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Chris Pook said:The Irish manage - despite the double handicap of Guiness and being Irish. >
I'm sure the Guiness helps a great deal. ;D
Chris Pook said:The Irish manage - despite the double handicap of Guiness and being Irish. >
Constitutional reform, no? Non starter.Chris Pook said:Better yet - make the Senate the home of the party representation. Leave the Commons the home of the local representative. I don't mind ranked ballots. I consider proportional representation to be as anti-democratic as it comes. If we are going to accept anti-democrativ power blocks then put them into the Senate - Substitute the Lords of the Party for the Lords Temporal and the Lords of the Unions for the Lords Spiritual.
Rocky Mountains said:Ranked ballots are too complicated. Counting ballots and trying to get them to balance is already a challenge for poll clerks who are human and a long way out of school. Computerizing the system would mean that Chinese hackers get to determine who wins. I think the Liberals need to study the matter and determine our present system works best.
Altair said:Constitutional reform, no? Non starter.
I'm really interested in this independent and non partisan Pana that will select senators. At lest harper was decent enough not to stack the Senate with conservatives before he left.
Altair said:Constitutional reform, no? Non starter.
I'm really interested in this independent and non partisan Panal that will select senators. At least harper was decent enough not to stack the Senate with conservatives before he left.
The Panal should be ok, because while they pick the candidate it's the prime minister suggesting that candidate to the GG.Chris Pook said:What makes you think the provinces won't challenge the panel selection? Their problem is that they prefer an illegitimate Senate because then their Council of the Federation is the alternative - and that represents the Governments of the Day in the provinces. As it stands the Federal Government can use the Senate, with its regional voice, as a big stick to beat the Provincial Governments over their collective heads and claim that the Federal policies reflect regional/provincial needs.
The way out for all parties - I believe - is for the Provincial Governments to appoint their Senators for the life of the Provincial Governments. That way the provincial parties get to choose their Senators and after a provincial election the Senators are replaced by a new intake of soberbagmenrepresentatives.
But that would take power away from the Premiers and put power in the hands of the Parties...... as if.
Chris Pook said:Better yet - make the Senate the home of the party representation. Leave the Commons the home of the local representative. I don't mind ranked ballots. I consider proportional representation to be as anti-democratic as it comes. If we are going to accept anti-democrativ power blocks then put them into the Senate - Substitute the Lords of the Party for the Lords Temporal and the Lords of the Unions for the Lords Spiritual.
Quebec doesn't want the Senate changed.Baz said:That's what I'd do, plus I'd make the GG elected.
Move the government to the Senate as a National House. Each party submits a list which includes what Cabinet positions would be filled. If a party gets 40% of the vote, then they get 40% of their list. Keep it simple, 100 Senators.
The Commons remains a Regional House, using Ranked Ballots, or possibly Single Transferable Vote. As it a regional house some type of multi seat regions could be done to make it more proportional, but I don't know its needed, that's what the upper house is for.
By the way, the "use 50 seats to be more proportional" is called Mixed Member Proportional... Germany uses a version of it.
Last thing, so Government doesn't bog down, if a bill is rejected in the senate but then passes the HoC, then the Government should be able to pass it somehow. The Government will always be in Minority in a proprtional house so there should be a way to move forward...
Altair said:The Panal should be ok, because while they pick the candidate it's the prime minister suggesting that candidate to the GG.
Should be constitutional.
Chris Pook said:What makes you think the provinces won't challenge the panel selection? Their problem is that they prefer an illegitimate Senate because then their Council of the Federation is the alternative - and that represents the Governments of the Day in the provinces. As it stands the Federal Government can use the Senate, with its regional voice, as a big stick to beat the Provincial Governments over their collective heads and claim that the Federal policies reflect regional/provincial needs.
The way out for all parties - I believe - is for the Provincial Governments to appoint their Senators for the life of the Provincial Governments. That way the provincial parties get to choose their Senators and after a provincial election the Senators are replaced by a new intake of soberbagmenrepresentatives.
But that would take power away from the Premiers and put power in the hands of the Parties...... as if.
GR66 said:Could one possible solution be to continue to have the PM assign the Senators but have a list of nominees provided by each Provincial party?
jmt18325 said:What we're going to get is something like the Order of Canada nomination committee. I don't see why there would be a problem with it, as the PM is not bound by their advice.
Chris Pook said:Which brings us back to square one: the PM can appoint whoever he dam well chooses.
Parliamentary sovereignty is a principle of the UK constitution. It makes Parliament the supreme legal authority in the UK, which can create or end any law. Generally, the courts cannot overrule its legislation and no Parliament can pass laws that future Parliaments cannot change. Parliamentary sovereignty is the most important part of the UK constitution.
The Supreme Court is the final court of appeal in the UK for civil cases, and for criminal cases from England, Wales and Northern Ireland. It hears cases of the greatest public or constitutional importance affecting the whole population. We are open on weekdays from 0930 to 1630.
Chris Pook said:Doesn't work in the UK either. Blair was the last to take a crack at it by reducing the Hereditary Peers, the Lords Spiritual and the Law Lords, introducing a higher proportion of party bagmen and putting in place some weirdness known as a Supreme Court.
http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/sovereignty/
https://www.supremecourt.uk/
Used to was that the final arbiters were the Law Lords but everybody had a right to appeal their judgements through Parliament to the Crown.
Tangent. Apologies. Aggravation.
Suffice it to say the British system ain't what it used to was and it hasn't changed for the better.