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Afghanistan: Lessons Learned (merged)

The C-9 rail systems 'should' now be issued once you get there. If not, hit up some Americans, they will fix you up. The guys we RIP'd with actually set us up with that gear. Get a few of their patrol ammo holders as well. Dont ditch the scope off the C-9, my boys needed it all the time.

stay safe
 
You suggest me to keep the scope on the C9... well im gonna take thise suggestion very seriously since you know what your talking about. But didnt you say that most of your combat where at 50 m or less. I always found it easyer to quickly aquire the targets with the iron sights then with the scope, specialy at short range. So far, Ive alwasy been doing good with the iron sights even at medium range.  But Im taking it very seriously and Im looking forward for your answer on this question.
 
RHFC_piper said:
Anyway, I think camouflaging of rifles is a great idea, if done carefully... 
http://www.militarymorons.com/weapons/ar.misc.html#marpat

It's doable... And pretty nice result
 
Alex, you can have stuff shipped to the APO even if you are at PRT. The way it works is our posties pick it up there and then they will stick it in the PRT bag, so when a convoy comes through to pick up shit you will get your mail. Also talk to the guys in the Force Protection Pl because they come through PRT much more often. If you can hook up a buddy there you can generally get him to pick up your mail and throw it in one of their wagons before they leave, thus getting your mail much faster. When I was at prt my mail was averaging 40 days to get into my hands through the Canadian system and about 20 through the american system. Hope this helps
 
The benifit to the scope was the ability to hard assess potential targets with clarity. Prior to a TIC in Panjawi one of my C-9 gunners was scoping a spot for about 20s when I asked him what he saw

'dude with pkm, 200m'.............game on

although the bulk of our fighting was very close, your instinctive shooting reflexis will kick in and you will be fine. Timmie is a tricksy bugger, and that scope will be a big help finding him. Now, if you want to take turns in certain areas using the ironsight, between you and your other C-9 gunner that works too. My boys did that from time to time.

Go with what you are comfy with, you may change your mind after a few TIC's. We quickly realized fighting was a constant evolution and we learned new things every time. The fight where you stop learning, is the fight where you start losing.

 
To add more to BDS, i used an iron flip site on my C8, but there were times i used the C79. I fell on my head and got a pair of small binos, so i wouldn't have to place my C79 on my weapon all the time.
 
I think that the solution to this problem is pretty sipmle. Ill make sure my iron sight is always zeroed before I put on my C79 to zero it also. But there is a thing Im not sur of. Is the C79 stable enough for me to zero it, mark the spot on the rail so that I always put it on the same place, and then remove it to put it into my pocket. And lets say, put it back later in a fight and still be more or less on target. Its not a c7 so no need to be bulls eyes. And I can adjust my fire according on the tracers and the impact on the ground. This way, it will give me much more flexibility, and Im going to be able to go from one to the other according to the situation, should I need to fight multiple TIC, like a urban operation and, 2 hours later a ambush where the Timmies are like 300m away from my position. Anyway, thanks for your reply its going to be very helpfull for me and for those who rely on me to provide some firepower.
 
http://www.operationparts.com/knights-armament.html

Only company that I know that has M249 RAS in stock...FWIW you will likely need it to be shipped to the APO.

The HATTON breaching round is NOT a Slug nor Buck -
  It is a powedered Lead and Ceramix mix -- that destoys the lock/hinge -- while reducing richochette or "splash" off the impact.
Problems is outside UOIC and CANSOF - no one on the CF knows about it -- and conventional units mistakenly beleife they can easily and safely breach with Slugs (Danger Will Robinson Danger


 
Infidel-6 said:
The HATTON breaching round is NOT a Slug nor Buck -
  It is a powedered Lead and Ceramix mix -- that destoys the lock/hinge -- while reducing richochette or "splash" off the impact.
Problems is outside UOIC and CANSOF - no one on the CF knows about it --
and just TRY to order the fucking thing  ::)
 
talk to Morpheus32 -- he not only knows about it -- but is trying to get it to you.
  The best method I found currently (for deployed guys) is to mooch them from friends deployed in units that have them...
 
