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Kirkhill said:
No Federal money.  (And that is a good thing - the entire project is locally funded - not even any Provincial money).

That $ 240 million Community Revitalization Levy - property tax that the city/province could use for other projects.  The local and provincial property tax on new projects in the neighborhood go to fund the project as if it were found money.  To use Edmonton as an example.  Instead of school tax going to underfunded schools, it goes to a billionaire to pay for a place for his millionaire employees to play a kid's game.  Instead of property tax fixing collapsing infrastructure it goes for the same billionaire thing.
 
Rocky Mountains said:
That $ 240 million Community Revitalization Levy - property tax that the city/province could use for other projects.  The local and provincial property tax on new projects in the neighborhood go to fund the project as if it were found money.  To use Edmonton as an example.  Instead of school tax going to underfunded schools, it goes to a billionaire to pay for a place for his millionaire employees to play a kid's game.  Instead of property tax fixing collapsing infrastructure it goes for the same billionaire thing.

Not the Province - unless you are planning on using Calgary Taxpayers dollars for rural benefit.

Given the number of out of towners that go to Flames and Stampeders games I am not sure where the dividing line goes.  When Mike from Canmore comes to town Calgary benefits from his beer dollars.

As to the area itself, it is the area just behind the Mewata Armouries.  The area currently includes a science museum, a bus terminal and turnaround, Mewata stadium and a whole bunch of parking lots known as car dealerships. 

It is not immediately clear how much, if any, remediation will need to be done on the site.  That will be influenced by whatever construction is required at or below grade.  Not every site needs to be rendered free of contamination.  Sometimes all that is required is that the site be secured (in the Naval sense).
 
Just saw the CTV newscast daily tid-bit on the Duffy trial.

In the "compulsory" scene where the camera follows Duffy walking to the court house, you can see across the street and in plain view, a garbage truck with their company motto painted on it: "Think Green - Think Clean"

Ms. May and her Party could not buy publicity like that  ;D
 
Kirkhill said:
Not the Province - unless you are planning on using Calgary Taxpayers dollars for rural benefit.

The provincial education tax on new assessments and inflationary assessment increases within the zone certainly does go to the billionaire instead of the kids.

Here's a City of Edmonton website.

http://www.edmonton.ca/city_government/projects_redevelopment/community-revitalization-levy-faq.aspx#26745
 
If the Duffy trial were to turn up anything incendiary, I would expect it to occupy most of CBC's bandwidth for a week.  Absence of sensational reporting is evidence of absence of significant wrongdoing.

Regarding that and most other small beer items trumpeted as major shortcomings: people who dislike A and like B are going to rationalize their dislike of A and like of B however they can; most will not come within a full degree of equatorial longitude of anything resembling a well-informed opinion.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
The Duffy trial will go into recess at the end of the week (or the end of next week?) and it will not resume until after the election.

Bear in mind this nugget of political wisdom:

                                                 
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                                                                                ... we have almost nine "long times" until election day.

I thought the bloody corpse was going to be dragged through the streets until the burial.  As they'll be shutting down the circus early, then yes, I agree there'll be many a slip twixt the cup and the lip on all sides before the 19th.  The sheep may just find something else to baaaa at by then.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
The Conservative "ground war" is going strong in the ethnic suburbs, especially around Vancouver and Toronto. Defence Minister Jason Kenney is wallpapering the Internet with this:

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... and this

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... and more of this:

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And Veteran's Affairs Minister Erin O'Toole is out there, too:

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... as is Labour Minister Kellie Leitch

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Popular MPs like Ministers Kenney and Leitch are being sent all across Canada to shore up Conservative support in small towns and suburbs.

My sense is that CPC will concede some of the inner cities, especially Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal, (say 30-50 ridings) to the NDP and Liberals, but they plan to win the election in rural Canada, in small towns small cities, and in the suburbs around the big cities (the other 285-310 ridings of which they need 170 to win a majority.


