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Asthma & the CF (merged thread)

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Well good news for you, I'm living proof that someone who previously suffered from asthma can get in.

I had chronic asthma for my entire childhood right up until my early teens (about 13-14), then as I became more knowledgable about the subject and researching for myself I learned to avoid all cigarette smoke and excercise etc... Other things that help me defeat it.

I had to go through those 2 tests mentioned earlier on and passed both with flying colours when I was about 19, then was offered reg force infantry at 20 (my application took A L O N G time, turned it down (fell in love) and swore into the reserves Jan 6th 2005.

There you go, a short history of someone who got in who had asthma.

Goodluck, keep doing what your doing and stick with it.

Joe :warstory:
 
R031 Pte Joe said:
...then as I became more knowledgable about the subject and researching for myself I learned to avoid all cigarette smoke and excercise etc..

Haha I now know what you mean, but it sounds like you said you have to avoid exercise to prevent the asthma... which of course probably wouldn't go well with the CF :P
 
Yeah, the PFT and Meth test are the primary tests that will help, but if you wanna make yourself bullet proof theres another test called the EIT (Excercise Inducive Test) that will totally remove any reason for rejection. "Anyone get in with asthma" ....no one with asthma can get it in, you have to genuinley not have it, and Joe is living proof as are a couple of others on army.ca. PM me if you have any further questions but the links Micheal O Leary posted sum it up pretty much.

- Good Luck
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Yes you can get in if you have a mild case of asthma, you will have to jump through a few hoops though and probably go through your family doctor for a letter stating you can do the job. Avoiding exercise is a BS excuse!!! I used to use an inhaler all of the time when I was younger and was told to avoid strenuous exercise. With my case the condition got better with doing cardio (I know this may not be the case for all ), last summer I did 12Km runs two to three times a week and a couple of 8Km runs with a lightly packed ruck sack too with no problemsat all. I do still have an inhaler but I rarely use it and it has never once come to the point that my job was affected by the condition. From what I know entry into the CF with the condition is done on a case by case basis (I could be wrong there though) it took me a long time to prove to the medical staff involved that I could do the job with no problems but it was definitely worth the wait. Good Luck and get ready for a longer recruiting process than most others since you will be required to prove yourself to the recruiters and the medical staff as well. You may be surprised what can be done with a little hard work, patience and training. Cheers.
 
You bet you can get in with Asthma. I did!! Had childhood Asthma and later suffered from EIA or exercise induced Asthma, admitted to it when I applied and still got in. Each time I do my express test I check the "Do you suffer from Asthma" box, go to the MIR, get the go ahead to take the test and get exempt everytime. Believe it or not the best advice I ever got about Asthma came from a Message Therepist, she said to practise breathing deeper, from the belly, and give my lungs a break, Asthma suffers tend to stress their lungs by breathing from the chest.
For what its worth!!

Cheers!
 
Sounds like a bit of sunshine on this snowy day  ::)

Thanks a lot. I have told my husband that I refuse to give up until I hear the "official No" from Borden. Medical already has my family doctors note stating that I can go through with it. The respiratory test is whats holding me up. But Ill keep on pushing. I can't remember once in my life when I have given up on something  ;)

S.Bradbury
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when i went through basic, the only time asthma was brought up was when we were heading into the gas hut, unless you feel like your going to gag on your lungs that are coming up your throat when you run i think you shouldnt have any troubles with it. just make sure your family doctor clears you.

Caleix
 
Caleix said:
when i went through basic, the only time asthma was brought up was when we were heading into the gas hut, unless you feel like your going to gag on your lungs that are coming up your throat when you run i think you shouldnt have any troubles with it. just make sure your family doctor clears you.

