That isn’t at all what he was getting at.We don't get a union, this is a close to fighting for more as we can get. Having unionized public sector employees come in here and tell us to be content with what we are given is frankly ridiculous...
That isn’t at all what he was getting at.We don't get a union, this is a close to fighting for more as we can get. Having unionized public sector employees come in here and tell us to be content with what we are given is frankly ridiculous...
No....you have it better, you'll never have to lose a day's pay to get your raises, the PS Union takes that chance for you.We don't get a union, this is a close to fighting for more as we can get. Having unionized public sector employees come in here and tell us to be content with what we are given is frankly ridiculous...
Thank you for your service.No....you have it better, you'll never have to lose a day's pay to get your raises, the PS Union takes that chance for you.
It takes impressive mental gymnastics to be cool with your union fighting for as much as they can get, but wanting the CAF to be "responsible" with public funds.
We don't get a union, this is a close to fighting for more as we can get. Having unionized public sector employees come in here and tell us to be content with what we are given is frankly ridiculous...
No....you have it better, you'll never have to lose a day's pay to get your raises, the PS Union takes that chance for you.
The CAF has largely lost the ability or desire to build and operate Single Quarters for trained personnel. The CAF struggles to do so even for untrained personnel. This puts us out of synch with our closest partners, the UK and the US, who still believe in the value of barracks and mess halls, albeit sometimes rather dismal and squalid barracks and mess halls.When I joined (I know...I know...) it was mandatory for me to reside in the barracks and eat in the mess. And when I wanted to move out, I had to request permission in writing to my chain of command demonstrating I could afford it in order to be granted authorization to move out of the barracks...
This is after all, the same Government that gave $billions away for people to fo nothing for months on end not even a couple of years ago.
The sums we are talking here is chump change.
$30 million.... that's a drop in the Ocean of Government Largesse.
They did it for Golden Captains in the pilot mosid…nothing fundamentally keeping them from doing it in other stressed (soon/likely to be stressed) mosids as well…I think youre right. I think many folks would pick geographic stability work life balance over progression. But we don't encourage people to be "Golden Corporals". I would love to a Dept full of good GCs. They are worth their weight in gold.
…it’s only $15,000,000,000 they’re not bothered to recover… you could only look after the CAF CFHD thing (…does some math…) 500 times over, with that kind of cash.
They did it for Golden Captains in the pilot mosid…nothing fundamentally keeping them from doing it in other stressed (soon/likely to be stressed) mosids as well…
How do you incentivize becoming a leader if people can just stay on the tools, make more money than a MCpl/Sgt, and never deal with the BS?Is there room to delink advanced technical training from supervisory functions? Maybe a separate branch of ranks/appointments for those not supervising or administering troops outside of strictly technical (eg work-on-the-plane) contexts? Let good techs just tech and still have career and salary growth without burdening them with administrative jobs that probably are a less than ideal use of their time anyway, or personnel management for which they may not be temperamentally suited?
This was essentially done with Captain pilots. Don’t have the link to current pay scales ATM, but check them out and you’ll see that someone can be good at a technical expert level with less focus on supervisory tasks (other than Commanding an aircraft, per the NDA, of course).Is there room to delink advanced technical training from supervisory functions? Maybe a separate branch of ranks/appointments for those not supervising or administering troops outside of strictly technical (eg work-on-the-plane) contexts? Let good techs just tech and still have career and salary growth without burdening them with administrative jobs that probably are a less than ideal use of their time anyway, or personnel management for which they may not be temperamentally suited?
Shrug dunno. I think the US has something like that, but I don’t know how it works and I could easily be wrong. Just spitballing.How do you incentivize becoming a leader if people can just stay on the tools, make more money than a MCpl/Sgt, and never deal with the BS?
I'm sure it's not impossible, but like CAFHD, the solutions will create more issues. It might also raise some questions about the current Officer Snr NCM pay gap, particularly given the number of degreed NCMs, and the continuing push for Snr NCMs to get degrees.
That's sort of like what the RAF does withIs there room to delink advanced technical training from supervisory functions? Maybe a separate branch of ranks/appointments for those not supervising or administering troops outside of strictly technical (eg work-on-the-plane) contexts? Let good techs just tech and still have career and salary growth without burdening them with administrative jobs that probably are a less than ideal use of their time anyway, or personnel management for which they may not be temperamentally suited?
How do you incentivize becoming a leader if people can just stay on the tools, make more money than a MCpl/Sgt, and never deal with the BS?
I'm sure it's not impossible, but like CAFHD, the solutions will create more issues. It might also raise some questions about the current Officer Snr NCM pay gap, particularly given the number of degreed NCMs, and the continuing push for Snr NCMs to get degrees.
Maybe they want the job of the WO?If they want to have a degree then can send me to school for it. I'm not doing it on my time.
Your point is 100% valid. Why progress if you will essentially get no pay raise from MCpl to WO ? But have all the added responsibility.
Maybe they want the job of the WO?
I know that 17 years ago, if the recruiting centre had recommended the I go an NCM route for more money (say as a Line Technician, or NCIOP), I would have passed and still gone MARS. Unless, you know, it was A LOT more money. Like, a lot.
I've been extremely satisfied with the type and variety of work I've done as an NWO. Though I have worked with my fair share of assholes, the community has not turned out to be be anywhere near what many made it out to be when I first joined. I don't think I've ever been "bladed".That actually surprises me. MARS is a monster.
I started as a MARS officer (before the renaming). While I don't think I would have stayed in if I didn't OT, I still think those years were formative.That actually surprises me. MARS is a monster.
Would you feel the same way if from Lt basic to Cdr you barely received an increase in pay? As it currently stands, the difference between Lt basic to Lt PI10($2366) is greater than the pay difference between a Cpl basic and WO PI4($1853).Maybe they want the job of the WO?
I know that 17 years ago, if the recruiting centre had recommended the I go an NCM route for more money (say as a Line Technician, or NCIOP), I would have passed and still gone MARS. Unless, you know, it was A LOT more money. Like, a lot.