CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
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Weinie said:
Weenie, not disputing that. The point I am making is that some circles are looking to blame or finger point to cover their own inadequacies in the face of this. Likely why Dr. Fauci’s name being dragged into it. Everyone can blame China and should. But China didn’t make all the decisions that have led to the US to where it is right now.
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>Trump isn’t at fault for COVID 19. His response to it though is.
Duh. Every person and agency which has had a hand in "responding" is responsible for its part.
Duh. Every person and agency which has had a hand in "responding" is responsible for its part.
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>Just saying!
Saying what? That for every crisis, we can look back and with hindsight determine which of the prognosticators and advisors were more correct, and which were less so? And then pretend that "if only" we'd listened to the correct ones, each day (none of whom we knew at the time were correct, and not necessarily the same people each day) as forecasts and circumstances changed, ignoring all the pressure from people who didn't want whatever the administration happened to be proposing on any given day, everything would have turned out peachy?
Trump's worthless when he stands up and does his rambling spiel each day, but it's pathetic that people try to get out from under their mistakes by using Trump as a scapegoat, and even more pathetic that other people try to help them.
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"On the January 30 call, Azar "was blunt, warning that the virus could develop into a pandemic and arguing that China should be criticized for failing to be transparent."
And how does the NYT/CNN/MSNBC/Atlantic echo chamber feel about criticizing the Chinese now? Apparently it has to be done very gently, if at all. What a bunch of lackwits.
Saying what? That for every crisis, we can look back and with hindsight determine which of the prognosticators and advisors were more correct, and which were less so? And then pretend that "if only" we'd listened to the correct ones, each day (none of whom we knew at the time were correct, and not necessarily the same people each day) as forecasts and circumstances changed, ignoring all the pressure from people who didn't want whatever the administration happened to be proposing on any given day, everything would have turned out peachy?
Trump's worthless when he stands up and does his rambling spiel each day, but it's pathetic that people try to get out from under their mistakes by using Trump as a scapegoat, and even more pathetic that other people try to help them.
Example:
"On the January 30 call, Azar "was blunt, warning that the virus could develop into a pandemic and arguing that China should be criticized for failing to be transparent."
And how does the NYT/CNN/MSNBC/Atlantic echo chamber feel about criticizing the Chinese now? Apparently it has to be done very gently, if at all. What a bunch of lackwits.
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Brad Sallows said:
Unfortunately many care more about money then morals, too few are willing to stand up to China, even fewer have brand power that people listen to. China has their net cast wide, the reach many parts of society with their reach and can influence according. Few countries are willing to stand upto China.
MilEME09 said:
Yes, and the number one country that has stepped back from standing up is the US.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/trump-coronavirus-china/index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-concerned-china-covering-full-extent-coronavirus-outbreak/story?id=68824019
https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/world-news/xi-jinping-doing-a-good-job-tackling-coronavirus-says-donald-trump/videoshow/74202487.cms
When he started to actually blame China, is when things started getting out of control in the US. But he quickly shifted to the WHO when that failed. He isn’t talking about China that much lately. In fact he’s shifted the blame so much it’s hard to keep up.
One only needs to look at how many countries have asked for and received help from the US?
How many countries and allies have been hindered at getting what they need by the US?
The US has turned inward with its isolationism. Now it is the epicentre of the pandemic, and China is more than happy to step up to replace the US on the world scene.
No one is going to really stand up to China while it goes out and does what the US won’t.
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[quote author=Remius]
The US has turned inward with its isolationism. Now it is the epicentre of the pandemic, and China is more than happy to step up to replace the US on the world scene.
No one is going to really stand up to China while it goes out and does what the US won’t.
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Are you suggesting this could have been intentional? Sacrifice 3,339 out of 1,439,323,776 for the greater good of China and to cement their position of domination?
The US has turned inward with its isolationism. Now it is the epicentre of the pandemic, and China is more than happy to step up to replace the US on the world scene.
No one is going to really stand up to China while it goes out and does what the US won’t.
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Are you suggesting this could have been intentional? Sacrifice 3,339 out of 1,439,323,776 for the greater good of China and to cement their position of domination?