And it, the CPC's campaign in the ethnic suburbs, is still going strong:

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Chris Alexander ~ a potential CPC leadership candidate in the not too distant future

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The Prime Minister doing "gip and grin" with the locals at a Hindu temple in Toronto

It appears, to me, to be a fairly focused campaign: aimed at East and South Asians (Chinese-Canadians, Philippine-Canadians (the fastest growing immigrant group, I think) and Indo-Canadians) but it seems, largely, to ignore Arab-Canadians, Caribbean-Canadians and so on. I think that may be a function of where those groups live (middle class suburbs (which the CPC must win) vs urban areas) and their perceptions of the CPC.
 
This, coupled with the NDP's firing of two candidates who dared to say that Israel has broken international law demonstrates that the NDP is no longer a left wing party, at least as far as leadership goes. The political spectrum of debate in Canada is now razor thin to the point that it raises real questions about the state of democracy here.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tom-mulcair-defends-praise-for-margaret-thatcher-s-winds-of-liberty-and-liberalism-1.3196265

NDP Leader Tom Mulcair was forced Wednesday to defend flattering comments he made over a decade ago about the conservative policies of former U.K. prime minister Margaret Thatcher, a day after his 2001 remarks were the water-cooler talk in Quebec.

As a member of the National Assembly in Quebec under the Liberal government of Jean Charest, Mulcair credited the success of England's economy under Thatcher's Conservative Party to the "winds of liberty and liberalism" that "swept across the markets in England."
 
Kilo_302 said:
demonstrates that the NDP is no longer a left wing party,

You really want to believe that.  It is a party with literature that reads like the Communist Manifesto that currently declares itself to be nothing less than a socialist party.  However it is led by an opportunist with no principles who says whatever he thinks he needs to say to get elected.
 
Couldn't agree more. We are clearly only steps away from becoming another North Korea and one party rule breaking out on Parliament Hill....

(Yes, that was sarcasm)

 
Rocky Mountains said:
However it is led by an opportunist with no principles who says whatever he thinks he needs to say to get elected.

That pretty much describes every politcal party leader this country has ever had.  (Or at least those that have had a realistic opprotunity to form a government).
 
dapaterson said:
Rocky Mountains said:
However it is led by an opportunist with no principles who says whatever he thinks he needs to say to get elected.

That pretty much describes every politcal party leader this country has ever had.  (Or at least those that have had a realistic opprotunity to form a government).

That pretty much describes almost every political party leader anywhere, ever.
 
Kilo_302 said:
This, coupled with the NDP's firing of two candidates who dared to say that Israel has broken international law demonstrates that the NDP is no longer a left wing party, at least as far as leadership goes. The political spectrum of debate in Canada is now razor thin to the point that it raises real questions about the state of democracy here.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tom-mulcair-defends-praise-for-margaret-thatcher-s-winds-of-liberty-and-liberalism-1.3196265


So are you suggesting that the test for the left is to be anti-Israel?

Let's agree that Prime Minister Harper (and his cabinet and his caucus and the CPC candidates) and many (most?) CPC members are pro-Israel, sometimes to the point of blindness. the left is anti-Harper so I guess being anti-Israel fits.

Let's also agree that the "Jewish vote" in Canada, while not huge, is active and important and, despite many Jews' reservations about some of the CPC base's social views, appears to be supporting Stephen Harper and the CPC. So, is being anti-Jewish also a 'test' for those on the left?

I'm happy to agree that Justin Trudeau is, actively courting the Arab-Canadian vote ~ at least more actively than are either Prime Minister Harper or M Mulcair. Does that make them less pro-Israel?

