Walts, posers & wannabes (merged)

[Hunter]

Got a question about a potential Walt. Naturally, it relates to pathfinder torches and white leaf jump wings. If Cpl Bloggins earned the wings and torch before releasing and going on to work in emergency services, would he entitled to wear the wings and torch on his dress uniform along with his very impressive rack of medals?

I think I already know the answer, looking for some confirmation.

Thanks!

 

[X Royal]

I believe you will find the dress regulations that would apply to an Emergency Services uniform would be set by the Emergency Service itself. As long as he isn't wearing anything not earned as that would fall under Federal law.

 

[brihard]

Got a question about a potential Walt. Naturally, it relates to pathfinder torches and white leaf jump wings. If Cpl Bloggins earned the wings and torch before releasing and going on to work in emergency services, would he entitled to wear the wings and torch on his dress uniform along with his very impressive rack of medals?

I think I already know the answer, looking for some confirmation.

Thanks!

That would depend, I suppose, on the uniform regs of that particular emergency service. I have seen jump wings on a cop once or twice before- I think it was an officer in Kingston. Never seen one with a pathfinder torch, but then the sample size of pathfinders gone emergency services probably isn't huge. I would suggest that the place to start would be to confirm the bona fides within the pathfinder community. If he earned the qual, then all that's left is someone wearing something on another uniform that you wouldn't normally see. Conversely, if they never did earn the torch and white wings, it would be worth applying some pressure to remedy it.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Is this the dude from Orillia ?

https://www.change.org/p/governor-remove-master-warrant-officer-r-v-fancy-ret-of-membership-in-the-order-of-military-merit?recruiter=549311033&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-reason_msg&fb_ref=Default

Any insight ?

 

[Hunter]

That would depend, I suppose, on the uniform regs of that particular emergency service. I have seen jump wings on a cop once or twice before- I think it was an officer in Kingston. Never seen one with a pathfinder torch, but then the sample size of pathfinders gone emergency services probably isn't huge. I would suggest that the place to start would be to confirm the bona fides within the pathfinder community. If he earned the qual, then all that's left is someone wearing something on another uniform that you wouldn't normally see. Conversely, if they never did earn the torch and white wings, it would be worth applying some pressure to remedy it.

Thanks amigo. Is there anyone here who might be able to help with this discreetly? I can send photos of what looks to me like some serious Walting. I like the guy but I am skeptical of his stories (1RCR then airborne until it disbanded, master sniper, free fall, pathfinder, etc). I would rather know for sure before the torches and pitchforks get pulled out of storage.

 

[Journeyman]

Is this the dude from Orillia ?

https://www.change.org/p/governor-remove-master-warrant-officer-r-v-fancy-ret-of-membership-in-the-order-of-military-merit?recruiter=549311033&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-reason_msg&fb_ref=Default

Any insight ?

The Orillia poser was a Reservist -- Clayton Donoghue (the pic shows a Lincoln & Welland Regt cap badge).  The petition to revoke the OMM refers to MWO (retd) Fancy, formerly RCD. 

I signed the petition.  The precedent for revoking a poser's OMM was correctly established after LCol Miller was found guilty in Kingston; this is no different (except this wasn't Fancy's first offence). 

 

[Remius]

Got a question about a potential Walt. Naturally, it relates to pathfinder torches and white leaf jump wings. If Cpl Bloggins earned the wings and torch before releasing and going on to work in emergency services, would he entitled to wear the wings and torch on his dress uniform along with his very impressive rack of medals?

I think I already know the answer, looking for some confirmation.

Thanks!

His medals, likely. As they fall under the Canadian Honours system.  Again depends on the emergency service dress regs.  Jump wing and torch seem a bit weird though as those are military specific specialist qualifications so I'm not sure.  Doesn't mean he didn't earn them but seems odd that it would be allowed on a non military uniform.  It might be a case of what is allowed and what is tolerated.  As those badges aren't actually medals in the honour system I'm willing to bet that anyone outside the military could wear them legally as decorations or whatever but would incur the wrath and ridicule of others.

