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Cutting the CF/DND HQ bloat - Excess CF Sr Leadership, Public Servants and Contractors

In real terms, PS salaries are shrinking.  The last settlement (for the PA group, at least) has provided increases below inflation, together with increased PSSA contributions - in real terms, compensation is shrinking by 1-2% per year (assuming individuals are at the top of their pay scale.  If not, the annual increments compensate).

And the relationship between military attrition and PS pay scales is tenuous - remember, most of the folks releasing to join the PS are getting an immediate annuity.  Even if they are old-plan, and getting out at 20 years, that's still 40% of their former military pay they are receiving on top of the PS pay - that makes it possible to take a lower salary and still have an increased income.

 
E.R. Campbell said:
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I used to employ both, I regarded my majors as ENG-05s and they, always, supervised ENG-04s and even, in one case, two ENG-05s. I regarded LCols as either ENG-06s ($115-135K) or EX-01s. I know my assessment of relative status was shared in both the DND engineering world and in some other government departments with which we worked closely on a day-to-day basis. But that was 20 years ago.

That still applies today in the DND engineering world; Eng 04s are generally doing the same jobs as 2 ringers, Eng 05s are roughly equivalent to 2 1/2s, and Eng 06s/EX-02s are in roughly similar positions as 3 ringers.  Of course there are a few exceptions, but think the situation above is generally accepted in terms of comparable levels of responsibility.
 
So it may turn out that cutting a battalion is more appropriate... But who needs teeth when you have a long tail!?
 
I'd trade a LCol for my entire Sqn being able to fire PWT2 as part of IBTS this year, but hey, budget cuts have to hit everyone including our ammo.
 
PuckChaser said:
I'd trade a LCol for my entire Sqn being able to fire PWT2 as part of IBTS this year, but hey, budget cuts have to hit everyone including our ammo.

Not true.  We (the Army) turn in shed-loads of Small Arms Ammo every single year, and there is enough o+M to shoot.  If you are in a Reserve unit, you are funded for pay to do PWT.  There is NO reason for you not to be on the range.  If you are being told no, someone isn't doing their job.
 
PPCLI Guy said:
Not true.  We (the Army) turn in shed-loads of Small Arms Ammo every single year, and there is enough o+M to shoot.  If you are in a Reserve unit, you are funded for pay to do PWT.  There is NO reason for you not to be on the range.  If you are being told no, someone isn't doing their job.

If I was in a reserve unit, I may chalk it up to that, but our area declared part way through running a few PRes BMQs that any ammo for those courses come out of a unit's allotment (vice area)... which quick ran us out. Now half of a large unit doesn't have the rounds to fire live PWT2. Whether that's a staffing blunder, or an budgetary concern, it seems awfully coincidental to the cuts running down the chain now.
 
PuckChaser said:
I'd trade a LCol for my entire Sqn being able to fire PWT2 as part of IBTS this year, but hey, budget cuts have to hit everyone including our ammo.

I thought you were here where I am?  Apparently not though as we have enough allocation for all of our Sqns to fire PWT2.
 
ArmyVern said:
I thought you were here where I am?  Apparently not though as we have enough allocation for all of our Sqns to fire PWT2.

Very close, most of my unit is in the same veh compound.
 
PPCLI Guy said:
Not true.  We (the Army) turn in shed-loads of Small Arms Ammo every single year, and there is enough o+M to shoot.  If you are in a Reserve unit, you are funded for pay to do PWT.  There is NO reason for you not to be on the range.  If you are being told no, someone isn't doing their job.

We've been told to get to level two live minimum and look to do level three. Bde Comd said he'd get us the bullets.
 
PWT What now? Just kidding. I have stepped so far back from Army issues this past summer that I feel completely out of touch. Seriously, I just found out we got a new minister DND?

I wonder what would have happened if Former general Leslie's recommendations were taken seriously and we reduced HQ as much as possible. Would the field force be suffering as much now?

Oh well, time to get the troops out selling cookies so we can raise training money.
 
ArmyRick said:
PWT What now? Just kidding. I have stepped so far back from Army issues this past summer that I feel completely out of touch. Seriously, I just found out we got a new minister DND?

I wonder what would have happened if Former general Leslie's recommendations were taken seriously and we reduced HQ as much as possible. Would the field force be suffering as much now?

Oh well, time to get the troops out selling cookies so we can raise training money.