But, traditionally, until the 1990s, both Jews, as a group, and Israel, as a nation, were considered to be, broadly, left or progressive. The changes occurred when the Arabs, after the political-military fiascos of the 1960s and '70s, hired some top flight New York PR/lobbying firms to create a new, anti-Israel narrative, sometimes called "soft warfare" which was, actually aided by 9/11 when many Western political leaders went out of their way to "understand" Arab grievances (many (most?) of which involve the very existence of Israel, even of Jews). There are legitimate Arab grievances, I hope no one denies that; but there are deep, serious problems with the Arab view of Israel's right to exist ~ I suspect many on the left choose to ignore those problems. The biggest problem, in the West, is that Israel wins too often. It is, really, that simple: Israel's long, steady string of victories offends our sense of "fair play," of balance. Why, we ask, must the Arabs always loose? The answer must be that the system, the "game" is unfair, it's rigged; it cannot be because many Arab leaders are corrupt and fail to provide their military with the tools needed. It cannot be because many Arab governments don't really want to have powerful, effective militaries, because they (the soldiers) might overthrow the government. It cannot be because Arab armies are poorly disciplined, poorly trained, poorly led and so on. Can't be, can it? The system must be rigged. But the "soft war" campaign was aimed, very specifically, at the US (and, to a lesser degree) the European left. At the time both US Democrats and Republicans were, reliably, pro-Israel; if anything the Democrats were more pro-Israel (actually just less isolationist) than was the GOP. But the big PR firms understood the changes being felt in American society at large and concluded that the left would be easier to "move" towards and anti-Israel position than the centre or right. So, we now have a situation where the most traditionally progressive of Americans, the Jews, have been booted out of the left/progressive 'movement' because they're Jews and they, and their affection and support for Israel, have become touchstones for the Republicans and the right (parts of the religious right already had its own reasons for supporting Israel). In my opinion: the left was wooed and won by a slick PR campaign, nothing else.

But you, Kilo_302, are my left barometer here on Army.ca and I can now conclude that being left and "democratic" means wishing for Hezbollah to defeat Israel and drive the Jews into the sea.
 
Rocky Mountains said:
You really want to believe that.  It is a party with literature that reads like the Communist Manifesto that currently declares itself to be nothing less than a socialist party.  However it is led by an opportunist with no principles who says whatever he thinks he needs to say to get elected.

You missed the part where I said "as far as the leadership goes." It can declare itself whatever it wants, but it's policy that matters. Similar to shifts with the Labour Party in the UK, there is no real left wing party in Canada outside of the Communist Party of course. An NDP government would be as neo-liberal as the Liberals or Conservatives.

E.R. Campbell said:
So are you suggesting that the test for the left is to be anti-Israel?

Let's agree that Prime Minister Harper (and his cabinet and his caucus and the CPC candidates) and many (most?) CPC members are pro-Israel, sometimes to the point of blindness. the left is anti-Harper so I guess being anti-Israel fits.

Let's also agree that the "Jewish vote" in Canada, while not huge, is active and important and, despite many Jews' reservations about some of the CPC base's social views, appears to be supporting Stephen Harper and the CPC. So, is being anti-Jewish also a 'test' for those on the left?

I'm happy to agree that Justin Trudeau is, actively courting the Arab-Canadian vote ~ at least more actively than are either Prime Minister Harper or M Mulcair. Does that make them less pro-Israel?

But, traditionally, until the 1990s, both Jews, as a group, and Israel, as a nation, were considered to be, broadly, left or progressive. The changes occurred when the Arabs, after the political-military fiascos of the 1960s and '70s, hired some top flight New York PR/lobbying firms to create a new, anti-Israel narrative, sometimes called "soft warfare" which was, actually aided by 9/11 when many Western political leaders went out of their way to "understand" Arab grievances (many (most?) of which involve the very existence of Israel, even of Jews). There are legitimate Arab grievances, I hope no one denies that; but there are deep, serious problems with the Arab view of Israel's right to exist ~ I suspect many on the left choose to ignore those problems. The biggest problem, in the West, is that Israel wins too often. It is, really, that simple: Israel's long, steady string of victories offends our sense of "fair play," of balance. Why, we ask, must the Arabs always loose? The answer must be that the system, the "game" is unfair, it's rigged; it cannot be because many Arab leaders are corrupt and fail to provide their military with the tools needed. It cannot be because many Arab governments don't really want to have powerful, effective militaries, because they (the soldiers) might overthrow the government. It cannot be because Arab armies are poorly disciplined, poorly trained, poorly led and so on. Can't be, can it? The system must be rigged. But the "soft war" campaign was aimed, very specifically, at the US (and, to a lesser degree) the European left. At the time both US Democrats and Republicans were, reliably, pro-Israel; if anything the Democrats were more pro-Israel (actually just less isolationist) than was the GOP. But the big PR firms understood the changes being felt in American society at large and concluded that the left would be easier to "move" towards and anti-Israel position than the centre or right. So, we now have a situation where the most traditionally progressive of Americans, the Jews, have been booted out of the left/progressive 'movement' because they're Jews and they, and their affection and support for Israel, have become touchstones for the Republicans and the right (parts of the religious right already had its own reasons for supporting Israel). In my opinion: the left was wooed and won by a slick PR campaign, nothing else.

