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Army Communication & Information Systems Specialists (Sig Op, Lineman and LCIS Amalgamation)

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Jammer said:
Not going to happen.

Are you referring to those pers who didn't have Spec 1 before, or to the entire ACISS trade?

The CSTs losing Spec would go over like the proverbial lead balloon.
 
Sigger said:
Any new rumors of Spec Pay?

Can of worms. If part of the trade gets it and part doesn't, no one will want to stay in the part that doesn't and we'll be in the same place as we were before with manning levels. The paperwork is in, we're in watch and shoot mode.
 
If only we could watch and SHOOT. The last brief in Edmonton was a gong show of no answers to questions that were posed. ACISS should be a dance move for how many times he danced around the question and went off on another tangent. Sticking your head in the sand is not providing info. I think we have been sent in the wrong direction, creation of the IS Tech trade would have been a much simpler solution, instead of reinventing the Signals world.
 
PuckChaser said:
Can of worms. If part of the trade gets it and part doesn't, no one will want to stay in the part that doesn't and we'll be in the same place as we were before with manning levels. The paperwork is in, we're in watch and shoot mode.

Understood.
 
The whole thing is a disaster; a complete and utter cockup.  The powers that be cannot answer simple questions.  No one knows what they are anymore and 70 PYs diverted to the school when the line units are struggling without enough Signallers.  Nothing to do but soldier on until someone sends me my new hat in the mail with instructions on how to wear it.
 
Anyone know what a fresh off BMQ Sigop can expect at this time? I understand there is quite a long wait time and the last few sigs to graduate here a couple weeks back were sent to Pet and Gage for OJT.

Are they currently running any QL3's (or DP1.0's) at the moment? And if they are having they in fact flipped to the 3 month course, or still running the 6 month course?

I must admit its a little daunting coming in to this trade where theres no real solid info on whats happening. Even our Sigs Mcpl can't get a straight answer from anyone!

As aside, before someone says it, I'm not regretting my choice here at all, just would like even a general idea of whats happening, sucks when our entire platoon is all excited with their posting messages and being and to plan their next 2-4 years, when we Sigs still don't even know what province we'll be in!

Hopefully they can figure out what to do with us before we grad in a week heh...
 
So do you have to be loaded on a course to access the DL material? And if the DL is supposed to take X days to complete, do you have to wait until X days before the residency to start working on it?

I ask because the DL mods seem to be scheduled on the CFSCE calendar with start and end dates. Really I'd prefer to self-enrol and complete the trg on my own schedule, if possible.
 
Got my answer: PAT Plt. in Wainwright for an unknown duration.
 
Wow, so that won't make people want to quit.

I've submitted my PLAR awhile back and I've heard absolutely nothing at all as of yet. My name has sat unchanged on the dreaded ACISS DIN website, only to have been deleted a few times and re-added.

I highly doubt with the current fiscal goals (to find savings of 5%-10% in DND alone) that any of our new 'trades' will be receiving spec pay either. Wasn't counting on it, won't count it but, but I'll hold out a tiny piece of hope that we still might. -IST subtrade that is.

Hopefully by Jan-Feb we'll know something. If I get my placement I'll post on here what I ended up being pegged as. Seeing as I've been in an IST job since I joined, I'd be shocked if I was put into anything else.
 
I'm in the same boat as you Joe.

Hoping that the Writing boards finally finish up soon for these DP courses so I can find out what I've already done and can sleep through. I will be thrilled if I have to re do Intro to Mircocomputers  ::).
 
Well son of a B....

I was going to go on as to how all the info was there now, but that would have been for not!

The info was posted there two weeks ago.  I checked it out and found out everything.  What I was granted, what trg I had to do to be fully quallified, my next DP core level, my next DP level specialty.....

All the info less the "PLAR Reviewed" was deleted five days ago by DLCI.

good thing I printed it out!
 
Setup an 'alert' for yourself on that site so that it emails you the moment anything is actually changed. That's how I seen that info your talking about on myself before it was axed... Strange though why they would go through all the work of putting it in and then deleting it.

Who knows, maybe it was a database malfunction!

