CDN/US Covid-related political discussion

[kkwd]

Counties that voted Trump have materially lower rates of vaccination, and materially higher rates of death.

Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame

An analysis by NPR shows that since the vaccine rollout, counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump have had more than twice the COVID mortality rates of those that voted for Joe Biden.

www.npr.org

Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame​

That is a grand conclusion to come to with a random phone survey involving 1,519 people.

 

[dimsum]

random phone survey involving 1,519 people.

Where did that come from? I didn't see it in the article.

 

[kkwd]

Where did that come from? I didn't see it in the article.

No, they wouldn't want to put that in there, you have to read deeper and follow links to the survey site. I followed 2 links to get there.
KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor: Media and Misinformation

 

[Remius]

No, they wouldn't want to put that in there, you have to read deeper and follow links to the survey site. I followed 2 links to get there.
KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor: Media and Misinformation

What was the issue with the methodology used in that case?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Phone surveys are dated and fail to hit the people without landlines.

 

[Remius]

Phone surveys are dated and fail to hit the people without landlines.

This one did.

Sample size that is properly weighted covers that though.

Here is the methodology used and accounted for non landline users.

https://files.kff.org/attachment/TOPLINE-KFF-COVID-19-Vaccine-Monitor-October-2021.pdf

It looks like a fairly robust methodology they used.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

If only folks even came close to telling the truth on phone surveys......they are just another source of fun for some folk. Me included.....

 

[Remius]

If only folks even came close to telling the truth on phone surveys......they are just another source of fun for some folk. Me included.....

That’s what the margin of error is for. They account for you.

Still does not answer what exactly was wrong with the methodology used in that survey. I’m asking from a point of curiosity.

 

[mariomike]

Still does not answer what exactly was wrong with the methodology used in that survey.

Counties that voted Trump have materially lower rates of vaccination, and materially higher rates of death.

Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame

An analysis by NPR shows that since the vaccine rollout, counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump have had more than twice the COVID mortality rates of those that voted for Joe Biden.

www.npr.org

National Public Radio (NPR)

Methodology

Vaccination rate data are the rate of vaccination among all people 18 years of age or older, as of Nov. 30. They are from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 residents are calculated by dividing the deaths from COVID-19 in a county since May 1 by the county's population. County population data come from the U.S. Census Bureau's 2020 decennial census. May 1 was chosen as the start date of our analysis because that is roughly the time when vaccines became universally available to adults ages 18 and older. COVID-19 death data is collected by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University and is current as of Nov. 30.

2020 election result data are from MIT Election Data and Science Lab.

Alaska does not report election results by county-equivalent area, so it is excluded from the analysis. Nebraska is excluded from the analysis because does not report county-level COVID-19 statistics. Hawaii is excluded because it does not report county-level vaccine data. Some counties that have reported no COVID-19 deaths since May 1 may have stopped reporting. These counties generally have very small populations and have a negligible impact on the weighted averages. Erring on the side of caution, we include all data unless it is known that they are in error.

All averages are weighted by county population. The overall average represents the average of the 3,011 counties included in the analysis.

Emily Gurley, Professor of the Practice and Emily Pond, Research Data Analyst, both of Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health helped review our methodology.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

That’s what the margin of error is for. They account for you.

Still does not answer what exactly was wrong with the methodology used in that survey. I’m asking from a point of curiosity.

10 out 10 pollsters agree telephone surveys are accurate. At least that what they tell their customers for pay for them.

 

[Altair]

10 out 10 pollsters agree telephone surveys are accurate. At least that what they tell their customers for pay for them.

Oddly enough, most pollsters are within the margin of error when it comes to election results.

Must be a coincidence.

 

[brihard]

You guys are focusing hard on the misinformation part, but seem to be skipping by the fact that county voting results and local COVID cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are all easily tabulated public data.

For a host of reasons, it’s very easy to see logic in an assertion that areas that voted more heavily republican correlate with higher rates of COVID deaths and hospitalizations. There’s a heavy partisan political element to vaccination rates, non-pharmaceutical interventions, public health restrictions, etc. One cannot reasonably expect that to not show up in the data when individual health outcomes are linked to vaccination and public policy.

 

[OceanBonfire]

A Navy official told USNI News that Kins was relieved for refusing to receive both a COVID-19 vaccine and COVID-19 testing.

Navy Relieves Destroyer XO For 'Failing to Abide By Lawful Order' - USNI News

The Navy has relieved the executive officer of one of its Arleigh Burke-class destroyers for “failing to abide by lawful order,” a Navy spokesman confirmed to USNI News. The service on Friday relieved Cmdr. Lucian Kins, the executive officer of USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81), Naval Surface...

news.usni.org

 

[OceanBonfire]

First ones discharged:

Air Force discharges 27 for refusal to get COVID vaccine

The Air Force has discharged 27 people for refusing to get the COVID-19 vaccine, making them what officials believe are the first service members to be removed for disobeying the mandate to get the shots.

apnews.com

U.S. Air Force removes 27 service members for refusing COVID-19 vaccine

The U.S. Air Force on Monday said 27 service members had been discharged for refusing to receive a COVID-19 vaccine, the first active-duty troops believed to have been removed for declining the vaccine.

www.reuters.com

 

[daftandbarmy]

First ones discharged:

Air Force discharges 27 for refusal to get COVID vaccine

The Air Force has discharged 27 people for refusing to get the COVID-19 vaccine, making them what officials believe are the first service members to be removed for disobeying the mandate to get the shots.

apnews.com

U.S. Air Force removes 27 service members for refusing COVID-19 vaccine

The U.S. Air Force on Monday said 27 service members had been discharged for refusing to receive a COVID-19 vaccine, the first active-duty troops believed to have been removed for declining the vaccine.

www.reuters.com

 

[OceanBonfire]

US Navy's turn:

Navy to Begin Processing Separation for Sailors Refusing COVID-19 Vaccination - USNI News

The Navy can now begin to separate active-duty sailors who refuse to be vaccinated against COVID-19, according to Navy guidance released Wednesday. Active-duty sailors who refused to get the vaccine were set to be separated if they continued to refuse, according to previous guidance, but...

news.usni.org

The Navy needs about six months to separate unvaccinated sailors; here’s what they can expect

More than 900 sailors have become vaccinated since Nov. 14, the deadline for active duty sailors to receive their final COVID-19 vaccine shot.

www.militarytimes.com

 

[OceanBonfire]

US Army:

Army vax deadline: 2 battalion commanders relieved, discharges begin January, 98% comply

Only four active duty soldiers have received permanent medical exemptions to date.

www.militarytimes.com

 

[OceanBonfire]

The video is just one example of many similar compilations circulating on the internet that use deceptive tactics to link vaccines to a supposed wave of deaths and illness among the healthiest people, often athletes, a claim for which medical experts say there is no supporting evidence.

Deceptive videos used to link athlete deaths to COVID shots

Jake West was a seemingly healthy 17-year-old before he collapsed during football practice and died of sudden cardiac arrest.

apnews.com

 

[OceanBonfire]

This is too funny:

Trump reveals he got COVID-19 booster shot; crowd boos him

NEW YORK (AP) — Former President Donald Trump revealed he received a booster shot of the COVID-19 vaccine, drawing boos from a crowd in Dallas.

apnews.com

 

[RangerRay]

Jesus H Christ…