But you, Kilo_302, are my left barometer here on Army.ca and I can now conclude that being left and "democratic" means wishing for Hezbollah to defeat Israel and drive the Jews into the sea.

You're putting words in my mouth, and those of the prospective MPs in question. If someone agrees that Israel has committed war crimes under the current definitions of international law, it does not necessarily follow that they wish for Hezbollah to "drive the Jews into the sea." That's inflammatory and extremely simplistic, however that's also the common strategy to shut down the discussion.

You are insinuating that I have politicized the Israel/Palestine question by associating the "left" and "democracy" with position favourable to Palestine. It was in fact the "right" broadly, in North America that has made such definitions. Mulcair has effectively said that discussion (to put it generously) has no bearing and no place in the NDP when it comes to this issue. The implications for debate in Canada are clear: Our "left-wing" party will not accept views on Israel outside of "unconditional support" thus allowing the "right" to decide the narrative. Surely you can see this is problematic for the democratic process.

 
Kilo_302 said:
...Surely you can see this is problematic for the democratic process.

Not at all, because on 19 October, each citizen eligible to vote may do so, and if they believe M. Mulcair no longer represents the views of the NDP, then they can either indirectly resolve the issue by voting locally for someone who more closely represents their own views, or more directly, by moving to the riding of Outremont, may vote for someone other than M. Mulcair.  That's the great part of a democracy...see how easy that was to have one's voice heard?
 
This could go here or media bias. You would think that the so called media could ask Mr. Harper an intelligent question vice the endless $90 K Duffygate.

Looks like Duffyy's lawyer has his own agenda.

http://epaper.nationalpost.com/epaper/viewer.aspx?noredirect=true

National Post - Christie Blatchford Comment from Ottawa - 19 Aug 15
   

Trial has become irredeemably political

Wright said he and Novak exchanged messages ‘probably two weeks ago’

Where to begin but with the bombshell, at long last arriving at the Mike Duffy trial to set Parliament Hill and the campaign buses ablaze and potentially place Prime Minister Stephen Harper in the soup.

What emerged at the trial late Tuesday was the revelation that another key Harper aide, Ray Novak, then working as Harper’s principal secretary and now on the election trail with the PM as his chief of staff, was allegedly in the room when then-chief of s t aff Nigel Wright announced that he was going to pay Duffy’s illgotten expenses out of his own pocket.

This was on March 22, 2013, just three days before Wright’s bank draft for $90,000 arrived at the office of Duffy’s then-lawyer, Janice Payne. Wright was calling Payne to finalize the arrangements.

According to emails filed at trial, three people from the Prime Minister’s Office — Wright, Novak and Ben Perrin, then Harper’s special adviser and legal counsel — were all to be on the call with Payne.

But Tuesday, with Duffy’s tireless lawyer, Don Bayne, cross-examining Wright for a fourth consecutive day, it emerged that in his Feb. 20, 2014 statement to the RCMP, Perrin said he’d arrived a few minutes early to Wright’s office that day to give him the heads-up that the call was going to be “really difficult.”

Duffy and Payne, according to Perrin, were once again resisting agreeing to the deal-in-the-works, with the senator for Prince Edward Island still imagining he might be able to convince the world that he’d done nothing wrong in claiming extra expenses for living in his long-time Kanata house, and that his actual “primary residence” was his cottage in P.E.I.

“He (Wright) said, ‘ He will be repaying because it’s coming out of my pocket,’ ” Perrin told the RCMP.

“And I believe Ray Novak was in the room at the time. Ray heard this,” Perrin said, “and I remember looking at Ray to see his reaction.”

Novak, who isn’t expected to testify as a witness here, has publicly maintained he didn’t know Wright was paying for Duffy until much later and that he wasn’t actually on the call; given his closeness with the PM, it added a level of support to Harper’s claim that he also didn’t know, and that once he did, Wright was gone from the PMO.