They should call an IST to the rescue!!! Oh... Wait.... Nvm....  :facepalm:

:piper:
 
I did inquire about data being deleted and here is the answer I got from CLS DLCI:

"We have 2 systems to manage this data - The one you see is a subset of the data with the rest intentionally stripped out to conform to requirements necessary for general consumption. The rest of the data is still being tracked, but on a closed system for use by MES managers and LFDTS to assist in carreer development efforts.

All of the relevant data for each soldier will still be displayed on the public site which you have listed below. The stripped information is mostly that which was sent to DAT in support of PLARs, and was removed from public view for the sake of privacy. More information should be available on Monitor MASS where the viewers authenication is easier to process.
The results of PLARs should be communicated back to the units using a more formal process of notification through the chain of command. "


 
Ah, interesting. Thanks for the info!

So it appears that the site will still be updated but I'm going to say that the response from them basically says the website is on the backburner and they're doing the real meat and bones work behind the scenes.

UPDATE:
I just so happened to check my MPRR yesterday and noticed a big update. All the courses I challenged for I received the qualifications! It still doesn't have a new MOSID and it still says SIG OP for my trade, but my PLAR for IST obviously went through the system and has been approved. So, those of you whom have submitted for IST, check your MPRR / Monitor mass!

JSR OP said:
I did inquire about data being deleted and here is the answer I got from CLS DLCI:

"We have 2 systems to manage this data - The one you see is a subset of the data with the rest intentionally stripped out to conform to requirements necessary for general consumption. The rest of the data is still being tracked, but on a closed system for use by MES managers and LFDTS to assist in carreer development efforts.

All of the relevant data for each soldier will still be displayed on the public site which you have listed below. The stripped information is mostly that which was sent to DAT in support of PLARs, and was removed from public view for the sake of privacy. More information should be available on Monitor MASS where the viewers authenication is easier to process.
The results of PLARs should be communicated back to the units using a more formal process of notification through the chain of command. "
 
Hey guys,
I have been playing the waiting in the dark game for too long and need some answers on this. Hopefully somebody here can clear the mud a little bit.

I joined a little over 3 years ago and signed as an LCIS NCN-SEP.
I went to school, got my fancy piece of paper, did BMQ and many months of OJT as an LCIS.

Now I am sitting on PAT in kingston about to go on LSVW and SQ courses but LCIS courses do not exist.
I have been told that I am still going to be LCIS, but I am watching others around me get changed over to ACISS and get put on the ACISS course.

- How are courses going to work for me? Do I still have to do all the sigop and lineman stuff or do i get shunted straight to the LCIS stuff?
- What will my POET equivalent civi schooling count for now?

This is becoming a real headace and I am considing just OTing to ATIS, but that means sitting on PAT for many more months >_>
 
Basically you're going to be streamlined into the CST occupation, which means you'll do the common DP1 and then the CST DP1.1 and get posted to your unit.
 
Cobrajr said:
Hey guys,
I have been playing the waiting in the dark game for too long and need some answers on this. Hopefully somebody here can clear the mud a little bit.

I joined a little over 3 years ago and signed as an LCIS NCN-SEP.
I went to school, got my fancy piece of paper, did BMQ and many months of OJT as an LCIS.

Now I am sitting on PAT in kingston about to go on LSVW and SQ courses but LCIS courses do not exist.
I have been told that I am still going to be LCIS, but I am watching others around me get changed over to ACISS and get put on the ACISS course.

- How are courses going to work for me? Do I still have to do all the sigop and lineman stuff or do i get shunted straight to the LCIS stuff?
- What will my POET equivalent civi schooling count for now?

This is becoming a real headace and I am considing just OTing to ATIS, but that means sitting on PAT for many more months >_>

PuckChaser is right, but to clarify and specify, everyone is getting punted into the common DP1, the 'ACISS' course, then you'll be shoved off to a unit and put into the LCIS section/shop. You're already branded cattle where new people joining are NOT.

Don't worry too much, enjoy your SQ, I had fun on it! LSVW offroading is alright too, you're at the start of your career, take it all in, good and the bad =)
 
Another update, checked the ACISS COTS website today, shows now that I have been given the green thumbs up to being listed as an IST.