Caleix

I have been gassed many many times in the last 15 years both in the hut and the field, with and without a gas mask too and never once has it bothered me in that way, there are a lot of misconceptions, myths, and fallacies about the condition that many believe to be true that are just not always the case. This would have been done to cover themselves just incase something happened but not necessary for each serving member with the condition.
 
double0three said:
Haha I now know what you mean, but it sounds like you said you have to avoid exercise to prevent the asthma... which of course probably wouldn't go well with the CF :P

I guess I worded that wrong... What I meant is I started TO excercise!!! Not avoid it!!! I was always active as a kid anyway and in track and field and wrestling etc... Always enjoyed football and played lacross, so that wasn't a big change for me, just had to run more and do cardio work more is all. It worked for me, I'm declared asthma free!

Goodluck
 
Ok, first of all.  Sorry if something like this has been posted, but all I could find were posts for EITHER allergies OR ashtma.

Ok, from what I have read so far, the main issue in being enrolled is physical activity induced asthma, since you are going to constantly be participating in strenuous activity.

I really want to be in the infantry, and I have allergy induced asthma, and even then it is mild.  Non-existant in the winter.  It's just with stuff like ragweed, dust, and animals and such.

Do I still have a good chance of being enrolled in the Infantry, if I can pass the physical test without any problems?
 
How bad is it? Do you require any medications? If you are on exercise / on tour in spring/summer/fall (ie 7 months of the year) and have an allergy attack; does it restrick you? If so how bad? Would you have to evacuated? Could it become life-threatening? What is you history? Have you ever been hospitalized? And the list of questions goes on & on & on......Recommend put in your application, do your medical and talk with the physician assistant / Snr med tech. He or she is the only one who can steer you in the right direction on any medical matters.

-gerry
 
Not bad, just a puffer when breathing becomes slightly difficult, not if i have my puffer, i wouldn't have to be evacuated, never life threatening, got it when i was 13, never been hospitalized...

Hmm, thx for making me think about these questions, and thanx for the advice.  I won't give up untill I get enrolled.
 
I was diagnosed with same thing. Mine are from infections and grain dust. Thought it was stupid though because it was just due to heavy smoking....(smoking it self is stupid though)  now i have to wait so much longer :( and i don't take any meds.

You will eventually have to get your family doctor to fill out the forms the military physician gives you. You will have to cover the costs as well. it is then sent to Ottawa for review and you might have to take further tests with a specialist.

O well, good luck with your application.
 
Your INDIVIDUAL medical fitness for joining the CF can only be determined through the medical portion of the recruiting process and not through this board and the experiences of others.  If you want to join then apply and see where the process takes you.

Exactly Kincanucks;  I spent 4 years doing medicals at a CFRC; I've had people say to me, 'Why do I need to get this medical form done?..Well my friend has the same thing and he's in...etc, etc,"

Realize folks that you may have a condition that others have; BUT people can and do  react differently to said same condition; the only way to determine if you are medically fit is to go through the recruiting process.

-gerry
 
hey,

I went to join the CF, everything was going good till the medical. After about 4 weeks after the medical i got a letter saying that i didn't meet common enrolment standards. They rejected me because i have minor asthma and i clearly stated that it's very minor.
All i have to do is take a puffer right before i do anything and I'm fine and I'm just like i don't have asthma. Even if i don't take the puffer, it still isn't that bad.
i play football and rugby, lift weights and do long distance running, and the asthma only affects me a little in these if i don't take the puffer, but nothing to be worried about. when i first got the medical, they gave me a form to bring to my doctor to fill out about my asthma, and my doctor said the test was good that he conducted on me. The CF clearly knew i had asthma, gave me a sheet and everything to go get filled out and everything, and everything was good and they still rejected me because of it. Why would they do that? and does anyone have any suggestions of what i can do?
so far, all i got was to see a lung or respiratory specialist, get test conducted from the doc. then perform the medical again and hand in the test performance sheets to the CF.
 
