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Election 2015

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From David Akin, of Sun News:

         
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He says: "Second poll today showing Conservatives with some separation. This time, it's Angus Reid, in the field Sep 28-30 with an online poll of 2,000: CPC 34% with LPC and NDP tied at 27%"
 
Nanos and ipsos Reid have a tie on top, ndp in third. Forum has been all over the place this entire election.
 
I think what you want to look at are trends and I think the trends, this week, are:

    The Conservatives are tending up 

    The Liberals are holding steady        and

    The NDP are trending down         

Edited to add:

The important question, it seems to me, is not who is leading (or trailing) in which poll? Rather, it is: do polls influence results on voting days? (Polls are open 9, 10, 11 and 12 Oct (12 Oct is Thanksgiving Day) and, of course, on 19 Oct.) Many analysts consider Momentum, the Big Mo, as being all important in the last two weeks of a campaign. The Conservatives must be holding their collective breath to see if they do, indeed, have momentum and the Liberals might be asking themselves if they are stalled at the worst possible time.

One would love to be privy to the parties' internal, private polls ...
 
The latest from the Globe and Mail

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/globe-election-forecast-2015/article25377958/


Larry
 
Larry Strong said:
The latest from the Globe and Mail

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/globe-election-forecast-2015/article25377958/


Larry


That is also a trending up indicator for the Conservatives (up from a 55% chance of getting the most seats just a couple of days ago).
 
Well, good for the CPC I guess. Hopefully the the soft NDP supporters start going LPC.

Still 3 long ways to go.
 
>Still 3 long ways to go.

Thanks to ERC, this forum is a very short distance away from marking time in sleeps...
 
E.R. Campbell said:
That is also a trending up indicator for the Conservatives (up from a 55% chance of getting the most seats just a couple of days ago).

More on this trend from Eric grenier

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-grenier-polls-oct1-1.3252148
 
Saw a rather bizzare thing on CBC news this morning. A reporter was talking at length about the auto industry in St Catherines and a protest by auto workers blaming Prime Minister Harper on the loss of jobs in the auto sector.

Somehow, in all the verbiage it never emerged that the primary cause of the devastation of the manufacturing (including auto) sector in Ontario is the Ontario Liberal Party and the economic policies they have been following since their election. This is an even better example of hostile PSYOPS than anything from RT.

Of course if the majority of voters are really that willfully ignorant, then we really do deserve the government we will get come 19 Oct.
 
Altair said:
Well, good for the CPC I guess. Hopefully the the soft NDP supporters start going LPC.

Still 3 long ways to go.


Following that line ... Jeffrey Simpson, who is, more or less, the unofficial spokesman (poster boy, at least) for the Laurentian Elites, suggests, in this column which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail, that, no matter what the polling trends might suggest, the CPC has the weakest team in memory:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/globe-politics-insider/jeffrey-simpson-weak-conservative-lineup-reflection-of-harpers-leadership/article26625848/
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Weak Conservative lineup a reflection of Harper’s leadership

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Jeffrey Simpson
VANCOUVER — The Globe and Mail

Published Friday, Oct. 02, 2015

That the Conservatives have trotted out former minister Stockwell Day and retiring minister James Moore to campaign in British Columbia illustrates fundamental and revealing facts about the party.

The Conservatives have the weakest cabinet in living memory, its weakness deepened with the death of Jim Flaherty and the decisions of Mr. Moore, John Baird, Shelly Glover and Peter MacKay to not seek re-election.

The Conservatives also have a painfully thin back bench, with very few MPs anyone might consider serious ministerial timber. And they have the poorest lot of local candidates in this election.

Of course, there are some notable exceptions to this observation. But travelling across the country, and studying the backgrounds of candidates for all parties, leads inescapably to the conclusion that the Conservative list is the weakest.

Any party in office for nine years will experience churn. People get tired, burned-out. They look for a different, less-stressful life. No more jet planes; no more public meetings; no more hassles. That those well-known ministers bowed out, as did a couple dozen other Tory MPs, could be considered normal.

But for two observations. First, being a cabinet minister under Stephen Harper is to have so little leeway for initiative, the government being controlled by him and his advisers, that being a minister isn’t what it used to be. Ministers, at least the top rung of them, used to be somebodies. Now, they lie between being somebodies and nobodies, closer actually to the latter than the former.

Second, either the party made little attempt to recruit strong candidates (except in five or six ridings in Quebec, where such candidates did appear), or the party tried and failed, since very accomplished people would have heard how things work inside the Harper government and decided being told what to have for lunch wasn’t for them.