Infidel-6 said:
talk to Morpheus32 -- he not only knows about it -- but is trying to get it to you.
  The best method I found currently (for deployed guys) is to mooch them from friends deployed in units that have them...
yeah, that's how we got some in my Platoon for Roto 0.
 
PhilB said:
Alex, you can have stuff shipped to the APO even if you are at PRT. The way it works is our posties pick it up there and then they will stick it in the PRT bag, so when a convoy comes through to pick up crap you will get your mail. Also talk to the guys in the Force Protection Pl because they come through PRT much more often. If you can hook up a buddy there you can generally get him to pick up your mail and throw it in one of their wagons before they leave, thus getting your mail much faster. When I was at prt my mail was averaging 40 days to get into my hands through the Canadian system and about 20 through the american system. Hope this helps

Actualy, Force Protection Pl are those protecting the reconstruction team? If they are... well thats what Im gonna do. But anyway, I think there is a way to get it shipped directly to Nathan Smith. Anyway, I have a feeling that the departure will be later. Were supposed to be leaving on December 4th, which is next monday, and Ive got no news about it yet.
 
From my tour the Force Protection Pl was doing convoy escorts to and from PRT and on convoys out and about to FOB's. Now I dont know what force protection at PRT will be doing, dont discount doing gate, but who knows. As far as getting stuff shipped directly to PRT it is not possible. All mail comes in from Canada on a herc, is sorted and then distributed. If you are at PRT you will get your mail through the re sup convoy from KAF.

We dont have our own airlift and as such we cant fly stuff to PRT, road is the only way. It takes a while. With the APO address it is the same deal. It comes in from the U.S. on a globe master. Gets sorted by the yanks and then sent out. Sorry buds, mail takes a long time at PRT.
 
Well... I kinda figured that out. I dont expect anything to be in my hands before at least 3 - 4 weeks. They told us we'd be mostly doing convoy escort. But could also do some Gate. And I expect to be working with the RCR there on some occasion also.
 
Don't sweat it. You're right. 'Nuff said. Let's move on.

I'm interested in seeing more 'Lessons' from infanteers who've been to Afghanistan posted in this thread. Anyone care to keep contributing? I'm particularly intersted in anything we can do in training here to prepare people better for pre-deployment selection or ops in country. Especially the things we don't normally think about until it's too late. First aid and caseveac? Fitness training? Coy level int considerations? Coy/Bn Ops room stuff? Vehicle preparation? Tips for kit prep? etc etc etc. Obviously, all within the bounds of op sec.

Thanks Afghan vets. This is all pure gold dust!

 
Good to see the discussion moving along - I've cleaned it up a bit; lets stay on topic.
 
Not Afghanistan, but relevant none the less:

http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2006/12/fallujah-tactics-in-urban-warfare.html
http://www.battlefront.com/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=52;t=000345;p=0

11 December 2006
Fallujah: Tactics in Urban Warfare

My son recently dug up an interesting read about the infantry tactics used during Operation Phantom Fury, the Battle for Fallujah. I recall listening to predictions of a bloodbath; an American bloodbath, just before the assault. In fact, US forces made history, and no matter what happens to Iraq in the end, Operation Phantom Fury will go down as one of the greatest successes in urban warfare… ever. 92 Americans died, 500 were wounded, and about 5000 insurgents were killed in the clearing of an entire city.

The whole Piece can be found HERE. For those who aren’t into reading the entire thing, some excerpts are given below:

The layout of the city is random. Zoning distinguishing between residential, business, and industrial is non-existent. An infantry squad could be clearing a house and next door may be clearing a slaughterhouse or furniture wood shop… The streets are narrow and are generally lined by walls. The walls channelize the squad and do not allow for standard immediate action drills when contact is made …The houses are densely packed in blocks. The houses touch or almost touch the adjacent houses to the sides and rear. This enables the insurgents to escape the view of Marine over-watch positions. The houses also are all made of brick with a thick covering of mortar overtop.

