US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence

[Halifax Tar]

So let me ask you @fishbone, if you think so little of "post secondary education", where do you draw the line? There are success stories of people who didn't graduate high-school. Should we stop espousing the benefit of finishing high school? There are success stories of people who didn't go past grade 8. Should we stop espousing the benefit of even entering high school? I'll answer for you: more education is always better.

Just some nuance. I think we have to ask our selves what is higher education for ? To me university is most defiantly required for doctors, lawyers, engineers and probably a couple more professions. But really not the amount we have.

I think much of this is from education inflation.

But I think what we need to do its expand colleges, think bring back Teachers and nursing colleges; and curtail what has become an industry around degree production.

Also there seems to be some difficulty for recent graduates to find employment. Now maybe that is as much them making poor choices in degree selection but if there is little employment, outside of university work, perhaps we need to look at if that actually needs to be a degree.

Poor preforming degrees

Here is a google search for you

All in all I see the value in a university degree, very much depending on the degree.. But I think we need to have our youth choose their educational wisely, and we need to recognize that a degree devalues over time, especially if a person isn't continually practicing what their degree was about.

Anyways, I also learned how to use the hyperlink function! I hope it works!

Lastly, Trump won.

In four years we get to have this excitement all over again. And no the sky isn't falling.

 

[lenaitch]

I was born and raised in rural PEI. No cities around to have suburbs, let alone exurbs.

Maybe the difference is I was part of the class system, and you were an outsider, or maybe Ontario is a bit different.

Fair. My experience wasn't in the 'big farm' ag areas like eastern and western parts of southern Ontario and, yes, I wasn't part of the multi-generational demographic.

If the domestic impact of tariff predictions are correct, the farmer, fisher and adjacent employees will all be be impacted equally.

Education, Intelligence, and competency are also not necessarily correlated.

I have met some people who aren’t particularly smart or educated but can put out a ton of work, and I have met intelligent people who struggle with screwing in a lightbulb.

Absolutely. One of the guys I grew up with struggled to finish high school and is probably the most inherently intelligent person I know. On the other hand, I have more post-grad and terminal degrees in my family than one family deserves. Some of them are significantly under employed and a couple I swear struggle to complete some of the most basic of life tasks. When education doesn't get you what you want, it seems more education is the solution. As someone once said, higher education means you more and more about less and less.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

My daughter wanted a Early Childhood Education Degree, till we pointed out that the peak wage she could make after 4 years of university was $27.00 an hour. (and they wonder why they are short people)

 

[Halifax Tar]

My daughter wanted a Early Childhood Education Degree, till we pointed out that the peak wage she could make after 4 years of university was $27.00 an hour. (and they wonder why they are short people)

The problem is that someone cant see making 27$ an hour as being a livable wage. A rough calculation says that she would make 3,024$ monthly after taxes.

Things are either too expensive and need to come down, or employers need to up the ante on wages.

And I do believe this is one of the things Trump one on. The economy and prices.

 

[lenaitch]

But I think what we need to do its expand colleges, think bring back Teachers and nursing colleges; and curtail what has become an industry around degree production.

In Ontario, the community college system was an outgrowth of trade schools. In some cases, it took over trade training from the trades themselves or industry-specific schools. It then became a growth industry and was taken over by 'educational professionals' and turned into 'light universities'. My former police service no longer favours grads from community colleges because they aren't giving them what they want in recruits (don't ask me what that is - I'm not involved, just heard it from those who are).

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Teachers are the coal-face of the education system, but they aren’t the only part of the system.

The teachers/councillors play a huge role, not only being the only part that actually interfaces with the students, but also have a large influence on what is taught day to day. The left bias also applies to the administration of the schools as well. I interact with a lot of parent of school age kids and there is significant concern about what is being taught to the kids. The basic skills that kids need to succeed are withering as the school system is not focusing on them.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

In Ontario, the community college system was an outgrowth of trade schools. In some cases, it took over trade training from the trades themselves or industry-specific schools. It then became a growth industry and was taken over by 'educational professionals' and turned into 'light universities'. My former police service no longer favours grads from community colleges because they aren't giving them what they want in recruits (don't ask me what that is - I'm not involved, just heard it from those who are).

When I went to High school the shop classes were taught by people who had worked in the industry. Now what little shop classes there are in high schools are taught by "professional teachers" who may or may not have a keen interest in the subject and no way to teach what industry wanted. Our high school cafeteria food was all cooked on premise and people who graduated from there were snatched up by restaurants. Same with the welding and automotive trades.
The schools either dropped the trade classes or have a lightweight version (metalwork is basically jewelry making now) because they are expensive to run and we wonder why we are shorts trades people.

 

[Halifax Tar]

That’s like saying that the NCMs in the CAF are the same ilk as the MND, PM, etc.

Teachers are the coal-face of the education system, but they aren’t the only part of the system.

I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that our public school systems, teachers and administrators heavily slant to the left.

And I as well have concerns about my child is being taught.

And my wife is PS VP.

 

[QV]

This last election and the four years leading up to it should be studied in depth. The greatest political come-back in American history.

There was/is a ton of malfeasance, agendas not in public or national interests being pushed, and down right crimes committed by "trusted" institutions.

From the pollsters, to anti-Trumpers, and the establishment, the one common failing in all of them was the failure to read the room.

 

[YZT580]

The problem is that someone cant see making 27$ an hour as being a livable wage. A rough calculation says that she would make 3,024$ monthly after taxes.