Sweet holy heart of Mary  :brickwall: : the medical was done.    You said you use a puffer before rugby; running; football = strenuous exercise.    You said it only bothers you 'a little' if you don't use a puffer before these exercises.    Examples of some military 'strenuous exercises': imagine you are part of a platoon on a SOVOP exercise waaaaay up in the middle of the arctic in -40 carrying a ruck, weapons, pulling a toboggan for a month - you have to use your puffer (if it ain't frozen); you lose your puffer - no medical facilities; the only medical services you have are the coy medic carrying the same gear as you plus his or her jump bag (or whatever my former compradries are using now) which consist of first line  medical gear and not every specialized pill and device for every possible medical condition known to man).    Now imagine you are in Af'stan - same rules apply (except for the -40) - you are part of a platoon  at remote forward OP camp as a base of ops for a month, etc, etc, etc. I joined at the age of 17 years as an infanteer then medic: as a teenager until I joined - played soccer; played hockey; cross-country running; played fast pitch. Ain't know strenuous exercise like humping your pers weapon, ruck on your back and a karl gustav anti-tank weapon across the Matawa Plains, Petawawa in July; likewise no strenuous exercise like being in the traces of a toboggan wearing snow shoes for weeks on end in northern Norway or (the coldest place I've been) Churchill Manitoba in Jan / Feb. In other words, most times 'strenuous' exercise what we knew before and after we joined is like, well sex before and after your married - no comparison  ;D . If you want to serve, then do as the letter asked, get a PFT, methacoline challenge, respiratory specialist, etc; whatever was asked...YOU are applying for a job...good luck and good hunting...'ain't nothin to see here folks'...in other words, (not to be too rude) what other advice do you need from here?
 
Filled up with useless junk & clutter??

How's this??

There are a good many reasons that the CF does not accept people with asthma, even very mild cases of it. I watched it almost cost one of the liars his life one day on PT...he had never had an actual "attack" and chose to "not mention his asthma." IDIOT.

For one, asthma can be made worse dependant upon the type of working conditions you are under; the CF can not guarantee your working conditions. Even mild cases can take on a whole new meaning in the heat and humidty while humping a ruck up a hill. It's happened. That's why we have medical restrictions on service.

Often asthma attacks can be brought on by increased physical workload; we tend to perform physical tasks (especially in your case as you have indicated that you applied for infantry). We can not guarantee your tasks or your physical workload.

They can also be brought on as a result of climatic conditions, do we exempt you from deployments because the climatic conditions may increase the risk of you having an attack?? We can not guarantee you will always be deployed to a location safe from smog, humidity etc.

This is the miltary. We perform the tasks required, when required in whatever conditions that our government calls upon for us to do so. If you will need to be exempted from any of these job functions, then this job's not right for you; the CF is not a "pick and choose your work today" kind of job.

The CF releases guys with many years time in when they can no longer go when, where, and do what the CF needs them to because they have been limited by medical restrictions that limit their employability and deployability. It doesn't quite make sense to me to enlist someone that would be in the same position. Ultimately, it comes down to your health, and the CF can not guarantee that your mild case of asthma would not be aggravated by your service.
 
I was told by the medical staff, that you can have asthma but you have to be already in the cf.

if your in the CF and then your diagnosed with asthma then you can stay in. i know someone who this has happened to.





 
crawdaddy,

If they are already in, they may be allowed to stay in WITH RESTRICTIONS on their employability and deployability. Some are indeed accomodated for a couple of years. During this fixed term accomodation period they can undergo retraining/education etc to enhance their job skills.

That's whole different ballgame.

We now have new regulations regarding a thing we call "Universality of Service" that one must meet. That means that one must be fully fit for employment and deployment for retention in the CF. It's the nature of our jobs.

 
I'm going to post in a locked topic here.

1st -  Is it difficult to get in when you have Asthma?  Yes.
        Is it impossible?  No.
Everyone's case is looked at separately. There are posters to this board
who have appealed and been enrolled.

2nd - Threads with the sub-topic "If only I hadn't told them about that" seem to appear on this board
every once in a while.

I have posted this before, but it needs repeating.
When you sign off the questionaire during the enrollment medical you are signing a legal
document.  If you are caught making a false statement on your medical during enrollment,
your finished.