Think back to cabinets of yesteryear, Progressive Conservative and Liberal. Even the most forceful of prime ministers had a bevy of strong ministers. For Pierre Trudeau, it would have been people such as Allan MacEachen, Marc Lalonde, Jean-Luc Pépin, Donald Macdonald, John Turner (for a while), Lloyd Axworthy and many others. For Brian Mulroney, his strong ministers would have included, among many, Don Mazankowski, John Crosbie, Michael Wilson, Flora MacDonald (for a term), Jake Epp, Joe Clark.

Today, in the Harper cabinet, is there even one Mazankowski or Lalonde, or anyone close to their standing, influence and reputation? The question is rhetorical – with the possible exception of Defence Minister Jason Kenney, who is a spear carrier of enormous energy and verbal dexterity, obviously running to become leader of the party post-Harper.

This is the Harper Party. He, more than anyone, created it. He runs it with an iron fist directly or through his subalterns. His is the public face and voice of the party, such that there is almost no room left for anyone else. To the Prime Minister will go entirely the credit for victory and, if it comes to that, will come the entire blame for defeat.

The hollowing out of Conservative talent might not be fatal in a general election where local candidates generally can sway up to only about 5 per cent of the vote. If, as regularly happens, Tory candidates across the country refuse to do media interviews or do not show up for all-candidates’ debates, such no-shows are regrettable but not all that damaging. Given their thin résumés and preference to read from scripts or talking points, perhaps it is better that they do not show up.

Moreover, there are about 100 or so ridings in which the Conservatives won by so much – 25 points or more – in 2011 that the proverbial “yellow dog” could have won.

A recent and careful poll of Manitoba by Probe Research (with a sample size of 1,000) illustrates the point. It shows the Conservatives are 14 points provincewide below their share of the vote in 2011. But outside Winnipeg, in rural Manitoba, where the Conservatives topped the Liberals by 64 to 7 per cent in 2011, they now lead by “only” 16 points, 49 to 33. These are the “yellow dog ridings” where the quality of Conservative candidates counts for almost nothing. (The New Democratic Party is down everywhere in Manitoba.)

Strong leader. Weak cabinet. Poor backbenchers. Generally ordinary candidates, at best. There are exceptions, to repeat, to this characterization. But they are exceptions. So bring on Messrs. Day and Moore to campaign.


Now, Mr Simpson does make an interesting and valid observation: in politics, strong leaders tend to attract weaker followers or, equally probably, drive out strong followers. Consider, for example, Pierre Trudeau. he inherited, in 1968, a very strong Liberal cabinet, by 1984 it was a mere shadow of its former self. Ditto, I think, for Mulroney in 1984 to 1992, and then, of course, poor old Jean Chrétien, who presented himself as a strong leader, was never able to "command and control" his cabinet, suggesting, to me, that he was, in fact, a weak leader. In Canadian (and most Westminster style governments) we have also seen the impact of creeping Americanism since, say, 1960 (the TV age) and the office of the prime minister has evolved from being primus inter pares to being quite presidential. So, in my opinion, Mr Simpson is describing a phenomenon which we can see at play in Australia, Britain and Canada, alike (Germany and India, too, probably) and he is, in the process, acknowledging that Prime Minister Harper IS a strong leader.

I do take issue with him on the topic of the CPC's bench strength. I think the current caucus is good enough for another term or even two, and I believe, as I have noted elsewhere in this Canadian Politics section, that the party has a pretty good batch of potential leaders ~ at least as good (better, I suspect) than either the LPC or NDP can field.
 
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/nanos-polls

Slight uptick for the LPC and leading in Ontario.  Still essentially tied though.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
It is not universal, by any means, but I suspect  this (the crowd's) reaction to Syrian refugees is much more common than many of us think. It is an election issue.

There are several different reactions to the niqab issue: while I sympathize with Mayor Nenshi's views, although I would not call it (raising the niqab ban) "disgusting," I agree with Rosemont-La Petite-Patrie, NDP candidate Alexandre Boulerice that the issue is "disturbing" in the public reaction to it.

The fact is, however, that it IS an issue, one which the CPC and BQ will both try to exploit for their own, narrow, partisan political advantage.

But there are principles involved: an individual's right to freedom of conscience, which can, arguably, extend to wanting to preserve her dignity/modesty because she considers it a vital attribute of her freedom, Canadian vs foreign cultural norms, and tolerance, with all that word implies. For both the Liberals and the NDP there is a price to be paid for their principles; for the Conservatives principles may bring electoral rewards.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Prof William Watson, in this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Ottawa Citizen, examines the hidden agenda ... but not Stephen Harper's, he suspects that what we've seen is what we'll get again, but, rather the two hidden agendas of the Liberal and New Democratic Parties:

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/watson-look-whose-agenda-is-hidden-now?hootPostID=fad0d095e790166b4da3cd8b2b582f43

If we do not get a Conservative majority, then:

    I fear the NDP's left wing, notwithstanding M Mulcair's move to the centre ~ which I believe is real; and

    I can only hope that the Liberals might elect enough right wingers, blue Liberals or Manley Liberals to offset and overpower the influence of Gerald Butts and Premier Wynne, because I believe that
    M Trudeau is a sock puppet for those two.


