I believe I was quite clear when I pointed out that the perpetuated units of the War of 1812 were those that existed solely between 1812 and 1815. I even directed you to the online source document for that.
Thank you for pointing this out, I found it very helpful, but your conclusion is
not entirely correct.
Would you be referring to;
‘The War of 1812 Canadian Awards Sorted by Current Units (BG 12.052 - September 25, 2012)’, under the column titled;
‘Canadian Historic Unit Perpetuated or British Historic Unit being Commemorated ?
I will grant you that some of the Sedentary Militia Units ‘called-out’ during the war were war-raised; as in; “8th Battalion, Select Embodied Militia”; “1st Lotbinière Division”; “Battalion of Incorporated Militia of Upper Canada”; etc. These were Units that were formed from members of the Sedentary Militia Units, either volunteers or (to use a modern term) draftees.
On your web page of Canadian Battle Honours; War of 1812; I noticed that you added the dates in brackets, as in (1812-1815) after every Sedentary Militia Unit that was ‘called-out’ for active duty during the war. However, you failed to add these same bracketed dates after every war-raised Unit. Possibly this is the Government’s err that you followed.
If so, this is a
comprehensive, but mixed, list of both ‘war-raised’ and ‘Sedentary Militia’ Units. You will have to search the various histories of these Units to understand what I mean by this.
As for any (Sedentary) Militia Units that fought in the War of 1812, about
two-thirds of those listed were war-raised Units, during the war and speedily disbanded in 1815. But, about
one-third of these Units, were Units of the Sedentary Militia, who were ‘called-out’, from time to time, during the war, and
‘stood -down’ in 1815, but, they continued to be in existence, until they were officially abolished in 1950.
Again, I stress and maintain that due to their abolishment (effectively in 1904 and officially in 1950)
there was no lineage after 1950, to any unit raised after 1855 (the present Regular and Reserve Army.
What the Government
‘manufactured’ in 2012, was the
‘perpetuations’ (using coincidence of geography) of most of these Units, to Units that exist to-day, and, as you well know,
perpetuation never involves ‘lineage’.
Michael, I believe that we have both misunderstood each other, as well as, misunderstood the published material and source documents. The dates of Reply #250 are (as you admitted) real dates and the comments, have not been interpreted to enhance my case, but are the various authors, comments.
There is no issue of lineage continuity such as you continue to try to proclaim.
Reply #250 clearly states, that the Sedentary Militia, which fought in the War of 1812, was
officially abolished in 1950. I’ve known that, since day one, and I never said anything to the contrary, nor even proclaimed it as fact. There is
no unit of the Sedentary Militia that has a lineage to the present Regular or Reserve Army of to-day.
……. having others give up in frustration does not mean you are correct.
No,
I do not want to win anything, especially by default. All I am after is the
truth of the matter and this seems to be sadly lacking in many areas. I could be wrong in some or all of my conclusions, but please, do not say that I am wrong without verifiable proof. Please point out where I went astray and why I am in error.
Thank you, Michael, for all the help you have been, to me and all others, on this thread.
vaya con Dios
John
