Anyone else to forget to vote?
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Gunnar
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I wasn't saying I'd vote multiple times as ME. I could vote in the morning as Dad, afternoon as brother, evening as myself. Say that brother is on a business trip, and dad is getting senile. You don't check my ID, you don't stop me from doing it. Hell, if my sister is named "Kelly" or "Robin" or even "Kim" I might get away with voting as her too. Provided I get different scrutineers, or don't have a memorable face, I think it could be done. So I think you should check ID.
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I think I see where infanteer's point lies,
unfortunately, since mandatory military service for politicians is not particularly likely, I'd settle for the prime minister and/or minister of defence being forced to shuttle around in a Canadian Sea King (much like the American Marine One). As well, the M of D should make regular trips to combat areas, so that his personal safety depends on CF equipment on a weekly basis, so that the plight/concerns of the military can be expressed more personally to the leaders and decision-makers.
unfortunately, since mandatory military service for politicians is not particularly likely, I'd settle for the prime minister and/or minister of defence being forced to shuttle around in a Canadian Sea King (much like the American Marine One). As well, the M of D should make regular trips to combat areas, so that his personal safety depends on CF equipment on a weekly basis, so that the plight/concerns of the military can be expressed more personally to the leaders and decision-makers.
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Gunnar said:
Ok, I see what you're saying. Yes, you might get by doing that, but if you're all at the same address, then you'll all be voting at the exact same table, with the exact same two people working it (yes, they're there the entire day). With a couple hundred people voting you might sneak by once if you get lucky, but by the third time at least one of the two would catch on. Some of us in the training session were wondering about how trusting the system is, and got the response that until the system is abused it will remain trusting. So yes you could try, but with each poll having a blank warrant for arrest with them just waiting to be filled out why risk it?
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I like it! Make sure that they only get one each. If it's broken then they have to wait like everyone else - no pulling rank to get a substitute that someone else needs for training etc. For driving around they have to use a MLVW ;D
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I almost missed my chance. I got called for an overtime shift [1900-0700 ] mid-afternoon. I went for a small nap, supper and then halfway to work it hits me...oh shite......and voting is one of my things you must do. I get to work and call my wife immediately and she knows right away why I called. I tell her to take my card when she goes and the cell phone and call me from the polling station so I can try to get her to cast my ballot. I was thinking this probably wouldn't work but it was my only shot. Lo and behold not only do they let her vote but they don't even need to hear from me. The small-town mentality I guess. Oh and one more thing, no vote is a wasted vote! Just like sports sometimes your not on the winning team but that doesn't mean the game meant nothing.
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I never advocated universal service. If someone wants to earn the sovereign estate, they should have to earn it through a term of service in the public good (not necessarily the military).
I think some author wrote a story like that before.... ;D
I think some author wrote a story like that before.... ;D
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For the record, Bruce got lucky. Nobody except you is alowed to vote in your name, so don't count on this working. I guess small town mentality beats Elections Canada in this case though 
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Reading through all these I wonder.. Why the hell is the military the only part of Canadian society that has intelligent people in it?
SFontaine, hmmm... I can't agree with you.. those who are joining don't get a pill of intelligence when they swear in.. they must be intelligent before!! 
And I'm sure the army is like any other company, there's always some people who are not as smart as you.. but they try to work, and if they were all smarter than you, you would be the dumb one.. not a good thing.. :
Think about it...
And I'm sure the army is like any other company, there's always some people who are not as smart as you.. but they try to work, and if they were all smarter than you, you would be the dumb one.. not a good thing.. :
Think about it...
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The military is the only profession with intelligent people in it because they are still operating (mostly) on the gold standard of ability. How you feel about war and your comrades is irrelevant when you're being shot at. If you're ineffective, people die. Military training forces you to think, and basic, from what I understand, is designed to break you of bad habits and get you back on that standard: ability. I'm a civilian. I talk a good game, but I could probably use some of that training myself.
You know how all the people with incredibly stupid beliefs hang out at universities, so they don't have to face the real-world consequences of their idiotic ideas? Hard-core feminazis, Marxists and the like? Well, to a lesser extent "modern society" has become that kind of refuge for people who don't want to think. According to modern philosphy, nobody is ever responsible for the consequences of their actions, and any "bad" action they take is the result of their upbringing, race or how they *feel*. Our social umbrella (and the modern conveniences of civilization provided by those who still weigh the consequences of their actions) allows such people to continue in their deluded little world, while rough men stand ready to defend them....rough men these types now feel are outmoded dinosaurs of the past which are no longer necessary.