But the "hidden agenda" is not dead, after all. A Progressive News Source has trotted it our, again, asking its readers to, in turn, ask their Conservative candidates for their views on abortion ... of course we have been told that candidates for the LPC and NDP may not have "views" of their own, they must toe the party line. (Edmund Burke must be rolling in his grave if he can see the depths to which freedom of conscience has sunk in those two parties.)
 
A elementary teacher friend of mine is coming to grips with the Influence of the OLP influence on the LPC control room and reliving Wynne's steamroller-negotiating tactics with te teaches...maybe more teachers (particularly in Ontario) will be less inclined to vote for Trubuttswynne...
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Lawrence Martin, writing in the Globe and Mail, in this column which is reproduced under the fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from that newspaper, is a bit uncertain about whether M Trudeau is rising or just that M Mulcair is falling. What he is sure about is that M Mulcair, unlike Prime Minister Harper, has failed to attend to either of his two bases, in Quebec, and amongst the broader Canadian left, and will, therefore, lose:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/the-ndp-can-kiss-its-chances-goodbye/article26571622/

The other key insight here, I think, is, as others have described in this thread, that M Mulcair is a natural Liberal and M Trudeau seems, like his father, to be a silk stocking socialist who belongs in the NDP.


Accepting that the NDP is falling in public support, Adam Radwanski, writing in this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail, suggest possible courses of action for M Mulcair and the NDP:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/globe-politics-insider/as-ndp-lags-in-polls-whats-mulcairs-next-move-before-election-day/article26628993/
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As NDP lags in polls, what’s Mulcair’s next move before election day?

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Adam Radwanski
The Globe and Mail

Published Friday, Oct. 02, 2015

They won’t quite admit it, as they try to play down their precipitous drop in the polls. But talking this week to New Democrats working on their party’s national campaign, it is clear they believe salvaging what was once an enormously promising chance at winning power will require a more energetic and aggressive effort than the one they have run so far.

As they break away from the cautious manner of campaigning that appeared to assume front-runner status, or at least a comfortable advantage over Justin Trudeau’s Liberals as the favoured alternative to Stephen Harper’s Conservatives, here are some of the strategic and tactical efforts Canadians can expect to see from Thomas Mulcair’s party in the election’s final 2 1/2 weeks.

A combative debate performance

The immediate imperative for Mr. Mulcair is to stop the bleeding in Quebec, where the NDP’s double-digit lead over the nearest party has eroded.

His imminent make-or-break opportunity is Friday’s French-language debate – the final time the leaders will converge on stage this campaign, and possibly the most-viewed such event because it will be on Quebec’s popular TVA network. (Also crucial: an appearance on the highly influential TV show Tout ‎Le Monde En Parle, to air on Sunday.)

There is never any way to know how politicians will perform under that kind of pressure.

But Mr. Mulcair will likely display a more fiery demeanour than in some of the other debates so far. While the NDP tried to get away from the “Angry Tom” image earlier in the race, many members of his campaign team now say they think that worry was overblown, and that he’s better to be passionate than overly calm.

Beyond tone, Mr. Mulcair seems set to adjust his debate message.

Needing to shift focus away from the firestorm around the niqab, which has played a big part in the NDP’s recent troubles, Mr. Mulcair will spend more time attacking Mr. Harper’s economic and ethical record in hope of refocusing Quebeckers on replacing a prime minister most of them don’t like.

A post-debate bounce of even a few percentage points in Quebec would go a long way toward helping perceived competitiveness nationally. Any more slippage there, and the party’s national numbers could slide to the point where the rest of the NDP’s strategy becomes moot.

A busier tour schedule

This Sunday, Mr. Mulcair will conduct a “whistle stop” tour of Southwestern Ontario, appearing in six ridings in a region where the NDP needs to break through. That seems partly a defensive move, countering the Liberals’ hope of projecting momentum the same day with a Toronto-area rally that will be the campaign’s biggest event staged by any party so far. But the accelerated pace – if not quite that accelerated – will continue thereafter.

Under different circumstances, the NDP might not have intensified their efforts that much until the campaign’s final week. But competing for votes with a rival opposition leader using youthful energy to his advantage, Mr. Mulcair has obvious incentive to show some extra vigour of his own.

Attack ads

In hindsight, it might have been a mistake for the NDP to avoid advertising much during the campaign’s first month, since big Liberal ad buys during that period helped erase the NDP’s edge. But backloading its spending means Mr. Mulcair’s party will now be all over the airwaves, especially with the NDP claiming to have raised $9-million in the past three months alone.

