Boeing to offer P-8 as CP-140 Replacement

[Good2Golf]

You are talking about the same Military that milled off the 12 O'clock rail off the .338LM C14 Timberwolf, because only DHTC at the time had inline clip on Night Vision and the Army didn't want anyone thinking it was a possibility.

FFS

 

[dimsum]

Weren't they also able to mount Ata missiles for self defense? I could see how that would be beneficial.

That was the Nimrod.

I'm asking because I'm truly curious as to the thought process behind this. I am sure the powers that be had a reason.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Radar equipped, good combat record, minimal GHG foot print, easy maintenance, STOL performance, multiple hard points, stealth material construction, minimal basing requirements and excellent low speed loiter.

Don't forget that if you turn off the engine it becomes a glider!

 

[lenaitch]

Sounds like something the Coast Guard could use?

The 215/415 always struck me as a 'nice weather' unpressurized aircraft. I don't know what's required/desired for aircraft used for open water flying, and couldn't find any specs but: de-ice? heated? austere runways?

 

[armrdsoul77]

CL215 is tough. Doesn't even need landing gear.

 

[Good2Golf]

…it buffed right out.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I don't understand that decision, what was the reason for taking the hard points off? If you don't want to train operators for ASuW fine just font use them. Maybe someday you'll have a need for the hard points and now that is not an option.

Was the weight savings that significant to justify the removal?

Why not train for ASuW on the Aurora, seems like a good capability to have?

Weren't they also able to mount Ata missiles for self defense? I could see how that would be beneficial.

I'm asking because I'm truly curious as to the thought process behind this. I am sure the powers that be had a reason.

The 140 decisions to remove wing pylons etc were LONG before my time on the fleet so i won’t guess as to why but politics and money will likely lead you to the answer. I can state that, to limited point, they were reinstalled on at least 1 aircraft temporarily.

I always like to point out the French Navy enabled some of their ATL2s to designate targets/drop PGMs from their own turret/Bombay.

ASuW - still trained, we just aren’t “shooters”. Think of…a sniper team. 1 of them is the spotter; same as our tasking in Iraq and Syria. We can target, we can talk, but we currently don’t have a trigger to pull (aside from torps…or dropping bags of pennies out of the General Purpose Chute).

 

[Eye In The Sky]

You are talking about the same Military that milled off the 12 O'clock rail off the .338LM C14 Timberwolf, because only DHTC at the time had inline clip on Night Vision and the Army didn't want anyone thinking it was a possibility.

We need a “sarcastic” insightful emoji…

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Best thing I’ll see in the internet today! golf clap

 

[Eye In The Sky]

CL215 is tough. Doesn't even need landing gear.

That is a neat feature. Maybe a better ALOS for an aircraft with a load of water vice a load of Otto fuel in the belly and a bunch of batteries crammed into SLTs aft.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Don't forget that if you turn off the engine it becomes a glider!

Current govt terminology; “carbon-neutral aerovehicle”.

 

[calculus]

I'm not underestimating the considerable effort that would be required to convert the A220 ACJ to an MPA (sensors, weapons, etc...), but it would be a made-in-Canada solution, and with a 5650 nm range, and good "tube" size, it certainly seems like it could be feasible. Probably better economics than the proposed A320 NEO MPA.

ACJ TwoTwenty

The ACJ TwoTwenty is the newcomer to the ACJ Family. The TwoTwenty creates a whole new market segment “The Xtra Large Bizjet” and offers customers more personal space and cabin volume for a whole new passenger experience.

www.acj.airbus.com

Studies on French-German Next Gen MPA to Start this Month - Naval News

The future French-German MPA program will be launched in the following week. The first phase of the studies will focus on the mission system.

www.navalnews.com

 

[KevinB]

I'm not underestimating the considerable effort that would be required to convert the A220 ACJ to an MPA (sensors, weapons, etc...), but it would be a made-in-Canada solution, and with a 5650 nm range, and good "tube" size, it certainly seems like it could be feasible. Probably better economics than the proposed A320 NEO MPA.

ACJ TwoTwenty

The ACJ TwoTwenty is the newcomer to the ACJ Family. The TwoTwenty creates a whole new market segment “The Xtra Large Bizjet” and offers customers more personal space and cabin volume for a whole new passenger experience.

www.acj.airbus.com

Studies on French-German Next Gen MPA to Start this Month - Naval News

The future French-German MPA program will be launched in the following week. The first phase of the studies will focus on the mission system.

www.navalnews.com

How is Airbus a made in Canada solution?

 

[calculus]

How is Airbus a made in Canada solution?

Built in Montreal. The A220 is the previously known Bombardier C-Series.

