OldSoldier said:One question: Who (which country) owns the 25 m range? I've never been to KAF.
Like most things in KAF, it is a multinational and multi-organizational responsibility.
OldSoldier said:One question: Who (which country) owns the 25 m range? I've never been to KAF.
dapaterson said:So here's a question: if someone has an ND with a weapon their CoC did not ensure they were familiar with - where all does the fault lie? The soldier who had the ND? The supervisors who didn't ensure he was familiar with it? The training system that didn't deliver the needed training?
Bruce Monkhouse said:One retired officer who led Canadian troops in Bosnia said in his six-month command of 1,700 soldiers, there were only a couple of negligent discharges.
dapaterson said:Gee, a peacekeeping mission, with much less ammunition and less training in advance with blank and live ammo. You think there would be fewer incidents, perhaps?
40below: An individual is responsible for their actions. But their CoC is responsible to ensure their subordinates are properly trained. If, as is alleged, this individual had not handled a pistol for 10 years, and was not provided with refresher training or validation prior to deployment then those above him should also face administrative or disciplinary action - they failed in their duty to prepare their subordinates. As I recall, there were two instances (one witness to the second ND (through the door of a vehicle) even quoted him as saying "Oh no, not again!").
dapaterson said:Gee, a peacekeeping mission, with much less ammunition and less training in advance with blank and live ammo. You think there would be fewer incidents, perhaps?
dapaterson said:Gee, a peacekeeping mission, with much less ammunition and less training in advance with blank and live ammo. You think there would be fewer incidents, perhaps?
meni0n said:Now, does anyone remember how much did the 105mm ND at MSG cost?
Mid Aged Silverback said:THAT does not surprise me. I've seen examples of people who were to never command troops again....be posted to greater leadership roles....and they were still right out of it.
:rage:
noneck said:Don't I know it...I worked for a certain Gork "The Dork" in C Coy in 93. I am sure you know him Middle Aged Silverback.
40below said:There was a court martial in 2004 (I think that was the year, I'd have to look for it) but it involved an ND at Camp Julian and a Browning 9mm. The captain charged argued that it had been 10 years since he had handled or received training in his sidearm, had no confidence in his ability to use the weapon and had actually tried to turn it in to his COC in theatre but was refused. He was a left-hand shot also, and that figured in somehow. I'm sure one of you folks can dig up the judgement because it's posted, but he was found entirely guilty of the ND.
Between April 1, 2008, and March 31, 2009, there were 400 convictions for negligent weapon discharges. So far in this recording year, there have been 229 such incidents.
Petamocto said:Has anyone one here been on the receiving end of small arms instruction in St Jean recently? Care to comment?
Petamocto said:However, has anyone connected a potential link between an increase in NDs and the use of civilians weapons instructors on training bases?
Has anyone one here been on the receiving end of small arms instruction in St Jean recently? Care to comment?