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So they're advocating for...… SOCIALISM?! Damn you Bernie; what have you done?!OceanBonfire said:
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UK spy agencies urge China rethink once Covid-19 crisis is over
MI6 and MI5 expect Beijing to be more assertive and want government to consider tighter control of strategic industries
Britain’s intelligence community believes the UK needs to reassess its relationship with China after the coronavirus crisis subsides and consider if tighter controls are needed over high-tech and other strategic industries.
They reckon China will become more assertive in defending its one-party model as having successfully tackled the pandemic and that Boris Johnson and other ministers will have to take a “realistic view” and consider how the UK responds.
Issues being aired are whether the UK wants to restrict takeovers of key companies in high-tech areas such as digital communications and artificial intelligence, and whether it should reduce Chinese students’ access to research at universities and elsewhere.
But MI6, the foreign intelligence service, and MI5, its domestic equivalent, still believe it was correct to allow Huawei access to Britain’s 5G network, capped at 35% – a decision made by Johnson in January – although the new emphasis on China may make that decision increasingly hard to defend as Conservative rebels press for a rethink.
A Whitehall source said the UK needs to ensure diversity of supply “in 6G and 7G” and, more broadly, to protect “the crown jewels” of technology, research and innovation.
MI6 is also understood to have told ministers that China was significantly under-reporting the number of coronavirus cases and deaths in January and February, echoing similar briefings given by the CIA to the White House.
Intelligence agencies have been urging a greater emphasis on Chinese activity for months, and the announcement of Ken McCallum as the new director general of MI5 at the end of last month was accompanied by a promise that the organisation would focus more clearly on Beijing.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/uk-spy-agencies-urge-china-rethink-once-covid-19-crisis-is-over
MI6 and MI5 expect Beijing to be more assertive and want government to consider tighter control of strategic industries
Britain’s intelligence community believes the UK needs to reassess its relationship with China after the coronavirus crisis subsides and consider if tighter controls are needed over high-tech and other strategic industries.
They reckon China will become more assertive in defending its one-party model as having successfully tackled the pandemic and that Boris Johnson and other ministers will have to take a “realistic view” and consider how the UK responds.
Issues being aired are whether the UK wants to restrict takeovers of key companies in high-tech areas such as digital communications and artificial intelligence, and whether it should reduce Chinese students’ access to research at universities and elsewhere.
But MI6, the foreign intelligence service, and MI5, its domestic equivalent, still believe it was correct to allow Huawei access to Britain’s 5G network, capped at 35% – a decision made by Johnson in January – although the new emphasis on China may make that decision increasingly hard to defend as Conservative rebels press for a rethink.
A Whitehall source said the UK needs to ensure diversity of supply “in 6G and 7G” and, more broadly, to protect “the crown jewels” of technology, research and innovation.
MI6 is also understood to have told ministers that China was significantly under-reporting the number of coronavirus cases and deaths in January and February, echoing similar briefings given by the CIA to the White House.
Intelligence agencies have been urging a greater emphasis on Chinese activity for months, and the announcement of Ken McCallum as the new director general of MI5 at the end of last month was accompanied by a promise that the organisation would focus more clearly on Beijing.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/uk-spy-agencies-urge-china-rethink-once-covid-19-crisis-is-over
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Target Up said:
Yeah but that wouldn't give the same confirmation bias.
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Jarnhamar said:
How many people would jump off a ledge having to admit that both NA leaders had the same info at the same time and only Mr. Trump actually took SOME action by banning flights from China?
Jarnhamar said:
Pollievre's being silly. He knows damned well they aren't going to talk about the use or dissemination of classified intelligence in question period; this is just theatrics. You screw around with FVEY stuff, Canada potentially loses access to FVEY stuff and you go to jail. There's no way the government is going to even hint in any open forum as to what it did or didn't get access to if they can possibly avoid it.
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He's trying to establish the government was warned in January that COVID-19 was a threat, based on a report that was already confirmed to exist by DND.Brihard said:
Yeah, it's theatrics. Since when has QP been anything but theatrics? I haven't heard a question actually answered during QP ever.
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PuckChaser said:
That was my take on it too. Brihard has a good point about the FVEY but does the the warning from our own CAF to the government fall under FVEY stuff?
She answered but didn't answer. Theatrics for sure. I think that's my first time seeing Freeland live. She kinda seemed likeable and down to earth there.
With the government handing out money I suspect people care even less about how preventable this was or how unprepared we were.
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PuckChaser said:
Plenty of questions get answered. But rarely the ones that were asked...
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