Airbus A220 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The history of the Airbus A220, the controversial plane Boeing tried to keep out of the US

In the years since the aircraft was announced, controversy has shaped the future of the plane formerly known as the Bombardier CSeries.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[daftandbarmy]

You are talking about the same Military that milled off the 12 O'clock rail off the .338LM C14 Timberwolf, because only DHTC at the time had inline clip on Night Vision and the Army didn't want anyone thinking it was a possibility.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I'm not underestimating the considerable effort that would be required to convert the A220 ACJ to an MPA (sensors, weapons, etc...), but it would be a made-in-Canada solution, and with a 5650 nm range, and good "tube" size, it certainly seems like it could be feasible. Probably better economics than the proposed A320 NEO MPA.

ACJ TwoTwenty

The ACJ TwoTwenty is the newcomer to the ACJ Family. The TwoTwenty creates a whole new market segment “The Xtra Large Bizjet” and offers customers more personal space and cabin volume for a whole new passenger experience.

www.acj.airbus.com

Studies on French-German Next Gen MPA to Start this Month - Naval News

The future French-German MPA program will be launched in the following week. The first phase of the studies will focus on the mission system.

www.navalnews.com

Why set ourselves up with another orphans fleet?

People discount the “common parts” aspect in Operations. One particular Det I was on, our Maint PUK arrived after we were in theatre. We’d had a very significant transit to our final stop, and almost as soon as we got there, we were EVACing for significant weather to another landmass. When we landed, the aircraft was U/S on the A check. Luckily, we were co-located with both Aussie and Kiwi P-3 Dets and the techs we had with us (we always take some on the Aurora on away trips) were able to beg/borrow the parts and tools we needed and we were serviceable again. A day later, the weather we were bravely running away from turned north towards us and we had to EVAC again to a second location. After that weather was gone, we were able to make it back to the DOB which was a fair distance away now. Most of that was able to happen because of common parts/tools.

In either of those situations, we would not have time for a MRP or parts mule to be put into motion.

Flyaway/pack up maintenance kit can’t contain absolutes everything when you’re limited by airlift capability (which the CAF is); being able to borrow from Allies in times of need is important, IMO.

Running from sig storms, getting sensors on an area, putting weapons in the water, conducting SAR ops…any of those things could NOT happen when really needed (the SAR piece isn’t made up, I’ve been on crews that were re-tasked off operational missions to a SAR mission).

Re one the links; Germany is buying P-8s to replace their P-3s. France upgraded their Atlantiques.

Boeing gets nod to start building Germany’s P-8 anti-submarine aircraft

Boeing has inked a contract with the U.S. Navy to produce five P-8A Poseidon maritime surveillance and anti-submarine aircraft destined for the German sea service.

www.defensenews.com

French Navy Receives Sixth Upgraded ATL2 Maritime Patrol Aircraft - Naval News

The French DGA took delivery of the sixth Atlantique 2 (ATL2) standard 6 MPA on December 21, 2021 and delivered it to the French Navy.

www.navalnews.com

 

[KevinB]

Built in Montreal. The A220 is the previously known Bombardier C-Series.

Airbus A220 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The history of the Airbus A220, the controversial plane Boeing tried to keep out of the US

In the years since the aircraft was announced, controversy has shaped the future of the plane formerly known as the Bombardier CSeries.

www.businessinsider.com

Oh yes, I forgot about another great absorption...

 

[dimsum]

In either of those situations, we would not have time for a MRP or parts mule to be put into motion.

Flyaway/pack up maintenance kit can’t contain absolutes everything when you’re limited by airlift capability (which the CAF is); being able to borrow from Allies in times of need is important, IMO.

Bingo.

 

[FSTO]

Why set ourselves up with another orphans fleet?

People discount the “common parts” aspect in Operations. One particular Det I was on, our Maint PUK arrived after we were in theatre. We’d had a very significant transit to our final stop, and almost as soon as we got there, we were EVACing for significant weather to another landmass. When we landed, the aircraft was U/S on the A check. Luckily, we were co-located with both Aussie and Kiwi P-3 Dets and the techs we had with us (we always take some on the Aurora on away trips) were able to beg/borrow the parts and tools we needed and we were serviceable again. A day later, the weather we were bravely running away from turned north towards us and we had to EVAC again to a second location. After that weather was gone, we were able to make it back to the DOB which was a fair distance away now. Most of that was able to happen because of common parts/tools.

In either of those situations, we would not have time for a MRP or parts mule to be put into motion.

Flyaway/pack up maintenance kit can’t contain absolutes everything when you’re limited by airlift capability (which the CAF is); being able to borrow from Allies in times of need is important, IMO.

Running from sig storms, getting sensors on an area, putting weapons in the water, conducting SAR ops…any of those things could NOT happen when really needed (the SAR piece isn’t made up, I’ve been on crews that were re-tasked off operational missions to a SAR mission).

Re one the links; Germany is buying P-8s to replace their P-3s. France upgraded their Atlantiques.

Orphan Fleets for $500.00 Alex!

Cause that's the way we roll Canada!

 

[MilEME09]

Orphan Fleets for $500.00 Alex!

Cause that's the way we roll Canada!

Cause our procurement programs are meant for giving jobs to bureaucrats, not delivering capabilities.