Everyone in my section who put in for IST received the stamp!

I cannot click on myself anymore and see what equivalency level I've been placed or what training they require me to take next though. I'm going to assume that will all come down through the trusty chain of command eventually...
 
Conspicuously absent:  any reference to Specialist Pay.



P R 201455Z SEP 11
FM NDHQ DGMP OTTAWA//DPGR//

UNCLAS DPGR 012/11
SECTION 1 OF 2
SUBJ: (ACISS) ARMY COMMUNICATION AND INFORMATION SYSTEMS SPECIALIST
OCCUPATION MILITARY EMPLOYMENT STRUCTURE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN (MES
IP)
1. THIS MES IP WILL COME INTO EFFECT 01 OCT 11
2. WHEN IMPLEMENTED, THIS MES IP WILL AMALGAMATE THE LEGACY
OCCUPATIONS OF LCIS TECH - 00110, SIG OP - 00329 AND LMN - 00015 TO
FORM THE NEW ACISS, MOSID 00362, OCCUPATION. UPON COMPULSORY
OCCUPATION TRANSFER FROM THE LEGACY OCCUPATIONS, MEMBERS WILL BE
ASSIGNED TO THE ACISS PARENT OCCUPATION OR ONE OF ITS THREE
TECHNOLOGIST SUB-OCCUPATIONS OF:  COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS TECHNOLOGIST
(CST), INFORMATION SYSTEMS TECHNOLOGIST (IST) OR LINE SYSTEMS
TECHNOLOGIST (LST), OR IN THE FOURTH CAPPING SUB-OCCUPATION OF:
COMMUNICATION AND INFORMATION SYSTEMS TECHNOLOGY MANAGER (CISTM)
3. THE EXECUTION OF THIS MES IP WILL BEGIN THE SHIFT AWAY FROM USING
THE TRADITIONAL INTEGRATED OCCUPATIONAL SPECIFICATION (IOS) BY
MOVING TO A NEW JOB BASED SPECIFICATION (JBS) THAT FOCUSES ON
DESCRIBING THE WORK PERFORMED IN EACH OF THE JOBS ASSOCIATED WITH AN
OCCUPATION. THESE JOB DESCRIPTIONS CAN THEN BE USED TO ACCURATELY
DEFINE REQUIREMENTS FOR OCCUPATIONAL EMPLOYMENT, TRAINING AND
QUALIFICATIONS. ACCORDINGLY, THE ACISS OCCUPATION HAS BEEN DEVELOPED
BY BUILDING A HIERARCHICAL FRAMEWORK OF JOBS THAT DEFINE ALL OF THE
EMPLOYMENT QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OCCUPATION
4. JOB BASED SPECIFICATION (JBS). THE NEW ACISS JBS WILL BE POSTED
TO THE DPGR WEBSITE UPON APPROVAL AND TRANSLATION
5. JOB DESCRIPTIONS. THERE ARE 161 JOB DESCRIPTIONS FOR THE ACISS
OCCUPATION AND ITS SUB-OCCUPATIONS AND THEY ARE INCORPORATED INTO
THE JBS. COPIES OF THESE JDS WILL BE AVAILABLE THROUGH DPGR 7 UPON
REQUEST
6. EMPLOYMENT QUALIFICATIONS. FOUR RANK QUALIFICATIONS AND 67 UNIQUE
SPECIALTY QUALIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN CREATED IN SUPPORT OF THE ACISS
OCCUPATION.  QUALIFICATION CODES WILL BE CREATED TO TRACK THE
EMPLOYMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE NEW ACISS OCCUPATION WITHIN HRMS.
THE CURRENT LIST OF SPECIALTY SPECIFICATIONS WILL BE REVIEWED AND
UPDATED AS PART OF THE MES IP
7. OCCUPATION GROUPS. NEW OCCUPATION GROUPS WILL BE CREATED FOR THE
NEW ACISS OCCUPATION.  IN ADDITION, REFERENCE TO THE LCIS TECH, LMN
AND SIG OP OCCUPATIONS WILL BE REMOVED FROM ALL EXISTING OCC GRPS
8. ESTABLISHMENT. AS A RESULT OF MOVING TO A JOB BASED SYSTEM EVERY