 

[George Wallace]

I have several friends in different civilian police forces, who wear their CF medals and Wings.  I agree with the statement made that it will likely boil down to the individual forces' Dress Regs as to what they permit their officers to wear on their Dress uniforms.

 

[Remius]

The guide on when and where to wear such items (or at least medals)  states this:

Individuals wearing a uniform (e.g. military and police officers) should wear their insignia as set out in their
respective regulations

This is from the GG guide on wearing decorations.

 

[expwor]

I remember one instructor on CORP training (basically Correctional Officer basic training) wore jump wings on his Correctional Service uniform
And the Deputy Chief Belleville Police Force wears jump wings on his uniform
http://www.insidebelleville.com/news-story/6133196-police-chief-cory-mackay-announces-retirement-deputy-chief-ron-gignac-to-assume-role/
I don't know if this adds anything to the discussion, but submitted for what it's worth

Tom

 

[mariomike]

I believe you will find the dress regulations that would apply to an Emergency Services uniform would be set by the Emergency Service itself.

Our department blends municipal medals with other medals. I believe Toronto Police and Fire do as well.

My first partner was a '46er. The first time I saw his WW2 medals was at his funeral.

I agree with the statement made that it will likely boil down to the individual forces' Dress Regs as to what they permit their officers to wear on their Dress uniforms.

I remember reading this about a V.C. winner,

"After the war, Topham joined the Toronto police force, and wanted to patrol a beat.
Then-chief John Chisholm ordered him to greet people at headquarters wearing his medals -- or turn in his uniform. Topham resigned and went to work for Toronto Hydro."

 

[The Bread Guy]

HAD to share this one here  >

 

[Journeyman]

HAD to share this one here  >

:rofl:  MilPoints!  :nod:

 

[Good2Golf]

The Orillia poser was a Reservist -- Clayton Donoghue (the pic shows a Lincoln & Welland Regt cap badge).  The petition to revoke the OMM refers to MWO (retd) Fancy, formerly RCD. 

I signed the petition.  The precedent for revoking a poser's OMM was correctly established after LCol Miller was found guilty in Kingston; this is no different (except this wasn't Fancy's first offence).

...although Miller's second offence wasn't her first offence, either.  :nod:

Regards
G2G

 

[ModlrMike]

So my wife and I were out at the True Patriot Love dinner tonight when I spot an LS in high collar whites. That in itself might not have been that surprising, if the dress hadn't been S2 or mess kit, as clearly indicated in the instructions. What was particularly striking about this lad was that not only did he have his ribbons on the wrong side, he had a Special Forces tab on his shoulder... placed above the Canada flash. I was going to engage him, but he seemed to be known by several other uniformed members. Later that evening, an RCR major buttonholed me and asked me, as a naval officer, what I thought. I told him that I thought it highly irregular, but left it at that. I think the good major intended to have more words with him, as it was he who sorted the LS out for his ribbons (gotta love the RCR sense of order).

I have to say this guy just smells wrong to me.

 

[Pieman]

Yes it is a new level of pathetic, especially since the "stolen valor f***er" is the prominent participant in all the other videos put on stupidtube by "Bumm Squad Comedy" (the link to these idiots is included only to show that I did a minimal amount of research to verify if this was actually a "walt" - not as an encouragement to increase the views and thus their revenue - please avoid clicking on the link).  If the posting of the video was to add to the discussion of "stolen valor", then it is a fail.

Ah, I didn't really scrutinize it. Still funny in my books.

 

[medicineman]

So my wife and I were out at the True Patriot Love dinner tonight...

Why don't I hear about these things?

MM

 

[ArmyRick]

Clayton Donohue is wearing the Foresters cap badge in that picture, not a Linc and Well cap badge.

 

[Journeyman]

Clayton Donohue is wearing the Foresters cap badge in that picture, not a Linc and Well cap badge.

~meh~  Militia people all look the same to me.    :stirpot:

 

[Remius]

~meh~  Militia people all look the same to me.    :stirpot:

Clearly you haven't been to RST or a Reseve CBG parade.  No one looks the same.  ;D