CDN/US Covid-related political discussion

[The Bread Guy]

Who knew that us old, white guys were so healthy. We seem to be the only people that don't need the shots.

If the paper has it right, it doesn’t say healthier “generic Canadians” don’t need shots, just that they don’t need as many.

Since this stuff tends to be based on actuarial type data of big groups, I’d bet money that at least some of the groups mentioned are, as a group, likelier to be in worse shape. I stand to be corrected by health professionals or statisticians telling me how, say, Indigenous folks are actually healthier and less vulnerable as a group, though.

On all sides, individuals will widely vary, so I’m also guessing docs/nurse practitioners/PAs seeing real people would be able to recommend more or less boosting based on what they see, no?

 

[Kirkhill]

If the paper has it right, it doesn’t say healthier “generic Canadians” don’t need shots, just that they don’t need as many.

Since this stuff tends to be based on actuarial type data of big groups, I’d bet money that at least some of the groups mentioned are, as a group, likelier to be in worse shape. I stand to be corrected by health professionals or statisticians telling me how, say, Indigenous folks are actually healthier and less vulnerable as a group, though.

On all sides, individuals will widely vary, so I’m also guessing docs/nurse practitioners/PAs seeing real people would be able to recommend more or less boosting based on what they see, no?

You are probably right. So why not just leave the advisory at the level of "contact your doctor or pharmacist for advice"?

 

[lenaitch]

Who knew that us old, white guys were so healthy. We seem to be the only people that don't need the shots.

Not so much as "healthy" as less un-healthy than others.

I'm in the 65+ group and now just treat it like the flu shot. I was thinking I was eligible for the RSV vaccine but was told by public health that I was not in the vulnerable group. When the nice nurse said I did not qualify it was sort of 'sorry?'.

I stand to be corrected by health professionals or statisticians telling me how, say, Indigenous folks are actually healthier and less vulnerable as a group, though.

Not a health care professional or statistician, but on-Reserve FN people, generally as a group, have a horrible diet, higher instances of diabetes, TB, and decent access to healthcare if they do contract something.

 

[The Bread Guy]

CIA apparently sent an email statement yesterday (25 Jan) about the whole COVID-Wuhan link. Can't find the email yet, but here's at least some of the text as posted by NPR's defence correspondent:

Based on this, here's the range of headlines coming out.

The CIA believes COVID most likely originated from a lab but has low confidence in its own finding

The finding is not the result of any new intelligence. It was declassified and released Saturday on the orders of President Donald Trump’s pick to lead the CIA.

apnews.com

CIA becomes latest intel agency to conclude COVID-19 likely originated from Chinese lab leak

Now Langley joins the FBI and Energy Department in agreeing that a lab leak is the most likely source of the pandemic.

nypost.com

CIA shifts assessment on Covid origins, saying lab leak likely caused outbreak

The agency said it has “low confidence” in its judgment and that it would continue evaluating new intelligence reporting.

www.nbcnews.com

C.I.A. Now Favors Lab Leak Theory to Explain Covid’s Origins

A new analysis that began under the Biden administration is released by the C.I.A.’s new director, John Ratcliffe, who wants the agency to get “off the sidelines” in the debate.

www.nytimes.com

CIA has 'low confidence" COVID-19 leaked from lab in China - UPI.com

The Central Intelligence Agency with a "low confidence" has changed its stance and concluded that it's likely the COVI-19 virus was leaked from a Chinese lab before it became a global pandemic five years ago.

www.upi.com

"CIA favors COVID lab leak theory"
"CIA says Covid-19 probably escaped Chinese lab but doesn’t rule out natural origin"


Also, this happened Friday:

Exclusive — CIA Director Ratcliffe: ‘Day-One Thing’ to Get to Bottom of Chinese ‘Origins of COVID,’ Wuhan Lab Leak

CIA director John Ratcliffe told Breitbart News that he intends to find out what the Agency knows about COVID leaking from a Wuhan lab.

www.breitbart.com

For more nuance, attached is a summary of the then-existing int from 2019 (when Trump 1.0 was in) and a longer report from 2023 (when Biden was in).