POSITION IN THE THREE LEGACY OCCUPATIONS WILL BE LINKED TO A
SPECIFIC JOB IN THE NEW ACISS OCCUPATION AND THE MES IP WILL
DOCUMENT THOSE LINKAGES
9. MANNING. THE OCCUPATION WILL CONTINUE TO BE MANNED THROUGH THE
ENROLMENT OF RECRUITS AND OTHER INTAKE SOURCES AS REQUIRED. THE
RANGE IN RANK WILL BE FROM PTE TO CWO
10. PRIMARY RESERVE (P RES). MEMBERS OF THE P RES COMPONENT OF THE
LEGACY OCCUPATIONS WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY TRANSFERRED TO THE P RES
ACISS STRUCTURE. THEY WILL FOLLOW THE TRAINING AND PROGRESSION
STREAMS SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED FOR THE RES F MEMBERS IN THE ACISS
JBS AND IAW THEIR EMPLOYMENT REQUIREMENTS. OCCUPATIONAL MANNING WILL
BE ESTABLISHED THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DEMANDS AND QUOTAS. THE RANGE
IN RANK WILL BE FROM PTE TO CWO
11. CAREER MANAGEMENT. PERSONNEL IN THE ACISS OCCUPATION WILL
CONTINUE TO BE MANAGED BY D MIL C 5
12. TRAINING. CLS WILL REMAIN THE TRAINING AUTHORITY FOR THE NEW
OCCUPATION. MODIFICATIONS TO EXISTING TRG WILL BE NEEDED TO
IMPLEMENT THE NEW ACISS JBS WHICH WILL TRANSITION THE OCCUPATION
FROM THE TRADITIONAL OCCUPATIONALLY BASED QUALIFICATIONS TO THE NEW
JOB BASED STRUCTURE AND ITS ASSOCIATED EMPLOYMENT QUALIFICATIONS.
ACISS TRAINING COMMENCED 04 JAN 11 THROUGH CFSCE KINGSTON
13. ENROLMENT REQUIREMENTS. THE ACISS OCCUPATION WILL DRAW ITS
PERSONNEL FROM THE RECRUIT POPULATION AND OTHER INTAKE SOURCES. THE
ENROLMENT CRITERIA WILL BE COMMON TO THE ENTIRE OCCUPATION IAW CFAO
49-4 AND DAOD 5002-1
14. MEDICAL CATEGORY. THE MIN MEDICAL STANDARD FOR ENTRY INTO ACISS
AND FOR CONTINUED PROGRESSION WITHIN THE OCC WILL BE 423225
15. SECURITY CLEARANCE. SECURITY CLEARANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE
ACISS OCCUPATION WILL BE LEVEL III. SOME JOBS MAY REQUIRE A HIGHER
LEVEL IN ORDER TO SUPPORT SPECIFIC JOB REQUIREMENTS OR THE LOCATION
WHERE THE WORK IS BEING PERFORMED
16. BRANCH AFFILIATION AND DEU. THE ACISS OCCUPATION WILL BE
ASSOCIATED WITH THE COMMUNICATION AND ELECTRONICS BRANCH AND CLS
WILL BE THE OCC AUTH. DEU FOR ALL PERSONNEL WILL BE ARMY
ENVIRONMENTAL
17. RECORDS/HRMS. BOTH AUTOMATED AND HARD COPY OF PERSONNEL RECORDS
WILL REQUIRE UPDATING AS A RESULT OF THIS IP
18. SUMMARY OF COSTS. THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS MES IP WILL BE
ABSORBED WITHIN EXISTING ANNUAL BUDGETS. RECRUITING SUPPORT PRODUCTS
WILL BE FUNDED BY ADM(PA)/DGM/DMA
19. PUBLICATION AMENDMENTS. PUBLICATION AMENDMENTS WILL BE CARRIED
OUT DURING REGULAR PERIODIC UPDATES
 
Only 2 years after they originally wanted to stand it up they finally have an official date. By the time they make a decision on spec pay I'll either be promoted high enough that I won't get it, or I'll be retired.
 
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