The two types of insurgents that the squads are engaging will be labeled the Guerrillas and the Martyrs … The Guerillas … purpose is to kill many Marines quickly and then evade. They DO NOT want to die. The Martyrs purpose is to kill as many Marines as possible before they are killed.

An infantry squad can assault structures using two different methods. Traditionally, the top down assault is taught as being the most ideal method for clearing a structure. Realistically, this may not be the best option for the infantry squad …Surprising the enemy by moving from the top down may throw the enemy off balance. The enemy's defenses may not be prepared for a top down assault and the squad could overwhelm the enemy rapidly. (In the bottom up method) … the squad leader has a slew of options when contact is made. The structure does not have to be flooded. Momentum can be maintained in assaulting or breaking contact and the squad leader can switch rapidly from one to the other relatively quickly.

CASUALTIES MUST NEVER BE LEFT BEHIND! The squad leader must ensure that every Marine moves with a buddy. Each buddy is responsible for pulling the other out of the fight if he goes down. The squad leader and fire team leaders must have accountability for all their Marines at all times. There is no excuse for Marines being left behind in a building while the squad pulls out.

Throughout contemporary American military history there has not been any opponent that could not be overwhelmed by American supporting arms. The United States Marine Corps has historically been an innovator with the employment of supporting arms … Fallujah has been another proving ground for American supporting arms. The insurgents were completely overwhelmed by the massive indirect fire and close air support on the first two days of the battle.

Fixed wing CAS is an enormous weapon that has great effects on the ground. The major problem with it is the amount of time it takes to get bombs on target. It took entirely too long for bombs to be dropped when Marines were in contact … In contrast to fixed wing CAS, rotary wing CAS was extremely timely, but the effects on target were not extraordinary. The Hellfire missiles used did not bring down entire structures, but they did do some damage … By far the best two supporting arms used were tanks and CAAT … The battle would have been incredibly bloodier if it hadn't been for tanks and CAAT.
 
Hey Boondock,

well done on the threads and keepin it real for everyone else. you and i prolly shared the same BAT tent and ate to many hard rats in FOB Marshmellow. All those who are reading and replying boondock was there and spot on with the S**T. In one of the threads I was reading about the issue day bags. So true they suck. Big point here for the guys going for their first tour. Don't be a hero pack what you can carry and get used to drinking hot water in 60 deg weather. Air conditioning tubes in the back of the lav keep it cool though. Oh remember JDAMS kick butt. Just make you are sure of your grids.

REDDEVILS
 
WE ditched the Elcrap ASAP most preferring to use other optics (ACOG, Aimpoint w/magnifier,EOtech,etc) The C79 is junk pure and simple and not trusted by most users,despite the fact we are now on Gen III or IV the scope will not hold it's zero in particular when exposed to the fine powery sand which caused the elevaion "wheel' to jam and strip. 99% of our targets engaged were within 300m of those 90% were spotted on thermal or optic from the LAV before  we saw and identified them. The LAV should not be sent off to do it's thing it belongs with or near the section as much as possible to deliver direct fire on the enemy.If it cannot enter with the troops t should be deployed with the other section LAVs in as close support as possible with direct comms,remember a LAV will go through ..as in drive..most walled compounds out there.
  The 60mm,C6 are the biggest bad guy killers in the Platoon next to the LAV the C9 Gunner & rifleman's job is to protect these weapons do not let your chain of command forget that. Arty is your friend , we called it to within 70m but A/C bombs need 300m of safe distance (less if you are under cover) 81mm Illum is better than 155mm Illum and can get there faster and stay longer. The UAV has saved lives, get one on station if you can .
The issued IR flashers (VIPER and TAG) cannot be seen from A/C or Helis in most cases, make sure you deploy with a ACR MS 2000 IR Strobe as it will be seen by everyone (incl the bad guys). We found that the bad guys had access to passive NVD of some type,so treat the PAC 4A and PEQ2 use to a minimum and treat white light and laser Negligent Dischargess as just that.
  Enforce the warrior mindset and maintain it at all times when deployed out of the wire, be prepared for anything at anytime, you can relax in KAF.
 
 
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