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Technoviking said:So, they lie? Putting things into context that fits your own point of view is called persuasion.
Yes. They lie. Putting things into a context that fit your own point of view is persuasion, perhaps, but not when you omit the remaining facts that totally undermine your argument. In the case of Rush, well, he just outright lies, profusely. And about stupid things too. I wonder when he's moving to Costa Rica, the idiot.
Technoviking said:Here we go. G W Bush started 9/11, caused AIDS and all things bad. There is no move afoot by Ms. Coulter to force a theocracy on us. Or by the others for that matter. I suppose that I don't realise that I'm being fed a steady diet of bullshit then. Well, pardon me whilst I go back to the south bound end of this north bound bull and get another spoon ful{/quote]
There's no move afoot by her, but there is a definite movement afoot! Are you not familiar with the Texas State Board Of Education and its impact of textbooks in the United States? That its members seek to put creationism in science curricula? That it seeks to essentially rewrite US history? There are people that try to claim that the Founding Fathers of the United States wanted the USA to be a "Christian Nation". Which is odd, since none of them ever said so, and the Constitution seems to be rather thoroughly against it, several of them outright made statements to the contrary. They are interested in writing Thomas Jefferson, the most important secularist of the bunch, more or less out of history. Traditonally, they've been checked by California's massive market and more liberal approach, but these ultraconservative nuts, who aren't historians, economists, scientists are manipulating the curriculum to suit their conservative POV. It's extremely disturbing indeed. Have a read. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html
As for the other nonsense, I don't even know where you're getting that. Unless you're suggesting I'm claiming the opinions of nuts on the left is any better. Which, of course, I'm not. But if you listen to Rush, yes, I think you're being fed a steady diet of bull. I expect that you have the critical thinking skills to see that, however, and that you are able to discount the noise. However, since the signal:noise ratio is so low, I don't get why you'd bother in the first place.
Technoviking said:Yeah, she's over the top. So is Borat (or whatever his name is). Michael Moore is another of Ms. Coulter's vein, but he gets Oscars, and Ms. Coulter is first reminded of freedom of speech laws, and then is muzzled. Now that is comedy! But I disagree that suggesting someone from the middle east ride a camel is bigotry. Have you ever been to the Middle East? I have. I've seen them riding camels and donkeys. But, you're right, it was inflammatory, equally so to the loaded question asked of her. To be fair, the 17 year old moslem student could have retorted "My camel was stopped at customs, so can I borrow your broom?"
Borat's a comedy act, and makes no pretense about being actual commentary, totally irrelevant. Moore, well, I'm not really a fan of his... except the movie Sicko to a large degree, mainly because he seems to have avoided the depth of manipulation he used in other films - it has much more to say. But even at that I took it with a massive grain of salt.
As for muzzling, there was no muzzling. Coulter and her promoters and security people cancelled the event, not uOttawa. The massive crowd of protestors that likely contributed to that decision, well, I'll refer you to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Personally, I'd rather people like her keep speaking so that their drivel can be discussed (and mocked) publicly, rather than be passed in the shadows.
I've not been to the Middle East, no. And yes, I'm quite certain they do ride camels and donkeys. Making a factual statement "People in the Middle East ride camels or donkeys" is not an offensive, inflammatory, or bigoted statement. When it's put in the context of what Coulter actually said, however, it becomes so. The statement was made in response to a question about Coulter's (idiotic) suggestion that Muslims shouldn't be allowed on planes, suggesting they use flying carpets instead. When a young Muslim women who didn't own a flying carpet asked how Coulter proposed she travel, that's when she said "Ride a camel." If you don't find that remotely offensive, I'm honestly shocked. And that's not even among the most inflammatory things she's said.