Cuts, even big cuts to HQs take some time to "flow through" the system. And there are other problems: you can, easily harmlessly in my opinion, cut 35 generals and colonels but you do not get an infantry platoon in return, not very soon, anyway. While the "savings" are being massaged by the personnel people you can, also, be sure that the empire builders in Ottawa ~ the displaced generals and colonels ~  are not sitting idle: they are designing new HQs or staff branches to provide themselves with continued employment.

The Brits used to have a system in which officers who were redundant were sent on (paid) leave, we used to call it gardening leave, specifically to prevent them from hanging about the HQ looking for "work" which could be used to bring them back on the establishment. ("Gardening leave" had other, more useful, functions, but it was recognized that when a HQ or staff branch was disbanded it was important to reassign people to real vacant positions and, as quickly (and fairly) as possible, get rid of the rest.)
 
E.R. Campbell said:
The Brits used to have a system in which officers who were redundant were sent on (paid) leave, we used to call it gardening leave, specifically to prevent them from hanging about the HQ looking for "work" which could be used to bring them back on the establishment.

We still have that.  We call it the ATL.
 
I actually had two months of gardening leave when I was in the UK - very civilized....
 
Review targets public service executives
KATHRYN MAY
OTTAWA CITIZEN
12  January 2014

OTTAWA — The Conservative government is planning a review of the work of the nearly 7,000 executives in Canada’s public service that could change the structure of the senior ranks and affect their total compensation.

Treasury Board offered no details on the two-part review that executives say is in the works, but the government is hiring consultants to come up with proposals to “modernize” the way executives are organized and classified in the public service.

Classification and job evaluation are directly linked to how jobs are organized and employees are compensated and a request for proposal issued by Treasury Board suggests the review could have a major impact on the entire public service.

“The proposed solution for job evaluation for the EX Group has the potential to significantly impact senior management structures and positions in the (core public service) and will likely influence other federal public service job evaluation methodologies, systems and tools. It may also lead to recommendations regarding total compensation of executives,” said the request.

The Conservatives have long felt the public service is top-heavy with too many executives. The executive cadre grew twice the pace of the public service and ballooned nearly 70 per cent after the numbers bottomed out during the Liberals downsizing in the 1990s.

Some speculate whether the review could resurrect previous proposals to de-layer and collapse the five levels of executives into three. There are now five levels of executives from EX 1, entry level, to Ex 5, a senior assistant deputy minister.

“There has been a huge growth in all levels and in a federal department today … there are more layers of executives between the working level and the deputy minister than ever before and lot of that has happened in the past six years, said David Zussman, the Jarislowsky Chair on Management in the Public Sector at the University of Ottawa.

Andrew Graham, a professor at Queen’s University and former president of the Association of Professional Executives of the Public Service of Canada (APEX), said options discussed in the past included merging EX 4s and EX 5s, as well as EX 2 and 3s, and leaving the EX 1 group. Another called for collapsing Ex 1 and 2 in one group, EX 3 and 4 in another and leaving EX 5.

Treasury Board has been promising classification and job evaluation reform since the colossal failure of the Universal Classification Standard in 2003 when Treasury Board abandoned the scheme after spending years and millions of dollars.

A decade later, new standards have been introduced for only about 10 per cent of the public service, such as economists, border guards and foreign service officers. Many are still working in jobs with standards that predate computers and mobile phones. The classification and evaluation methodology or executives was last updated in the 1990s.

David Orfald of the Public Service Alliance of Canada said it seems unfair that executives are jumping the queue when many jobs are still classified using much older standards.


“It looks to me like they are fast-tracking executives and taking care of themselves before the other groups. Their current methodology has been in place since the 1990s while among the other groups, the vast majority go back to 1967 or 1972.”

The Conservatives signalled in the last budget that all human resource management practices are the table for review. Similarly, the blue-chip advisory committee on the public service that has the ear of Prime Minister Stephen Harper called for a new “employment model” to replace a 40-year-old labour relations regime, job classification system and pay and benefits scheme that were built in an “industrial era” when public servants largely performed “standardized repetitive work.”

The nature of work has changed dramatically since then. The public service is now dominated by university-educated knowledge workers who need tools to work and manage in the digital age.

The growth of executives was driven by a variety of factors. The jobs of public servants, along with the policy and management issues they wrestle with, are more complicated. Changing technology, the push for transparency, 24-hour media scrutiny, a growing posse of parliamentary watchdogs and the reforms of the Federal Accountability Act have all added layers to the cost and management of public servants.