Things are either too expensive and need to come down, or employers need to up the ante on wages.

And I do believe this is one of the things Trump one on. The economy and prices.

but how do they do that? In order to pay more than 27 an hour there has to be sufficient cash coming in which means that parents need to pay more for daycare or the government does. Where does that money come from? The obvious answers are taxes or the parent's employer, and so on up the ladder. Finding a solution is like trying to respond to a 7 yr. old's question, why? You know the one where to every answer you give they respond either why or how?

 

[Remius]

but how do they do that? In order to pay more than 27 an hour there has to be sufficient cash coming in which means that parents need to pay more for daycare or the government does. Where does that money come from? The obvious answers are taxes or the parent's employer, and so on up the ladder. Finding a solution is like trying to respond to a 7 yr. old's question, why? You know the one where to every answer you give they respond either why or how?

It’s a supply and demand issue. Low skill low risk jobs will be paid lower wages get paid less given the low requirements for entry, doesn’t mean they are easy jobs or not important. If enough of a demand for that work is needed then wages could increase if numbers are low.

Low skill high risk jobs will pay more.

In the business world it’s dog eat dog for salaries since it is a competitive space and wages can rise because of it. Which is very much based on supply and demand.

 

[IKnowNothing]

My daughter wanted a Early Childhood Education Degree, till we pointed out that the peak wage she could make after 4 years of university was $27.00 an hour. (and they wonder why they are short people)

Did you also point out that if she really wanted to be an ECE she could have done it through college much faster/cheaper, but the added value of the degree would have been for vertical mobility to break through that peak wage and go beyond working as a straight ECE- becoming a specialist/ administrator/ etc?

 

[Kirkhill]

Just some nuance. I think we have to ask our selves what is higher education for ? To me university is most defiantly required for doctors, lawyers, engineers and probably a couple more professions. But really not the amount we have.

I think much of this is from education inflation.

But I think what we need to do its expand colleges, think bring back Teachers and nursing colleges; and curtail what has become an industry around degree production.

Also there seems to be some difficulty for recent graduates to find employment. Now maybe that is as much them making poor choices in degree selection but if there is little employment, outside of university work, perhaps we need to look at if that actually needs to be a degree.

Poor preforming degrees

Here is a google search for you

All in all I see the value in a university degree, very much depending on the degree.. But I think we need to have our youth choose their educational wisely, and we need to recognize that a degree devalues over time, especially if a person isn't continually practicing what their degree was about.

Anyways, I also learned how to use the hyperlink function! I hope it works!

Lastly, Trump won.

In four years we get to have this excitement all over again. And no the sky isn't falling.

My mother graduated at 15 with shorthand and secured a job as personal assistant to the director of the local stamp works making steel parts for ships and trains amongst other things. My father went to work installing pipeline milking machines at 16 before being called up to the army at 18. He returned and became a diesel mechanic through OJT at Lister's. When he went to work for Alfa Laval dairy engineering he got his City and Guilds certification through night school.

We can teach more in less time. People can come out of High School with more useful skills.

On the other hand extending the time people spend in school reduces the number of people looking for work and reduces the unemployment roles. The more people with two PhDs in Anasazi baskets the fewer people show up on the dole. Otherwise they might have to be put into uniform.

 

[The Bread Guy]

When Bernie says Team Democrat's lost their way ....

After Trump Win, Bernie Sanders Blames Democrats for Abandoning Working People

"It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working-class people would find that the working class has abandoned them," Sanders said.

inthesetimes.com

 

[Kirkhill]

The teachers/councillors play a huge role, not only being the only part that actually interfaces with the students, but also have a large influence on what is taught day to day. The left bias also applies to the administration of the schools as well. I interact with a lot of parent of school age kids and there is significant concern about what is being taught to the kids. The basic skills that kids need to succeed are withering as the school system is not focusing on them.

School boards and Parent Teacher Associations used to be community driven. Parents were actively engaged in selecting, monitoring and policing course material, teachers, principals and administrators.

 

[mariomike]

D- Election 2028 features Elon Musk vs. Arnold Schwarzenegger

Arnie would still be younger than Trump.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Arnie would still be younger than Trump.

Both aren't naturally born U.S. Citizens... so no.

 

[daftandbarmy]

When Bernie says Team Democrat's lost their way ....

After Trump Win, Bernie Sanders Blames Democrats for Abandoning Working People

"It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working-class people would find that the working class has abandoned them," Sanders said.

inthesetimes.com

You could argue the same about the NDP.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

You could argue the same about the NDP.

Both the DNC and NDP washed their hands of the working class in favour of the champagne socialists with white guilt.

The number of the latter is infinitely smaller than the former and thus less votes to be had.

 

[mariomike]

Both aren't naturally born U.S. Citizens... so no.

Right.

I quoted the post below.

Guess I should have included the entire thing...

Conspiracy/Prediction-
A- Over the early stages of the term, Musk continues to ingratiate/integrate himself has a key part of the administration
B- Trump, recognizing his age, makes a deal with Musk to frame him as the heir apparent to MAGA, quid pro quo
C- Trump pushes the Republican House/Senate for a constitutional amendment- not for eliminating term limits, but for striking down the "natural born citizen" requirement, replacing it with something like "full citizen, for a period of no less than 25 years at time of inauguration". To get the necessary 2/3's vote they frame the originally wording as xenophobic/racist. Enough Dems take the bait.
D- Election 2028 features Elon Musk vs. Arnold Schwarzenegger (Arnie at the head of a new look centrist democratic party.