US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence

[Jarnhamar]

I’d put that in the influence column.

I looked at Cambridge Dictionary's description of censorship.

the action of preventing part or the whole of a book, film, work of art, document, or other kind of communication from being seen or made available to the public, because it is considered to be offensive or harmful, or because it contains information that someone wishes to keep secret, often for political reasons:

Looks like CBS wanted to prevent in part a form of communication from being seen by the public as it could be harmful (to a narrative) and they wish to keep it secret (hidden) for political reasons.

I think you're right too and the influence column goes hand and hand with this. CBS clearly tried to influence public perception to Harris and I suspect wanted her to look less imbecilic, which plays right into Trumps hands.

 

[QV]

Fabricating the response in an interview to Influence public perception. This is deceit. Par for the course for the DNC/media establishment.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Censorship is ultimately about influence. The main point of denial of information is to shape peoples' judgements and behaviour. Cut-and-splice allows an editor to create a message from pieces, or to exploit an interviewee's "social capital" to sell his own idea.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Likely the majority educated with scientific data would choose a middle of the road view on abortion that would not please either end of the spectrum. Where abortion is allowed up till a certain stage in the pregnancy based on the development of the fetus. Governments are shy on making the fetus a individual, because then if the woman carrying it, is endangering it by her actions, the government would be forced to step in and that could be very ugly. So the fetus might gain a few rights in the womb but would still not be a "child" for legal purposes.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Likely the majority educated with scientific data would choose a middle of the road view on abortion that would not please either end of the spectrum. Where abortion is allowed up till a certain stage in the pregnancy based on the development of the fetus. Governments are shy on making the fetus a individual, because then if the woman carrying it, is endangering it by her actions, the government would be forced to step in and that could be very ugly. So the fetus might gain a few rights in the womb but would still not be a "child" for legal purposes.

Almost all surveys in the US reveal a majority position between "none" and "unlimited". The extreme positions simply aren't popular.

 

[dimsum]

Fabricating the response in an interview to Influence public perception. This is deceit. Par for the course for the DNC/media establishment.

So we’re just not gonna talk about the hypocrisy of Fox doing the same in June to the Trump interview?

 

[dimsum]

Republicans file flurry of lawsuits to challenge ballots from Americans living abroad

GOP members of Congress and the RNC are suing to stop states from counting ballots from voters overseas

www.independent.co.uk

I’m sure deployed military members in certain states will love their ballots not being counted.

 

[dimsum]

What the Arizona GOP’s Surprise Reversal in ‘Noncitizen’ Voting Litigation Reveals

Statistics showed GOP’s proof-of-citizenship clampdown would hurt mostly Republican voters in some instances.

www.justsecurity.org

Oops.

 

[suffolkowner]

Likely the majority educated with scientific data would choose a middle of the road view on abortion that would not please either end of the spectrum. Where abortion is allowed up till a certain stage in the pregnancy based on the development of the fetus. Governments are shy on making the fetus a individual, because then if the woman carrying it, is endangering it by her actions, the government would be forced to step in and that could be very ugly. So the fetus might gain a few rights in the womb but would still not be a "child" for legal purposes.

is there a lot of post 270 day abortions in Canada?

 

[KevinB]

Very interesting article in the Atlantic.

I’m not there yet, but I can see the author’s point.

Confessions of a Republican Exile — The Atlantic

Ideas A longtime conservative, alienated by Trumpism, tries to come to terms with life on the moderate edge of the Democratic Party. October 12, 2024 Politically, I’m a bit of a wanderer . I grew up in a progressive family and was a proud democratic socialist through college. Then, in the...

apple.news

 

[dimsum]

Trump Scraps Town Hall Q+A, Plays Music Videos for Crowd Instead

Former President Donald Trump cut short a town hall in Oaks, Pennsylvania, on Monday after two attendees reportedly passed out.

www.rollingstone.com

wtf?

Also:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/14/trump-criticize-fox-news-kamala-harris-00183614

This will be an interesting interview to watch.

 

[Remius]

Trump Scraps Town Hall Q+A, Plays Music Videos for Crowd Instead

Former President Donald Trump cut short a town hall in Oaks, Pennsylvania, on Monday after two attendees reportedly passed out.

www.rollingstone.com

wtf?

Also:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/14/trump-criticize-fox-news-kamala-harris-00183614

This will be an interesting interview to watch.

Saw that elsewhere…strange.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Very interesting article in the Atlantic.

I’m not there yet, but I can see the author’s point.

Except for a bunch of positions that are as crazy as some of Trump's, he'd be with them. He may have a long wait, since the fringe that he balks at accepting is having a lot of luck determining the main direction of Democratic efforts right now.

 

[OldSolduer]

I will be glad when this election is over and see four more years of infighting in America.

Tis to weep

 

[Brad Sallows]

I will be glad when this election is over and see four more years of infighting in America.

