Cenotaph/Memorial Vandalism/Solutions-Laws (merged)
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George Wallace
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ModlrMike said:
I think that rings true in Florida also. ;D
George Wallace
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Let's face it. A few "Racist" fanatics have managed to gain positions of influence and are souring the whole nation's views of their province. Each of these 'stupid' acts they take alienates many within their own province, but furthers their alienation by the ROC. They are creating a society that feels downtrodden, and has developed a 'sense of entitlement'. They feel that they are the underdogs and that their time has come to be the 'Oppressor' rather than the 'peon'.
I know that on my two trips to Cuba, (a place very popular with Quebec tourists), the locals often mentioned to me that they did not appreciate a lot of the attitudes the Quebecers brought with them. I frequently heard complaints that there was no signage in French, and that the staff did not speak French, and that just like back home, everything is in English. (they neglected apparently the spanish everywhere).
I've noted that generally that as a culture, Quebecers are very communal, and they do tend to stick together and propogate a sort of morality and values that must be applied against all or else mass shunning commences. In Cuba, the folks from quebec were always the loudest, and even if they didn't know one another before stepping on the plane, they all supported one anothers actions much more than the other guests who tended to stay in the loose groups they came with.
I should state that Im a fluently bilingual quebecer, and I sympathize with trying to protect Quebec culture. It certainly is distinct, at least from what I experienced growing up in Ottawa/Ontario. But oppressing it on others, or retaliating by marking up honours to our veterans I do not agree with.
I've noted that generally that as a culture, Quebecers are very communal, and they do tend to stick together and propogate a sort of morality and values that must be applied against all or else mass shunning commences. In Cuba, the folks from quebec were always the loudest, and even if they didn't know one another before stepping on the plane, they all supported one anothers actions much more than the other guests who tended to stay in the loose groups they came with.
I should state that Im a fluently bilingual quebecer, and I sympathize with trying to protect Quebec culture. It certainly is distinct, at least from what I experienced growing up in Ottawa/Ontario. But oppressing it on others, or retaliating by marking up honours to our veterans I do not agree with.
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Cenotaphs have been vandalized in other provinces.
Wether by graffiti or some other anti establishment slogan, the attack on the cenotaph is what I consider key.
The FLQ comment is bessides the point... dumb / ignorant students who didn't have any other catchy quip that can raise everyone's attention in one swipe of the paint brush
Wether by graffiti or some other anti establishment slogan, the attack on the cenotaph is what I consider key.
The FLQ comment is bessides the point... dumb / ignorant students who didn't have any other catchy quip that can raise everyone's attention in one swipe of the paint brush
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geo said:
That would be a great excuse for an antisemite spray painting swastikas on synagogues or Jewish schools - "I am just dumb and ignorant, just trying to get some attention with a swipe of a brush"!
You give them too much leeway I think. Sure the FLQ is dead, but the hate isn't.
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Port Alberni war grave markers destroyed
Updated: Tue Apr. 14 2009 16:35:49
ctvbc.ca
Vandals have kicked to pieces 20 grave markers belonging to war dead and veterans at a Port Alberni, B.C., cemetery. The violence has devastated local veterans and their families.
Margaret Groeneveld, a service officer at the Royal Canadian Legion, said her father is buried in the cemetery. Although his gravesite was undamaged, she became emotional as she described the impact the broken crosses would have.
"I think it's terrible for the legion members. It's a horrendous thing to do, to have their place of rest defaced in this way," she said. "The vets defended our freedom and rights all over the world and it's on a day where another died in Afghanistan."
The Field of Honour section of the Greenwood Cemetery is the final resting place for approximately 500 soldiers who had fought in the First and Second World Wars, the Korean War and the Vietnam War. The section is marked by a cenotaph, with each grave marked by a melamine cross and a name plate of the deceased veteran.
The markers were discovered destroyed on Monday, reducing some visiting veterans to tears as they surveyed the damage.
Groeneveld believes the attack was the work of young people "with nothing better to do and no respect," who go into the cemetery at night to drink and loiter.