Wright, for his part, told Bayne that “Ray was not on the call, though he may have dropped into the office.”

“Perrin will suggest that he was,” Bayne said.

“That’s just not true,” Wright replied firmly, adding that he’d wanted Novak on it, but it didn’t happen that way.

Now, worthy of note (so guaranteed to be overlooked) is that while Bayne read aloud from Perrin’s RCMP statement, he didn’t ask Wright a single question about it, except how much he knew or didn’t about the mood of the Duffy-Payne contingent at the time.

Indeed, the propriety of putting to one witness the statement of another — let alone then failing to ask the witness any questions about it — is only arguably relevant to the issue of Duffy’s guilt or innocence.

This has been the norm throughout Wright’s cross examination, in that the former chief of staff has been shown and questioned about dozens of emails he wasn’t copied on or said he’d never seen before.



This isn’t to suggest that Bayne’s grilling didn’t yield some nuggets.

One was Wright admitting that he’d exchanged BlackBerry messages “probably about two weeks ago” with Novak.

Again, however, Bayne didn’t ask what the two had discussed; it’s reasonable the two are friends, and that this was a personal message.

Another, which was Bayne’s focus for much of the day, were the attempts of the PMO to try, in the lawyer’s words, “secretly, conspiratorially” to “fix” the outcome of an independent audit commissioned by the Senate and being done by Deloitte.

There’s little doubt that Wright and others in the PMO were, in their desperate efforts to contain the Duffy scandal, trying at the least to have Duffy dropped from the audit; Wright defends that as reasonable, because once Duffy publicly said he was going to repay his expenses and “may have made a mistake” in claiming he actually lived in P.E.I., the audit was moot.

Whether it was bad as Bayne portrayed it — Wright “trying to interfere with an independent audit” and enlisting Senator Irving Gerstein to use his contacts at Deloitte to lean on the auditor doing the work — or as benign as Wright described it is difficult to know.

But the one sure thing that can be said of the PMO effort in this regard, whatever its purpose, is that it failed: The auditor stuck to his guns and Gerstein was effectively told to back off.

What is astonishing is how irredeemably political this trial — a criminal trial, after all, revolving around one man’s guilt or innocence — has been from the get-go.

Even in its earliest days, Bayne was noticeably ragging the puck and questioning relatively minor witnesses for days, almost as if he hoped to drag the whole business out.

Then, when it became apparent more time would be needed, he was keen to get it going this fall, when, by chance, everyone knew the election was coming. Prosecutors Jason Neubauer and Mark Holmes, who are also handling the fraud case against Senator Mac Harb, said in open court they each have murder trials scheduled.

Miraculously, in late May, Harb’s lawyer, Sean May, appeared at the Ottawa courthouse with an application to have Harb’s trial date cancelled.

The case of the disgraced former Liberal senator, facing fraud and breach of trust charges of his own, had been slated to start Aug. 10.

Its postponement, agreed to by the prosecutors, meant these August weeks opened up time and space for the Duffy case to resume.

It’s surely just a happy coincidence, but one pales at the dark conspiracies Don Bayne would hatch if the likes of Nigel Wright ever claimed it was just a perfect storm of accident and happenstance.
 
Kilo_302 said:
This, coupled with the NDP's firing of two candidates who dared to say that Israel has broken international law demonstrates that the NDP is no longer a left wing party, at least as far as leadership goes. The political spectrum of debate in Canada is now razor thin to the point that it raises real questions about the state of democracy here.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tom-mulcair-defends-praise-for-margaret-thatcher-s-winds-of-liberty-and-liberalism-1.3196265

That revelation about his admiration of Thatcher puts Angry Tom up a few notches in my opinion, but I don't think he has the weight to steer the NDP very far to the right. It'll cause some damage, perhaps, but organized labour doesn't have any other wagon to hitch to, so I doubt it'll have the desired impact.

Might even have an unintended consequence of shifting a few more blue Liberals to orange, and giving the undecided like me an idea that the NDP might be a viable option (did I just say that? I'll go wash my mouth out with whisky now).
 
Judging from the email addresses the ladies on the site must have been very busy...... female names appear to be vastly outnumbered by male names
 
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