 

[OldSolduer]

I have a point to make:

When the manufacturer of a vaccine advertises "get vaccinated" does that not scream "we want the money"?

Should government not be the one?

 

[Halifax Tar]

CIA apparently sent an email statement yesterday (25 Jan) about the whole COVID-Wuhan link. Can't find the email yet, but here's at least some of the text as posted by NPR's defence correspondent:
View attachment 90766
Based on this, here's the range of headlines coming out.

The CIA believes COVID most likely originated from a lab but has low confidence in its own finding

The finding is not the result of any new intelligence. It was declassified and released Saturday on the orders of President Donald Trump’s pick to lead the CIA.

apnews.com

CIA becomes latest intel agency to conclude COVID-19 likely originated from Chinese lab leak

Now Langley joins the FBI and Energy Department in agreeing that a lab leak is the most likely source of the pandemic.

nypost.com

CIA shifts assessment on Covid origins, saying lab leak likely caused outbreak

The agency said it has “low confidence” in its judgment and that it would continue evaluating new intelligence reporting.

www.nbcnews.com

C.I.A. Now Favors Lab Leak Theory to Explain Covid’s Origins

A new analysis that began under the Biden administration is released by the C.I.A.’s new director, John Ratcliffe, who wants the agency to get “off the sidelines” in the debate.

www.nytimes.com

CIA has 'low confidence" COVID-19 leaked from lab in China - UPI.com

The Central Intelligence Agency with a "low confidence" has changed its stance and concluded that it's likely the COVI-19 virus was leaked from a Chinese lab before it became a global pandemic five years ago.

www.upi.com

"CIA favors COVID lab leak theory"
"CIA says Covid-19 probably escaped Chinese lab but doesn’t rule out natural origin"


Also, this happened Friday:

Exclusive — CIA Director Ratcliffe: ‘Day-One Thing’ to Get to Bottom of Chinese ‘Origins of COVID,’ Wuhan Lab Leak

CIA director John Ratcliffe told Breitbart News that he intends to find out what the Agency knows about COVID leaking from a Wuhan lab.

www.breitbart.com

For more nuance, attached is a summary of the then-existing int from 2019 (when Trump 1.0 was in) and a longer report from 2023 (when Biden was in).

Remember when speaking of the lab leak theory would have labeled you a racist?

 

[Remius]

I’m glad some are back to trusting institutions like the CIA again.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I’m glad some are back to trusting institutions like the CIA again.

If NPR guy accurately quoted the email statement, that only seems to apply when the Agency is kinda-sorta-not-too-sure of what they want to prove, right?

 

[OldSolduer]

I’m glad some are back to trusting institutions like the CIA again.

I would trust the CIA far more than the current GoC. I would however trust CSIS.

Or whatever agency Putin and China have.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I would trust the CIA far more than the current GoC. I would however trust CSIS.

Or whatever agency Putin and China have.

Trust is such a fickle word. What does that even mean in this context ?

MKUltra - Wikipedia

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Operation Midnight Climax - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

That's a couple wild things they did. Then there is the Bay of Pigs, Gulf of Tonkin, and I'm sure they are connected Iraq has WMDs debacle.

You don't need pro google powers to find all the FUBAR things then CIA did.

Trust... Trust them how ?

CIA activities in Canada - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[OldSolduer]

Trust is such a fickle word. What does that even mean in this context ?

MKUltra - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Operation Midnight Climax - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

That's a couple wild things they did. Then there is the Bay of Pigs, Gulf of Tonkin, and I'm sure they are connected Iraq has WMDs debacle.

You don't need pro google powers to find all the FUBAR things then CIA did.

Trust... Trust them how ?

CIA activities in Canada - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The issue with the CIA is in its roots. Its a descendent of the OSS - from WW2. Active measures - aiding the French Resistance etc - was the thing in WW2.
It does have a history that's for sure.