Here are two case studies from the CF Grievance Board website.  In the first study
you will note that unintentional non-disclosure will get you released and out of the
military (Category 5e Irregular Enrolment). Intentional non-disclosure will get you discharged under item 1d
(1:  Misconduct  d: Fraudulent Statement on Enrolment). Bottom line is, you will
be released either way.
 
http://cfgb-cgfc.gc.ca/casestudies-e.php?case_study_id=169

Case Summaries
Release - Fraudulent Enrolment

The grievor enrolled in the Canadian Forces (CF) on June 27, 2002. During an immunization parade in July 2002, the grievor disclosed his allergies. These allergies were not disclosed during the medical examination given to the grievor at the time of enrolment. As a result of his medical condition, the grievor’s medical category was downgraded from G2 to G4. This change meant that the grievor did not meet the medical standard required for enrolment in the CF, and he was released under Queen’s Regulations and Orders (QR&O) item 1(d). The grievor argued that he should not have been released, and requested that the release be cancelled.

The Initial Authority did not issue a decision in this case, as its request for a second extension of time in order to respond to the grievance was refused.

The Board found that the grievor did not meet the required medical standard and would not have been able to enroll in the CF had the full extent of his medical condition been appreciated at the time of enrolment. The Board also found that QR&O item 5(e) was a more appropriate release category than item 1(d).

The Board recommended that the Chief of the Defence Staff deny the grievance. The Board also recommended that the grievor’s release item be changed from 1(d) to 5(e), and, consequently, that the grievor’s service record be amended.

CDS DECISION

The CDS agreed with the Board's recommendation to uphold the grievance in part. The grievor's release from the CF was appropriate and he would not have been enrolled if his complete medical information (allergies) had been known prior to enrolment. However, given the uintentional nature of his not disclosing relevant health information, the grievor's release item 1(d) will be amended by ADM (HR Mil) in order to reflect an item 5(e) release.


This second case study is in reply to the "But I know somebody who got in then got diagnosed"
argument. The Common Enrolment Medical Standard (CEMS) does not apply to someone
who is already "in".  However, there is a Generic Standard and a specific standard for each
trade. If a medical condition develops that limits the member from meeting those standards,
another system of temporary medical categories, and possible accommodation takes place
for a set period of time before they too are medically released.  ArmyVern already pointed
this out to crawdaddy in her post above.

http://cfgb-cgfc.gc.ca/casestudies-e.php?case_study_id=224

Case Summaries
Discrimination / Medical condition / Release - Medical / Universality of Service

The grievor alleged that he was unjustly released from the Canadian Forces under item 3(b) – Medical of QR&O article 15.01, instead of receiving a second period of accommodation.

The Board found that, in principle, the grievor could have received a second period of accommodation based on the fact that, according to the Annual Military Occupation Review, the grievor’s Military Occupation was a “distress trade”. In addition, the Board found that the CO exceeded his authority when deciding not to offer the grievor a further period of accommodation, as he used irrelevant criteria to the “Guidelines for Retention of Members with Medical Employment Limitations” in order to make this decision.

Despite the fact that the grievor may have suffered an injustice, however, the Board found that a medical release for this grievor was, ultimately, the only possible outcome. The Board also found no merit in recommending that he be offered re-enrolment for a Fixed Period of Service equivalent to the length of another period of accommodation (i.e., three years). In attempt to correct the injustice caused to the grievor, therefore, the Board recommended that the CDS forward the grievance to the Director of Claims and Civil Litigation for consideration of a monetary award to the grievor.

CDS DECISION

The CDS endorses the Board’s recommendation to deny the grievance. The CDS is satisfied that the grievor was accommodated in accordance with the CF Accommodation Policy until the expiration of his Basic Engagement and that he was properly released on medicals grounds. The CDS is satisfied that the CF was not obliged to renew his terms of service to provide him a further period of accommodation. Finally, while the grievor’s CO did apply the wrong test in his recommendation for release, he was not the decision maker. Consequently, contrary to Board’s recommendation, the CDS is not satisfied that there are grounds to refer the grievor’s case to DCCL for consideration as a potential claim against the Crown.

The existing thread on the subject of lying or hiding facts during the medical is located here:
http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/13190.0.html


 
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