, but at the end of the day the fact is that if she can't drag those sandbags, then facts would show that she also can't drag my injured ass out of the vehicle either.  Too bad for her.  Good for me and the other soldiers who would have been in her vehicle.

 

[OldSolduer]

I did the FORCE test Saturday morning at 0730. I passed. I'm on the far side of 55.

If I can pass.....everyone should be able to.

 

[Ostrozac]

Sure it defies the law of physics, but the test IS valid for 100% of CAF members.

If the MINIMUM Operational requirement is for a CAF member to be able to move XX pounds of weight, then that is applicable to 100% of CAF members regardless of their size/sex.  Whatever their size/sex - if they can't pull the minimum operationally required weight of a CAF member, then perhaps they should not be CAF members.

I'm OK with facing the fact that a 4'2" chick weighing 89 pounds probably will never become a CAF member.  How un-PC of me, but at the end of the day the fact is that if she can't drag those sandbags, then facts would show that she also can't drag my injured *** out of the vehicle either.  Too bad for her.  Good for me and the other soldiers who would have been in her vehicle.

Agreed. We already discriminate based on body shape for CF-18 pilots -- if you are the size of an NBA player (Yao Ming is 7'6" and 310 pounds) -- then you don't fit in the cockpit and you won't be slowed by the parachute. Therefore you won't fly fighters. Period. That's a legitimate, legally defensible job restriction. It looks like FORCE is aiming to similarly be legally defensible. And that means it has to be benchmarked against real job requirements, not theoretical ones like doing X number of pushups.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I did the FORCE test Saturday morning at 0730. I passed. I'm on the far side of 55.

If I can pass.....everyone should be able to.

But you're an infantry guy and therefore some kind of fitness freak, right?  ;D

 

[x_para76]

Whatever the test is comprised of I like the idea of having one standard for everyone regardless of gender. It's refreshingly honest for it to be acknowledged that not everyone is suited to doing every job and that some people just aren't physically suitable.

 

[jollyjacktar]

I have been doing some course work with a QL 5 HT class this past two weeks.  They recently finished the Helo Crash Rescue portion of the course and had taken the FF PT test.  They did the Force test on Tuesday only to learn of a message a day or two earlier which says if you've completed a specialist PT test like that you don't need to do the Force test as was with the Express test.  AAlso,  the PSP staff said something is in the works for different levels and an exemption.

 

[caocao]

Different levels would be great, don't care if it is only for bragging rights as i don't think that bringing back exemption or extra points is the way to go.  There are still going to be lazy a$$e$ who are only going to do the minimal level required and be happy with a "pass" but at least give the opportunity to those who wants to challenge themselves to go above and beyond.