Someone on this site has a cool quote about democracy in Athens, and how the freedom they wanted was freedom from responsibility, which when they got it, killed their democracy. It's true.
You know how all the people with incredibly stupid beliefs hang out at universities, so they don't have to face the real-world consequences of their idiotic ideas? Hard-core feminazis, Marxists and the like? Well, to a lesser extent "modern society" has become that kind of refuge for people who don't want to think. According to modern philosphy, nobody is ever responsible for the consequences of their actions, and any "bad" action they take is the result of their upbringing, race or how they *feel*. Our social umbrella (and the modern conveniences of civilization provided by those who still weigh the consequences of their actions) allows such people to continue in their deluded little world, while rough men stand ready to defend them....rough men these types now feel are outmoded dinosaurs of the past which are no longer necessary.
Someone on this site has a cool quote about democracy in Athens, and how the freedom they wanted was freedom from responsibility, which when they got it, killed their democracy. It's true.
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Well, I guess I'd better call Mensa and tell them their place as the hangout for the gifted has been taken by the CF. :
There are tons of stupid people in the military! Thousands of them! We have our share of geniuses too, but to claim that the army is the world's last bastion of brilliance is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. No, not everyone at a university is brilliant either, but I'll take the dumbest guy at any university you care to name over the dumbest guy in the CF every single time.
There are tons of stupid people in the military! Thousands of them! We have our share of geniuses too, but to claim that the army is the world's last bastion of brilliance is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. No, not everyone at a university is brilliant either, but I'll take the dumbest guy at any university you care to name over the dumbest guy in the CF every single time.
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I said it was the only profession with intelligent people in it...I didn't say they were ALL intelligent. But you're right of course....Let's just say that it is a profession which encourages people to use what intelligence they have.
Person A is CF, person B is not. Both are equally intelligent. But you'll get more BANG! for the buck (yeah, I know) from the CF trained person. He is expected to think, and be responsible and will therefore be most likely to provide a consistent response. Person B may not be as consistent.
Of course, stupid and/or clumsy is not possible to train away.
So, what I said isn't exactly what I meant. Sorry.
Person A is CF, person B is not. Both are equally intelligent. But you'll get more BANG! for the buck (yeah, I know) from the CF trained person. He is expected to think, and be responsible and will therefore be most likely to provide a consistent response. Person B may not be as consistent.
Of course, stupid and/or clumsy is not possible to train away.
So, what I said isn't exactly what I meant. Sorry.
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People are made of what they have been through - what they have experienced. Joe Potato is going to be more informed if he has seen the world first hand, gone through hellish training missions, etc. than his friend John Doe if all John Doe has done is lived in his parent's basement and his only view on the larger world is what the news media feeds him every evening at 6 o'clock.
Unfortunately there are many people in this country, young and old, who do nothing, live in their parents basement, collect welfare, and get their food from food banks. Guess what party most of those people are going to vote for? You guessed it - the NDP.
Many young people especially, have done dick all and expect the sky from the government - university tuition, subsidized housing, universal health care etc and think about nobody but themselves.
On the other hand, most people who vote right wing(ie Conservative) know that there are other people out there, not just themselves and we should be thankful we live in freedom and democracy rather than demanding every last possible luxury imaginable.
It seems contrary to what most textbooks teach, but I think Conservatives are the ones who care about the rest of the people while Socialists are self-centered spoiled brats.
Just my opinion. This and a quarter will get you a phone call.
Unfortunately there are many people in this country, young and old, who do nothing, live in their parents basement, collect welfare, and get their food from food banks. Guess what party most of those people are going to vote for? You guessed it - the NDP.
Many young people especially, have done dick all and expect the sky from the government - university tuition, subsidized housing, universal health care etc and think about nobody but themselves.
On the other hand, most people who vote right wing(ie Conservative) know that there are other people out there, not just themselves and we should be thankful we live in freedom and democracy rather than demanding every last possible luxury imaginable.
It seems contrary to what most textbooks teach, but I think Conservatives are the ones who care about the rest of the people while Socialists are self-centered spoiled brats.
Just my opinion. This and a quarter will get you a phone call.
I couldn't vote. I was out of town visiting my sister (originally, I was going to go up the monday after I voted, but I had to leave on the Sunday because of some schedualling conflicts). So, I missed the advanced polls and didn't see that I could have voted by phone or something like that untill the tuesday after.
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