"I just don't know what kind of enjoyment they get out of it," she said.
The Field of Honour was established as a place for veterans of armed conflicts from the Alberni Valley to be honoured and buried.
Sgt. Lee Omilusik of the Port Alberni RCMP said the damaged crosses were beyond repair. There was no damage to any other part of the cemetery, he said.
He called the attack "ludicrous."
"It's detrimental to what we do every year on Remembrance Day. The members who took the call were pretty upset that someone would do this," he said.
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090414/BC_veteran_grave_vandalized_090414/20090414?hub=BritishColumbia
Updated: Tue Apr. 14 2009 16:35:49
ctvbc.ca
Vandals have kicked to pieces 20 grave markers belonging to war dead and veterans at a Port Alberni, B.C., cemetery. The violence has devastated local veterans and their families.
Margaret Groeneveld, a service officer at the Royal Canadian Legion, said her father is buried in the cemetery. Although his gravesite was undamaged, she became emotional as she described the impact the broken crosses would have.
"I think it's terrible for the legion members. It's a horrendous thing to do, to have their place of rest defaced in this way," she said. "The vets defended our freedom and rights all over the world and it's on a day where another died in Afghanistan."
The Field of Honour section of the Greenwood Cemetery is the final resting place for approximately 500 soldiers who had fought in the First and Second World Wars, the Korean War and the Vietnam War. The section is marked by a cenotaph, with each grave marked by a melamine cross and a name plate of the deceased veteran.
The markers were discovered destroyed on Monday, reducing some visiting veterans to tears as they surveyed the damage.
Groeneveld believes the attack was the work of young people "with nothing better to do and no respect," who go into the cemetery at night to drink and loiter.
"I just don't know what kind of enjoyment they get out of it," she said.
The Field of Honour was established as a place for veterans of armed conflicts from the Alberni Valley to be honoured and buried.
Sgt. Lee Omilusik of the Port Alberni RCMP said the damaged crosses were beyond repair. There was no damage to any other part of the cemetery, he said.
He called the attack "ludicrous."
"It's detrimental to what we do every year on Remembrance Day. The members who took the call were pretty upset that someone would do this," he said.
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090414/BC_veteran_grave_vandalized_090414/20090414?hub=BritishColumbia
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I would suggest fitting punishments to be a few hundred hours community service tending the cemetery, and having to take a course in Canadian Military History at a local community college. Assignments could include researching the service of those soldiers whose stones were destroyed. Probation to be extended until the course is passed at own expense.
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And to spend time with the vets of the area.
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mariomike said:
It would first have to be established that is qualifies as a hate crime.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/hatecrimes/
More at link.
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I read about this on friday. Just disgusting,
The punishment mentioned above sounds completely fitting. I like the idea of creative justice like that. I grew up in an area with a large native community, and they practiced what they called restorative justice. I think for crimes like this, it's a good model to follow. Definitely more effective than fines and confinement.
I hope the gravesites can be accurately restored.
The punishment mentioned above sounds completely fitting. I like the idea of creative justice like that. I grew up in an area with a large native community, and they practiced what they called restorative justice. I think for crimes like this, it's a good model to follow. Definitely more effective than fines and confinement.
I hope the gravesites can be accurately restored.
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It sure is.
I know NB usually has religion as a large part of any remembrance ceremony.Let's hope these people are found and charged for disrupting a religious ceremony among other things.
However they won't.And if the did get caught they would get bugger all.
I know NB usually has religion as a large part of any remembrance ceremony.Let's hope these people are found and charged for disrupting a religious ceremony among other things.
However they won't.And if the did get caught they would get bugger all.
Eye In The Sky
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I'll replace profane words with the letter X in my post.
I X'n wish I could X'n get my X'n hands on the X'n X'n X'n X X Xers who did this.
There. I feel kinda better.
X'n cowards.
I X'n wish I could X'n get my X'n hands on the X'n X'n X'n X X Xers who did this.
There. I feel kinda better.
X'n cowards.
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