Tis to weep

The US is doomed to infighting as long as the federal government is structured to prevent 51% from easily imposing its rules on the other 49%. Heated political disagreements with occasional violence are preferable to some of what might result from pure majoritarian rule, though. No-one should assume that a "49%" faction would go along with powerlessness quietly.

Those working to change the system to something approximating pure majoritarian rule ought to work harder at getting acceptance of any particular idea to 70% or better instead.

 

[QV]

Biden-Harris DOJ Goes to Bat for Illegal Aliens against Virginians | National Review

The lawsuit against Governor Youngkin’s voter-roll cleanup is shameful.

www.nationalreview.com

There sure is a lot of smoke on the whole vote integrity issue in the US. Are there really US politicians and bureaucrats out there that do not agree protecting electoral integrity is of utmost importance? This should be a shit simple issue to manage if all the players were acting in the national interest, but I don't think they are.

 

[dimsum]

Biden-Harris DOJ Goes to Bat for Illegal Aliens against Virginians | National Review

The lawsuit against Governor Youngkin’s voter-roll cleanup is shameful.

www.nationalreview.com

There sure is a lot of smoke on the whole vote integrity issue in the US. Are there really US politicians and bureaucrats out there that do not agree protecting electoral integrity is of utmost importance? This should be a shit simple issue to manage if all the players were acting in the national interest, but I don't think they are.

In the article, it says the punishment for fraudulently attesting as a citizen to vote. Does the US not have a means of proving that?

I can’t just say that I’m a US citizen (I am not) - they’ll ask for passport, birth certificate, etc.

 

[Blackadder1916]

In the article, it says the punishment for fraudulently attesting as a citizen to vote. Does the US not have a means of proving that?

I can’t just say that I’m a US citizen (I am not) - they’ll ask for passport, birth certificate, etc.

The DOJ's version

Justice Department Sues Virginia for Violating Federal Law’s Prohibition on Systematic Efforts to Remove Voters Within 90 Days of an Election

The Justice Department announced today that it has filed a lawsuit against the State of Virginia, Virginia State Board of Elections and Virginia Commissioner of Elections to challenge a systematic state program aimed at removing voters from its election rolls too close to the Nov. 5 general...

www.justice.gov

https://www.justice.gov/crt/media/1373371/dl

COMPLAINT
The United States of America alleges:
1. Only U.S. citizens are eligible to vote in U.S. federal elections. That fact is not in dispute, and there is no evidence of widespread noncitizen voting in the United States. But that is not what this case is about.

2. This case is about Section 8(c)(2) of the National Voter Registration Act(NVRA), also known as the Quiet Period Provision, which requires states to complete systematic programs intended to remove the names of ineligible voters from registration lists based on failure to meet initial eligibility requirements by no later than 90 days before federal elections. 52 U.S.C. § 20507(c)(2).

3. The Quiet Period Provision helps to mitigate the risk that errors in systematic list maintenance will disenfranchise, confuse, or deter eligible voters by ensuring that they have adequate time to address errors and understand their rights.
. . .

The law that the United States contends Virginia is in violation of is not new. It's been on the books since May 1993.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-107/pdf/STATUTE-107-Pg77.pdf

And they are also suing Alabama for the same thing.

Justice Department Sues Alabama for Violating Federal Law’s Prohibition on Systematic Efforts to Remove Voters Within 90 Days of an Election

The Justice Department announced today that it has filed a lawsuit against the State of Alabama and the Alabama Secretary of State to challenge a systematic State program aimed at removing voters from its election rolls too close to the Nov. 5 general election, in violation of the National Voter...

www.justice.gov

https://www.justice.gov/crt/media/1371386/dl

 

[dimsum]

The DOJ's version

Justice Department Sues Virginia for Violating Federal Law’s Prohibition on Systematic Efforts to Remove Voters Within 90 Days of an Election

The Justice Department announced today that it has filed a lawsuit against the State of Virginia, Virginia State Board of Elections and Virginia Commissioner of Elections to challenge a systematic state program aimed at removing voters from its election rolls too close to the Nov. 5 general...

www.justice.gov

https://www.justice.gov/crt/media/1373371/dl

The law that the United States contends Virginia is in violation of is not new. It's been on the books since May 1993.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-107/pdf/STATUTE-107-Pg77.pdf

And they are also suing Alabama for the same thing.

Justice Department Sues Alabama for Violating Federal Law’s Prohibition on Systematic Efforts to Remove Voters Within 90 Days of an Election

The Justice Department announced today that it has filed a lawsuit against the State of Alabama and the Alabama Secretary of State to challenge a systematic State program aimed at removing voters from its election rolls too close to the Nov. 5 general election, in violation of the National Voter...

www.justice.gov

https://www.justice.gov/crt/media/1371386/dl

So, if I’m reading this right, the issue is the timing (within 90 days of the election), not so much the removal.

 

[Blackadder1916]

So, if I’m reading this right, the issue is the timing (within 90 days of the election), not so much the removal.

Correct.