But Graham said the review could be a piece of the government’s plan for executives. He argued executives have been awaiting direction since the government mothballed the Stephenson committee, which advised Treasury Board on how to retain, manage and pay executives.

The advisory committee was created in the late 1990s after the Liberals’ downsizing and a six-year wage freeze created such a gap between the private and public sectors that the government feared an unprecedented flight of top talent for better-paying jobs. That mass exodus never materialized.

For years, the committee’s main strategy for keeping and attracting executives was to ensure entry level executives or EX 1s were paid similar to those in the private sector. It recognized the government couldn’t match the rich compensation packages of private sector executives so it recommended eliminating the gap at the entry level and banked that once public servants were on the management track that they would stay.

Treasury Board President Tony Clement has said he is re-evaluating the advisory committee’s mandate and wants more focus on “constraining costs” than retaining executives.

Graham said Clement could want a smaller executive cadre, which could mean moving junior executives to a new senior middle management or supervisory management group. Former Ontario Premier Mike Harris adopted this model when he “took control of the executive,” slashing the number of executives, and jacking up their pay with record increases, said Graham.

A new senior management group, however, would lead to showdown with unions because employees outside the executive ranks are largely unionized and the government would likely want senior manages excluded from collective bargaining.


Graham said there’s long been a sense that the EX-1 group was too big and content of the job watered down over the years so it was no longer a real executive position. He said some argue promotions into management became a “retention tool” to keep professionals when they reached the top of their pay scale.

Along with the nature of work, Graham said executives are facing a change in their traditional role as the top policy advisers to government. Today, they are among many sources of policy advice for the government which he said needs a mix of talent, including “policy managers” who can assess all advice and implement whatever the government decides to do.

The government has been using since the 1990s the Hay plan or methodology, which also allows comparisons to the private sector. By 2000, KPMG was hired to examine whether the Hay method suited the needs of the public service. KPMG concluded the Hay method met all the requirements except for neutrality and flexibility but was still the best-suited. One of KPMG’s recommendations was to reduce the number of executive levels to three.

In its request for proposal, the government asked consultants for a sweeping review of evaluation methodologies in other government agencies, as well as those used by provinces, crown corporations, some private sector and not-for-profit organizations and public sector organizations in Britain, the United States, Australia and two other Commonwealth countries.

It also wants a review of all the off-the-shelf software used by large employers with more than 10,000 employees. The consultants final report and proposal is expected later this year.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/entertainment/Review+targets+public+service+executives/9378474/story.html

A review of the PS executive organization could have positive impacts to reducing excess DND overhead, and lead to a review of CF staff HQ hirearchy.
 
That sounds more like they'll merge EX levels in the classifications then actually get rid of anyone, although with DRT now would be the time to do it.

Getting rid of or totally overhauling the EX performance bonus would be good as well; they are generally based on artificial targets (did you spend between x and y% of a budget) vice real performance.  Seeing as we don't make widgets, you can end up with a lot of stupid decisions driven by the EXs wanting to keep their bonuses.  For example, you can have significant issues pop up near the end of the FY, and short fuse travel won't be approved because it'll push them past their target, even though the real impact could be on a multimillion dollar project being delayed, possibly with very significant costs (in a different line item or department).
 
Further compression of the five EX levels would be counterproductive.  An ADM is not an ADM; a DM is not a DM; there are huge differences in responsibility.

Compression to, say, three EX levels would just move a lot of marginal positions up in pay to the next higher level.
 
Funny how the article does not mention the massive failure of Universal Classification System (UCS) by name or even appears to mention it. My department shed a couple of EX's early last year and several regional manager positions. EX levels are also tied to personal numbers as well.
 
Colin P said:
Funny how the article does not mention the massive failure of Universal Classification System (UCS) by name or even appears to mention it. My department shed a couple of EX's early last year and several regional manager positions. EX levels are also tied to personal numbers as well.

Umm, like where it talks about "since the colossal failure of the Universal Classification Standard in 2003 when Treasury Board abandoned the scheme after spending years and millions of dollars."


EX numbers have grown out of pace with the growth of government; culling the herd will be healthy. 

The current classifications are badly out of whack; I know of at least one GOFO who left DND as an ADM-equivalent who got hired on at another department as a public servant.  In his new job, a step below the ADM, his pay has increased (and he's also drawing his CF pension on top of that).  Methinks a realignment is due.

 
I plead not enough  beers before posting........ :facepalm:

Maybe my PTSD blanked out that phrase so would not have to relive the memories of writing 12 page job descriptions...... ;D
 
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