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Without the ability to produce our own kit/ammunition we will be back of the line regardless of the country making it.
C3 Howitzer Replacement
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Bingo.
daftandbarmy
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Ah! When I first read that, I clearly didn't bother to remember that super obvious & basic detail, re SK being the manufacturer
Connected the dots now. Duh.
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If your still alive, we give these to you and hope that the war is over, so they never get used.
FJAG
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That's really interesting because I don't believe that the RCH is in the American Army's mobile howitzer shoot-off which required participants to each deliver 18 evaluation systems by first quarter 2023 (That may have changed for all I know)
RCH has no guns in service that I know of - Israel decided to go elsewhere. That they'll try to supply 18 to Ukraine by 2025 pretty much explains that even though the prototype module has been around for years, they hadn't even begun low rate, test production.
Unmanned, automated loading system, and I am assuming targeting information & gun orientation will be done remotely.
Not a bad system for Ukraine right now. Perfect chance to work out the bugs without risking the lives of troops.
(If it works...)
Not a bad system for Ukraine right now. Perfect chance to work out the bugs without risking the lives of troops.
(If it works...)
FJAG
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I don't think its fully automated yet. The turret is but there's a driver and a crew commander/gunner up front in the hull. It's something along the line of Archer. Their literature talks about a fully remote operated system becoming a capability.
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Who needs gunners on the guns?
www.thedrive.com
If that then how many gunners do you need to put at risk on an SPG? A driver for the long hauls? Then dismount the drivers and have four of them operate a troop of guns by remote control?
The British Army’s New Light Howitzer Could Be Unmanned
Concept artwork for an advanced self-propelled design suggests the U.K. might take a radical route to replacing its Cold War-era towed guns.
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If that then how many gunners do you need to put at risk on an SPG? A driver for the long hauls? Then dismount the drivers and have four of them operate a troop of guns by remote control?
GR66
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Looks like an evolution of the General Dynamics SIAC 155mm system. It's a towed system that has an auxiliary power unit (APU) that allows it to be self driven. In this case it looks like it's intended for quick re-locations rather than long road moves.Who needs gunners on the guns?
The British Army’s New Light Howitzer Could Be Unmanned
Concept artwork for an advanced self-propelled design suggests the U.K. might take a radical route to replacing its Cold War-era towed guns.
If that then how many gunners do you need to put at risk on an SPG? A driver for the long hauls? Then dismount the drivers and have four of them operate a troop of guns by remote control?
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I note that the Brits are also beefing up their vertical lift capabilities by modernizing and expanding their Chinook fleet. I would expect the gun also to be compatible with the Merlin (Cormorant).
Edit - The SIAC 155mm looks a lot like the old FH70, still requires a prime mover and a crew of 6 or 7.
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And this.
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www.defensenews.com
British government sounds out arms makers on new howitzer risks
The industry probes were aimed at flagging potential programs ahead of leaders approving the business case and triggering the acquisition process.
www.defensenews.com
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What happens when you have to few guns
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Замкнене коло проблем: 50% PzH 2000 стабільно на ремонті - причини та шляхи вирішення | Defense Express
PzH 2000 експлуатується поза межами нормативів, що утворило цілий каскад проблем
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FJAG
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The key lesson is don't buy German technology where the manufacturer continues to glom on to the IP regardless of people dying in the field.What happens when you have to few guns
Замкнене коло проблем: 50% PzH 2000 стабільно на ремонті - причини та шляхи вирішення | Defense Express
PzH 2000 експлуатується поза межами нормативів, що утворило цілий каскад проблем
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While I agree on the Germans shooting themselves and everyone else in the foot. I suspect that the operational rate for the other western systems are not much better.The key lesson is don't buy German technology where the manufacturer continues to glom on to the IP regardless of people dying in the field.
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Meanwhile - in the shoot and scoot environment in which the Ukrainians find themselves
Pickup trucks mounting 57mm, 70mm, 80mm and 120mm rockets in expedient mounts.
Fire a couple of missiles, adjust, unload on target, get out of dodge while other units repeat the mission.
The Ready To Fire Missile, launched direct from the limber with no need for a complicated gun seems to becoming a favourite with everybody from Territorial ATGM gunners, through MANPADS and Air Def operators to the Artillery.
Consummables on the guns - charges, shells, driving bands, lands, breech blocks, recuperators
Launch requirements for missiles
Especially true of guided missiles that can be fired off-bore.
Pickup trucks mounting 57mm, 70mm, 80mm and 120mm rockets in expedient mounts.
Fire a couple of missiles, adjust, unload on target, get out of dodge while other units repeat the mission.
The Ready To Fire Missile, launched direct from the limber with no need for a complicated gun seems to becoming a favourite with everybody from Territorial ATGM gunners, through MANPADS and Air Def operators to the Artillery.
Consummables on the guns - charges, shells, driving bands, lands, breech blocks, recuperators
Launch requirements for missiles
Especially true of guided missiles that can be fired off-bore.
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Honestly I see better value in a 81-120mm mortar pickup than the rocket launcher systems. The smaller rockets have very limited range and payload - and abysmal accuracy when fired indirect (not fantastic from a helo either, but much better than minute of mountain that the ground expedient systems offer).Meanwhile - in the shoot and scoot environment in which the Ukrainians find themselves
Pickup trucks mounting 57mm, 70mm, 80mm and 120mm rockets in expedient mounts.
Fire a couple of missiles, adjust, unload on target, get out of dodge while other units repeat the mission.
The Ready To Fire Missile, launched direct from the limber with no need for a complicated gun seems to becoming a favourite with everybody from Territorial ATGM gunners, through MANPADS and Air Def operators to the Artillery.
Consummables on the guns - charges, shells, driving bands, lands, breech blocks, recuperators
Launch requirements for missiles
Especially true of guided missiles that can be fired off-bore.
FJAG
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For those of you who have heard of the L5, here's a neat little video of a Chilean artillery detachment taking an L5 from it's travel configuration to a three legs cranked firing position. An interesting note is that they too have women in the artillery.