The NDP’s hope was probably to seal the deal with positive spots featuring Mr. Mulcair. Under the circumstances, it’s going heavy with attack ads. In English Canada, that includes a trio of radio commercials that take aim at Mr. Trudeau for his past acceptance of speaking fees, his support for Bill C-51 and (in the aforementioned Southwestern Ontario market) his party’s views on the auto sector.

Quebeckers are likelier to see or hear scandal-focused attacks on the Tories, which to some extent are running in the rest of the country as well.

A strategic voting pitch

At the doors, over the phones and digitally, the New Democrats are stepping up attempts to convince voters they have a better chance than the Liberals of beating the Conservatives.

Broadly, that means highlighting that because they entered the campaign with nearly three times as many seats as Mr. Trudeau’s party, they have an easier path to power. And in some ridings, it means making the case (based on last election’s results or current polling) that they’re close enough to ousting Conservative incumbents that a few hundred would-be Liberal votes could make the difference.

The NDP’s hope is to pivot even more to this message in the campaign’s final week, including through advertising. Whether it’s able to credibly make its strategic-voting case will depend on how its other strategic gambits pan out.


I think that all three party leaders face similar dilemmas. Yes the NDP is falling, but the CPC and LPC are not rising either at all or at the rate they want ... it is still a tight, three way race. I agree that M Mulcair must have two messages: against Prime Minister Harper in Quebec and against M Trudeau in Ontario and BC. I think Prime Minister Harper can play the "red neck" card (the niqab, security fears about Syrian refugees, stripping citizenship from convicted terrorists, etc) in all regions: Atlantic Canada, Quebec, Ontario, the Prairies and BC. M Trudeau, it seems to me, must return to economics: Promises, Promises and more promises ... without too much attention to costs.
 
Andrew Coyne, last night on the At Issue panel mused about that exact dilema.  If Mulcair goes at Trudeau too much then it looks like he's fighting for 2nd place.  He suggested that the NDP may have to move back to the left (and be more vocal) on some issues especially in regards to the TPP where they would be the lone dissenter (thus claiming to support farmers, auto workers etc etc).  If they can sell this as being bad for Canada they might get some support back and that support must come from Ontario.
 
Remius said:
Andrew Coyne, last night on the At Issue panel mused about that exact dilema.  If Mulcair goes at Trudeau too much then it looks like he's fighting for 2nd place.  He suggested that the NDP may have to move back to the left (and be more vocal) on some issues especially in regards to the TPP where they would be the lone dissenter (thus claiming to support farmers, auto workers etc etc).  If they can sell this as being bad for Canada they might get some support back and that support must come from Ontario.


Good point. I think the TPP is very important for Canada's long term economic health, I'm always a BIG supporter of free(er) trade, but I know it is a loaded (political) gun in the short term, especially during an election campaign, and I am convinced that the CPC is dithering and may "screw the pooch" out of plain, old fashioned, political fear.
 
I'm thinking that this plan is starting to make the NDP look desperate.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/ndp-to-unveil-platform-geared-specifically-to-toronto-area-1.2591753

While catering to Toronto may seem like a good idea it may shrink support elsewhere.  But more importantly it show, at least to me, that the party is shortsighted in its vision and does not have the country's best interest at heart in the larger sense and seem to heading towards the "anything at all cost to win".

We'll see if this will translate into more support in Ontario and if it will offset the decline in Quebec.
 
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/nanos-polls

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I have no authority to make this claim, but IMO, what we're seeing here is a reflection of strategic voting intentions starting to take shape. Those on the left who want change, but were split between NDP and LPC, are finally making a decision (or changing their decision) and leaning toward Liberal.

I think if the Liberals want to keep this momentum, they need some really inspiring capaign ads. They don't need anti-conservative attack ads; the left-wing already doesn't like harper, and red-tories won't believe the ads. Anti-Mulcair ads might help, but IMO they're not as effective real inspiring ads, and the NDP are doing a fine enough job on their own.
 
Remius said:
I'm thinking that this plan is starting to make the NDP look desperate.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/ndp-to-unveil-platform-geared-specifically-to-toronto-area-1.2591753

While catering to Toronto may seem like a good idea it may shrink support elsewhere.  But more importantly it show, at least to me, that the party is shortsighted in its vision and does not have the country's best interest at heart in the larger sense and seem to heading towards the "anything at all cost to win".

We'll see if this will translate into more support in Ontario and if it will offset the decline in Quebec.


I guess it makes sense if you agree that he is both:

    1. In a tight race with M Trudeau in urban, central Toronto; and

    2. In a tight, three way race, with Prime Minister Harper and M Trudeau in the GTA suburbs.

I believe the first is true, but I'm less sure about the second. I think there are a few tight races in the suburbs but I haven't seen any recent numbers which would say if they are two or three way races.
 
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