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jwtg said:EDIT: Changed my mind. Not worth the debate.
Good choice.
jwtg said:EDIT: Changed my mind. Not worth the debate.
jwtg said:Yeah...when someone's profile is worth more than the content of their posts, there isn't much hope for a guy like me debating a CWO.
Nevermind that his words are dictionary-definition of condescending.
Sure, most people who have trouble probably fit into the category he described, and it is hard to feel sorry for them.
Next time I see someone who has a hard time staying in shape despite their best efforts (and yes, there are people who are not naturally inclined to physical fitness) busting their ass to pass the EXPRES test, I won't rub it in their faces that I think the minimum standards are easy to attain.
I'll congratulate them on working harder than I ever have to just to meet those minimum standards- I'll leave the condescending remarks about their ease to guys like Haggis.
Yeah, you baited me and I bit. I'm sure the condescending responses are incoming.
jwtg said:Yeah...when someone's profile is worth more than the content of their posts, there isn't much hope for a guy like me debating a CWO.
Nevermind that his words are dictionary-definition of condescending.
Sure, most people who have trouble probably fit into the category he described, and it is hard to feel sorry for them.
Next time I see someone who has a hard time staying in shape despite their best efforts (and yes, there are people who are not naturally inclined to physical fitness) busting their ass to pass the EXPRES test, I won't rub it in their faces that I think the minimum standards are easy to attain.
I'll congratulate them on working harder than I ever have to just to meet those minimum standards- I'll leave the condescending remarks about their ease to guys like Haggis.
Yeah, you baited me and I bit. I'm sure the condescending responses are incoming.
PMedMoe said:The BFT is another matter for me. It's difficult no matter what shape I'm in. :-\
PMedMoe said:Okay. Normally I stay out of these PT threads but I have to reply. There probably are some people who struggle with PT tests, even the "minimum" standard of the CF ExPres test. Personally, I struggle with the BFT and it matters not what kind of shape I am in. The ExPres test, I have to say, is not difficult (at least for a female of my age, as I keep being reminded :). I haven't done serious PT for almost three years and still got an exempt on the ExPres. The BFT is another matter for me. It's difficult no matter what shape I'm in. :-\
Backs: 1, Forwards: 0! I assume you must have been a forward, based on your description of yourself.Pusser said:...The problem is that the Expres Test is best suited for long-legged track stars. Us short-legged rugby players have real difficulty with it...
I even had one subordinate who had already achieved exempt on the run, yet because of a slight adjustment of his hand position during the push-ups, he failed the whole test! Why could he not have simply started the push-ups again?
jwtg said:This I agree with wholeheartedly. I understand having to pass the test by meeting its requirements, and how allowing a liberal interpretation of the test standards could be problematic. Someone adjusting their hands, tripping over a shoelace, or <insert possible fluke here> is very different than someone who is not capable of completing the fitness test. Testers being allowed to exercise discretion would be a nice touch.
Chief Stoker said:There was suppose to be navy specific test developed sort of like the BFT, I wondered what ever happened to it?
Chief Stoker said:Some testers do exercise a little discreation, while others are very rigid. We had had a problem in the past with one of the PSP staff in Halifax especially in regards enforcement of the standards of pushups, some body types do not bode well with the exact standard and they fail because of it. If they had a different staff mbr who showed a little discreation and the mbr still did a decent pushup they would pass.
Occam said:Boat races? ;D
Watching very carefully to see who catches the reference...
Pusser said:The problem is that the Expres Test is best suited for long-legged track stars. Us short-legged rugby players have real difficulty with it. I simply cannot move fast enough to get to the exempt level on the shuttle run. I can carry weights big enough to crush the average marathoner for long distances, but I can't keep up with him at speed.
Pusser said:I even had one subordinate who had already achieved exempt on the run, yet because of a slight adjustment of his hand position during the push-ups, he failed the whole test!
PuckChaser said:Short and small rugby player should be able to do well on the Shuttle run as well. A lot of the test at the higher end is how fast you can stop and accelerate. Long-legged individuals such as myself take a couple strides to get up to speed, and even though we need less strides to get to the line we're not going as fast and may miss the time. A member of the forums here has a breakdown of the shuttles: http://canadianmilitaryandefence.blogspot.com/2011/01/20-meter-shuttle-run-20msr-breakdown.html Stage 7 is where you start moving below a 5 min/KM in speed, which is a pretty attainable standard to achieve. If you can run 5 km in 25 minutes, you should be able to get exempt on the shuttle run.
PuckChaser said:Definitely didn't mean to single you out as the rugby player type, just seemed like an appropriate quote to jump in with.
I've seen Veh Mechs exempt the Expres with just the hand grip, so the standards can be broken with strength training in certain areas. I'm with you on the BFT aspect, I hate the Expres but actually enjoy doing the BFT. I'm a fairly skinny individual, but with 50lb pack and my FFO I can ruck up and go for days.